[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
The most poetically ironic thing is that we didn’t have all this dietary disease exterminating large portions of otherwise advanced cultures until processed sugars became widely available in the 20th century.
Now instead of recognizing that, we just eat pills.
It is that simple.[/quote]
At bottom it really is.
For you guys who have total cholesterol that’s so low - it’d be advisable to get a breakdown, I bet your HDL is in the toilet. My total was 112 a few years ago - my doctor said that was fantastic. Realizing he only saw the total, I switched doctors.
I also did a breakdown test, my HDL was 19. Below 35 is pretty shitty and dangerous regardless of total.
In short, get a breakdown.
Is anyone else out there finding links between the astronomical cancer rates today and our modern diets? And I’m speaking of skin cancer, colon cancer etc.
Not so much causality but corellation. Smoking is cancer CAUSING, our modern diet seems to ALLOW or promote cancer cell proliferation while not actually causing it.
I think poor dietary habits cause every bad thing from declining testosterone levels to tooth decay to bad skin and even ADD.
I don’t know, just rambling.
[quote]dre wrote:
My favorite of all time. They were advertising a drug to help people who have anxiety while being in public. A drug to help people be more social. But some of the side effects were flatulence and diarrhea.
Who is going to want to be more social when they have horrible farts and explosive shits? It just doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]
HA! Sounds like a SNL comedy skit. The sad thing is there are actually people stupid enough to take this drug.
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
For you guys who have total cholesterol that’s so low - it’d be advisable to get a breakdown, I bet your HDL is in the toilet. My total was 112 a few years ago - my doctor said that was fantastic. Realizing he only saw the total, I switched doctors.
I also did a breakdown test, my HDL was 19. Below 35 is pretty shitty and dangerous regardless of total.
In short, get a breakdown.[/quote]
Everything I’ve read indicates that dangerously low hdl is caused by a lot of the same nutritional issues that contribute to poor health overall with EFA deficiency being right at the top. I seriously doubt that this is a problem for people eating large quantities of EFA’s along with everything else.
I don’t know what you’re situation was, but I have a hard time believing you were eating well and weight training.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
thomas.galvin wrote:
Thanks for starting this thread, Tiribulus. I didn’t know home cholesterol tests even existed.
I ran out and grabbed a 2-pack of CholesTrak last night; less than $20, which was a pleasant surprise. Total cholesterol was 126, which was an even more pleasant surprise. Heart disease can kiss my pale Irish butt.
I found out a couple months ago, but never got around to doing it. Yeah, for 20 bucks you can’t go wrong for 2 tests. If nothing else it proved to me that all the fat phobic propaganda being perpetrated upon the media sheep is open to much further discussion.[/quote]
True.
Every single time I watch the news,there must be about 3-6 drug commercials that come on.
They run the media.
Thats another reason why the news usually puts out complete and utter bullshit.
Thank you for posting this Tribulus.
I’m still amazed every single day how much people comment on eating eggs, while they order a plate of french fries with mayonaise.
Eggs for all. Let’s make a t-shirt.
I would love to see you test your cholesterol numbers after your weekend carb up. like on the end of day two.
since your following the anabolic diet.
im willing to bet that the heightened insulin leves will jack your cholesterol up.
It would be cool to see.
[quote]Leeuwer wrote:
Thank you for posting this Tribulus.
I’m still amazed every single day how much people comment on eating eggs, while they order a plate of french fries with mayonaise.
Eggs for all. Let’s make a t-shirt.[/quote]
“I’m bringing cholesterol back…baby!”
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
dre wrote:
My favorite of all time. They were advertising a drug to help people who have anxiety while being in public. A drug to help people be more social. But some of the side effects were flatulence and diarrhea.
Who is going to want to be more social when they have horrible farts and explosive shits? It just doesn’t make sense to me.
HA! Sounds like a SNL comedy skit. The sad thing is there are actually people stupid enough to take this drug.
[/quote]
It does sound like a SNL skit. Never thought of that. I don’t know if the people who take these drugs are stupid or just ignorant.
Or both!
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
For you guys who have total cholesterol that’s so low - it’d be advisable to get a breakdown, I bet your HDL is in the toilet. My total was 112 a few years ago - my doctor said that was fantastic. Realizing he only saw the total, I switched doctors.
I also did a breakdown test, my HDL was 19. Below 35 is pretty shitty and dangerous regardless of total.
In short, get a breakdown.[/quote]
That’s not a bad idea, at all. I would be curious to see the effect all this fish oil I’m swallowing has on my HDL levels.
I wish I’d gotten a baseline reading before I started getting in shape. C’est la vie; it’d be nice to know how far I’ve come.
