some claim that chlorinated water sources ( city water ) play a part in cholesterol levels/problems .
any feedback on this ?
[quote]marlboroman wrote:
some claim that chlorinated water sources ( city water ) play a part in cholesterol levels/problems .
any feedback on this ?[/quote]
Ive heard alot on this. The jury is still out on chlorine, but definitely, without a doubt, we could all go without flouride in our drinking water. Some claim that it can scar arteries amoungst other things.
Easy solution. Drink bottled water. I don’t worry much about xenoestrogens from bottled water because estrogen is an issue that can be reversed.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
There seems to be a tendency to compare low carb diets to high carb/low protein diets and ignore the more balanced approach.
I’m thinking the more usual comparison would be to a high carb/high protein/low fat approach, no?[/quote]
I don’t see that much. I see the high carb/low fat/low protein, the high protein/high fat/low carb and a number of variations on a balanced 40/30/30 approach.
I tend to favor the balanced approach because I like carbs and I have not seen anything really compelling to make me give them up.
I have seen a lot of people in real life and on line that have lost a lot of fat with the AD or Atkins type approach but I have not seen them take the next step into a great physique.
I have a decent physique. I don’t have much fat to lose. An AD type diet would be difficult with my lifestyle.
I would try it if I thought it was healthier or significantly better for my physique but I just don’t enough evidence yet.
That is why I am looking at it with a critical eye.
[quote]vroom wrote:
…Also, keep in mind, before farming, fruits and vegetables were scraggly tough little things, not the big fat irrigated and bug free stuff we get in the supermarket. Hell, it’s like comparing apples to oranges… ;)[/quote]
Bugs are extra protein.
I’m onboard for whatever works Zap. I’m not one to try n talk folks into doing something because I do it. If what you’re doing is giving you the results you’re looking for then it would presumptuous of me to try and convince you to do something else.
My whole point in starting this thread was to simply report that consuming what most would consider astronomical quantities of edible death has not put me on the short list of future cardiac victims.
[quote]marlboroman wrote:
some claim that chlorinated water sources ( city water ) play a part in cholesterol levels/problems .
any feedback on this ?[/quote]
I don’t know anything about this but I do know with the boom in UV disinfection, most municpalities are using far less chlorine.
I still recommend using an activated carbon filter for drinking water. (Brita, etc.)
if you do any reading, ie protein power, atkins, zone, you’ll see that cholesterol is more closely related to high levels of insulin.
low cholesterol is not something one should strive for. There have been plenty of studies done in japan that showed a corelation between suicide , depression, and low cholesterol. There seems to be a bell curve with cholestrol
the optimal range for males is closer to 200. watch, if you keep your saturated fats high and then jack your insulin your numbers will skyrocket.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’m onboard for whatever works Zap. I’m not one to try n talk folks into doing something because I do it. If what you’re doing is giving you the results you’re looking for then it would presumptuous of me to try and convince you to do something else.
My whole point in starting this thread was to simply report that consuming what most would consider astronomical quantities of edible death has not put me on the short list of future cardiac victims.[/quote]
I appreciate you starting the thread and sharing the info.
I am always looking at ways to improve. The AD type eating clearly works pretty well but I am trying to figure if it is a big improvement over what I am doing.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I read somewhere a while back where somebody was postulating the theory that the Apaches became the strong ferocious warriors they were through generations of eating lots of wild game all the time.
Sounds like the manjuice was pumping through those guys pretty hard.[/quote]
Similar stories were said about Ghengis Khans army…who were primarily carnivores as well.
Congrats on the numbers, Tirib. =)
The most poetically ironic thing is that we didn’t have all this dietary disease exterminating large portions of otherwise advanced cultures until processed sugars became widely available in the 20th century.
Now instead of recognizing that, we just eat pills.
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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The most poetically ironic thing is that we didn’t have all this dietary disease exterminating large portions of otherwise advanced cultures until processed sugars became widely available in the 20th century.
Now instead of recognizing that, we just eat pills.[/quote]
It is that simple.
"In the Lyon Diet Heart Study, an experimental group advised to
increase consumption of root vegetables, green vegetables, fish,
fruit, and omega-3 fatty acids also experienced greatly improved
cardiovascular and survival outcomes.
The study was originally
intended to follow the patients for 4 years, but death rates diverged
so dramatically early on that researchers decided it would be
unethical to continue, and called an end to the trial. After an average
follow-up of 27 months, the all-cause death rate of the control
group was more than twice that of the experimental group.
One little-publicized finding from this well-known trial was that the total and LDL cholesterol levels of the treatment and control groups were virtually identical throughout the study. Those
in the treatment group, however, did show significantly higher blood levels of omega-3 fatty acids and antioxidants."