[quote]derek wrote:
Is anyone else out there finding links between the astronomical cancer rates today and our modern diets? And I’m speaking of skin cancer, colon cancer etc.[/quote]
A lot of the old school Japanese sensei decry modern American eating habits for just this reason.
Add to that obesity, heart disease, diabetes… I’m amazed we’re still alive. We’re sucking down sugar coated, deep fried death.
Just look back even as little as a few hundred years in history. The cultures with the biggest consumption of protein are usually the biggest people(like the regions in europe like the Germans/Finnish/Welsh), just like the cultures with low protein intake are smaller(like regions in asia and native island people)
Evolution happens alot faster than one would think.
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I read somewhere a while back where somebody was postulating the theory that the Apaches became the strong ferocious warriors they were through generations of eating lots of wild game all the time.
Sounds like the manjuice was pumping through those guys pretty hard.
Similar stories were said about Ghengis Khans army…who were primarily carnivores as well.
Congrats on the numbers, Tirib. =)[/quote]
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
I would love to see you test your cholesterol numbers after your weekend carb up. like on the end of day two.
since your following the anabolic diet.
im willing to bet that the heightened insulin leves will jack your cholesterol up.
It would be cool to see.[/quote]
This is a HUGE topic which isn’t going to be completely settled in any bodybuilding forum. However 2 inescapable facts have emerged to my satisfaction since my embarking on the AD as a total lifestyle.
1> Eating mountains of fat has NOT gotten me fat.
2> Eating mountains of cholesterol laden food has NOT given me high cholesterol.
The science regarding the relationship between saturated fat/dietary cholesterol/cancer/heart disease etc is in a constant state of debatable flux at very best with most of the research being funded by companies who have everything to lose by any findings that contradict their historically indefensible dogma.
I’ve read some of them where they flatly state that even though the results show no direct correlation between even high levels of serum cholesterol and cardiac morbidity they stand by their recommendations basically because it’s what;s been recommended.
I wasn’t going to get into this amount of detail, but I don’t even believe high serum cholesterol alone has anything to do with heart disease. I just started this thread to report that mine hadn’t risen above the prescribed levels despite doing the diametric opposite of what we’re being beaten over the head with.
If they are that wrong about that what else are they that wrong about? Make no mistake friend people will sell the souls of their own children for money and too many people have too much to gain by making sure that not too many people ever really get too well.
The voices of dissent don’t have the billions to fund research with people who’ll just report the findings and if they did they’d probably be corrupted in short order as well.
I’m betting my life and my family,s lives on history. People ate what we eat for millennia and it took plagues and wars to kill the per capita numbers of them as todays dietary recommendations and bullshit drugs and therapies.
Medical science has done much good and I would never discount it wholesale, but does anybody really believe they are going to promote information that would slash their profits practically overnight if anybody actually did it?
Just picked up my lab results from a hospital blood/urine test. I’ve been on the AD for three months now. I also have lab results from the same hospital taken in January when I was on a clean (high protein, moderate carb) diet. I’m 41 and work out six days a week.
Before-AD Lab Results (1/26/06)
Triglycerides: 48 mg/dL
Cholesterol: 151 mg/dL
HDL: 53 mg/dL
Tot Cholesterol/HDL: 2.9
Glucose: 91 mg/dL
Ketones: 0 mg/dL
AD Diet Lab Results (12/14/06)
Triglycerides: 50 mg/dL
Cholesterol: 190 mg/dL
HDL : 65 mg/dL
Tot Cholesterol/HDL: 2.9
Glucose: 82 mg/dL
Ketones: 80 mg/dL (0-5 normal)
While my total cholesterol number is higher, I don’t see anything to worry about. Interesting to note the ketones.
[quote]TigerJim wrote:
Just picked up my lab results from a hospital blood/urine test. I’ve been on the AD for three months now. I also have lab results from the same hospital taken in January when I was on a clean (high protein, moderate carb) diet. I’m 41 and work out six days a week.
Before-AD Lab Results (1/26/06)
Triglycerides: 48 mg/dL
Cholesterol: 151 mg/dL
HDL: 53 mg/dL
Tot Cholesterol/HDL: 2.9
Glucose: 91 mg/dL
Ketones: 0 mg/dL
AD Diet Lab Results (12/14/06)
Triglycerides: 50 mg/dL
Cholesterol: 190 mg/dL
HDL : 65 mg/dL
Tot Cholesterol/HDL: 2.9
Glucose: 82 mg/dL
Ketones: 80 mg/dL (0-5 normal)
While my total cholesterol number is higher, I don’t see anything to worry about. Interesting to note the ketones.[/quote]
Everybody’s different and assuming a healthy active lifestyle genetics play the single greatest role in how all this effects people.