From Anthony Colpo’s “LDL Cholesterol: ?Bad? Cholesterol, or Bad Science?”
Great thread guys. Keep talking so I can keep learning!
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
The most poetically ironic thing is that we didn’t have all this dietary disease exterminating large portions of otherwise advanced cultures until processed sugars became widely available in the 20th century.
Now instead of recognizing that, we just eat pills.
It is that simple.[/quote]
so true, people rely on medications so much now adays its unreal.
[quote]blok wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
The most poetically ironic thing is that we didn’t have all this dietary disease exterminating large portions of otherwise advanced cultures until processed sugars became widely available in the 20th century.
Now instead of recognizing that, we just eat pills.
It is that simple.
so true, people rely on medications so much now adays its unreal. [/quote]
I was watching some show last night on fox news,and they were talking about stocks.
These four guys for some drug company were talking about how much money they made for a cholesterol lowering drug and how they want to sell the most drugs because of people buying the stocks.
I didn’t see one guy talk about how healthy the drug is,nor did I see one guy talk about how wonderful this drug is going to be for the public.
They were saying that all they cared about was selling the most profitable cholesterol lowering drug history-OUT OF THEIR OWN MOUTH ON TV.
It made me sick.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
I was watching some show last night on fox news,and they were talking about stocks.
These four guys for some drug company were talking about how much money they made for a cholesterol lowering drug and how they want to sell the most drugs because of people buying the stocks.
I didn’t see one guy talk about how healthy the drug is,nor did I see one guy talk about how wonderful this drug is going to be for the public.
They were saying that all they cared about was selling the most profitable cholesterol lowering drug history-OUT OF THEIR OWN MOUTH ON TV.
It made me sick.[/quote]
Along those lines, one day I’m going to start an informal survey of drug commercials on cable television. I swear in a 2 hour show, especially news shows, there must be 15 commercials for one kind of drug or another.
Cholesterol, diabetes, acid reflux, ED, insomnia, “restless leg syndrome” (I just saw one of these), the inevitable onslaught of obesity bullshit etc.
My God, on and on and on. Anything in the world other than “how bout if you stop eating poisonous “food” and move around every so often” This nation is turning into a giant medicine cabinet.
Everybody is on meds, it seems.
The problem is the meds aren’t designed to fix anything… they just push one set of symptoms down, in all likelihood hiding or even creating some other problems (susceptibilities).
Whether these other issues exist or are important is either unknown or hidden until people start suffering consequences and the public finally gets informed.
What a scam.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
I was watching some show last night on fox news,and they were talking about stocks.
These four guys for some drug company were talking about how much money they made for a cholesterol lowering drug and how they want to sell the most drugs because of people buying the stocks.
I didn’t see one guy talk about how healthy the drug is,nor did I see one guy talk about how wonderful this drug is going to be for the public.
They were saying that all they cared about was selling the most profitable cholesterol lowering drug history-OUT OF THEIR OWN MOUTH ON TV.
It made me sick.
Along those lines, one day I’m going to start an informal survey of drug commercials on cable television. I swear in a 2 hour show, especially news shows, there must be 15 commercials for one kind of drug or another.
Cholesterol, diabetes, acid reflux, ED, insomnia, “restless leg syndrome” (I just saw one of these), the inevitable onslaught of obesity bullshit etc.
My God, on and on and on. Anything in the world other than “how bout if you stop eating poisonous “food” and move around every so often” This nation is turning into a giant medicine cabinet. [/quote]
I hear ya. It’s insane the amount of drug commercials on t.v. And the best part is most of the time the side effects from the drug they are selling seem worse than the condition they are treating.
My favorite of all time. They were advertising a drug to help people who have anxiety while being in public. A drug to help people be more social. But some of the side effects were flatulence and diarrhea.
Who is going to want to be more social when they have horrible farts and explosive shits? It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Thanks for starting this thread, Tiribulus. I didn’t know home cholesterol tests even existed.
I ran out and grabbed a 2-pack of CholesTrak last night; less than $20, which was a pleasant surprise. Total cholesterol was 126, which was an even more pleasant surprise. Heart disease can kiss my pale Irish butt.
[quote]thomas.galvin wrote:
Thanks for starting this thread, Tiribulus. I didn’t know home cholesterol tests even existed.
I ran out and grabbed a 2-pack of CholesTrak last night; less than $20, which was a pleasant surprise. Total cholesterol was 126, which was an even more pleasant surprise. Heart disease can kiss my pale Irish butt.[/quote]
I found out a couple months ago, but never got around to doing it. Yeah, for 20 bucks you can’t go wrong for 2 tests. If nothing else it proved to me that all the fat phobic propaganda being perpetrated upon the media sheep is open to much further discussion.