A careful read of studies for the past 30 years reveals oversimplistic analysis and a gross reliance on incestuous data where alleged researchers quote the conclusions of other researchers rather than reaching their own by analyzing the same data independently.
I really believe 100 years from now this era will be looked upon as the dark ages of cardio vascular health. Truth is we don’t know shit about why these things happen compared to what is claimed and the incessant reliance of non sequiturial reasoning is disgraceful for a discipline touting itself as the saviors of mankind.
If A is present and B occurs, A must be the cause of B ain’t cuttin it for something this important especially when B occurs regularly whether A is present or not. All the statistical weighting voodoo is even worse.
The honest answer is, healthy, active individuals who eat very little processed food and don’t smoke have many fewer heart attacks than overweight, sedentary, junk food eaters who do and beyond that we have conclusive knowledge of very little.
[quote]derek wrote:
Thanks for the back-up guys!
All this is why (IMO) fish oil lowers cholesterol levels… It decreases inflamation therefore decreasing the need for cholesterol "band-aids in the first place.
And that’s where the medical field should be throwing money toward. The problem is, that there’s not billions to be made by reducing inflamation when fish oil, Flameout etc. is so cheap.
Big Pharma makes too damn much money selling you shit that gets rid of your band-aid issue.
They’re either stupid or evil, Your guess. [/quote]
Most drug companies make their living off selling “band-aids” and similar type of remedies. Think about it, by the time you need to go to the doctor or need a prescription the damage is already done.
I also eat anywhere from a dozen eggs or more, and a 1 lb. of meat per DAY. and have no problems as well.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
I would love to see you test your cholesterol numbers after your weekend carb up. like on the end of day two.
since your following the anabolic diet.
im willing to bet that the heightened insulin leves will jack your cholesterol up.
It would be cool to see.
This is a HUGE topic which isn’t going to be completely settled in any bodybuilding forum. However 2 inescapable facts have emerged to my satisfaction since my embarking on the AD as a total lifestyle.
1> Eating mountains of fat has NOT gotten me fat.
2> Eating mountains of cholesterol laden food has NOT given me high cholesterol.
The science regarding the relationship between saturated fat/dietary cholesterol/cancer/heart disease etc is in a constant state of debatable flux at very best with most of the research being funded by companies who have everything to lose by any findings that contradict their historically indefensible dogma.
I’ve read some of them where they flatly state that even though the results show no direct correlation between even high levels of serum cholesterol and cardiac morbidity they stand by their recommendations basically because it’s what;s been recommended.
I wasn’t going to get into this amount of detail, but I don’t even believe high serum cholesterol alone has anything to do with heart disease. I just started this thread to report that mine hadn’t risen above the prescribed levels despite doing the diametric opposite of what we’re being beaten over the head with.
If they are that wrong about that what else are they that wrong about? Make no mistake friend people will sell the souls of their own children for money and too many people have too much to gain by making sure that not too many people ever really get too well.
The voices of dissent don’t have the billions to fund research with people who’ll just report the findings and if they did they’d probably be corrupted in short order as well.
I’m betting my life and my family,s lives on history. People ate what we eat for millennia and it took plagues and wars to kill the per capita numbers of them as todays dietary recommendations and bullshit drugs and therapies.
Medical science has done much good and I would never discount it wholesale, but does anybody really believe they are going to promote information that would slash their profits practically overnight if anybody actually did it?[/quote]
Like I said in an earlier post, INSULIN levels are more closely related to hi cholesterol. Their have been plenty of books and studies showing that their is no corelation between dietary cholesterol and high cholesterol, unless their is also an elevated insulin level. It seems that high insulin levels effect the membranes of teh cell.
my original point was to see what your numbers would be after the carb ups, ie elevated insulin levels. even pasquale says the triglycerides go up on carb days.
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
my original point was to see what your numbers would be after the carb ups, ie elevated insulin levels. even pasquale says the triglycerides go up on carb days.[/quote]
Fair enough, my sermons were inspired by what you reminded me of more than directed at you anyway. Next time I test I’ll do it on Sunday night. Also I have no doubt that elevated insulin coupled with decreased sensitivity brought on by the gluttonous consumption of refined processed foods will turn out to be the nucleus around which much if not most of this modern sickliness revolves.
Along those lines I’m also a type 2 diabetic with totally normal glucose control BTW, which is a related, but still other discussion.
“I swear in a 2 hour show, especially news shows, there must be 15 commercials for one kind of drug or another.”
hmmmmm…
could it be possible that the companies that own the News medias are in any way related to the companies that own the drug companies ??
maybe one in the same ?
naw…couldnt be