Ok, I’m in my 5th month on the Anabolic Diet during which time I’ve eaten 12- 15 whole eggs, 3/4 of a pound of ground beef, a quarter cup of real butter and 8 ounces of regular cheddar and monterey jack cheese EVERY SINGLE DAY, well 5 days a week
I did some research because I don’t trust anybody who’s hand is out for my money at face value and found out by all accounts that the Cholestrak home cholesterol testing kit is considered to be very accurate for total cholesterol levels when used as directed.
I’ve been testing myself for glucose for a while now and have some idea of how these types of things are done so didn’t think that would be a problem. I ran up to CVS and bought a package of these.
Long story short my total cholesterol read 118 on the first test which I repeated because not even I could believe it was really that low. Second test (there’s 2 in the box) 121.
So either I’m a genetic miracle who should donate his body to science so that the study of my exceptional anatomy can be used to save millions of lives or at least some significant slice of the population DOES NOT HAVE THEIR DAMN SERUM LEVELS RISE DANGEROUSLY BECAUSE OF DIETARY INTAKE.
That’s 3 to 5 GRAMS… GRAMS… GRAMS a day and mine is good for a perfectly healthy and well fed 10 year old.
The ldl/hdl etc. breakdown is almost certainly meaningless with levels this low.
So the debate is over FOR ME. I’m not suggesting that anybody else should construe what I’m saying as anything more than what it says. Don’t rely on anybody else for this kinda thing test yourself or have yourself tested. .
The debate on this has been over for me for a long time now. I have very similar experiences to yours. I eat LC 95% of the time, and while I may not exactly mirror your food intake, I must say I’ve been pretty close, LOL.
What I mean is I eat upwards of 8-12 eggs a day, butter, fatty meats etc. etc. all the time. My cholesterol has NEVER been a problem, and in fact, good and bad numbers, overall etc. are far better than when I ate “low fat” x amount of years ago.
Though my numbers aren’t THAT low, when I eat low- (or near-zero) carb 5 days a week my cholesterol numbers are usually great. My total is usually around 200, but that’s only because my HDL is so freaking high (I think it was 91 last time I checked!), mainly due to taking lots of fish oil, which has also kept my triglycerides very low.
However, the high saturated fat thing does have its downsides – risk of several types of cancer, notably colon and prostate cancer, are said to be increased by eating red meat, pork, saturated fat, etc.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
What were your starting numbers?
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I don’t know, but what difference does it make to this discussion? People are terrified, especially of egg yolks, and I’ve eaten upwards of a couple thousand of em since August and serum cholesterol is spectacularly good.
In fact I have a hunch in our lifetime we’ll learn that it was BECAUSE of eating like I do that it is this good.
I do eat lots of fish oils, flax meal, fiber and EVOO which I’m sure isn’t hurting, but that’s the point.
These studies are never done on active healthy individuals which I barely even qualify for being that less than a year ago I was way overweight, had glucose levels off the charts and blood pressure that would kill a buffalo.
I stand by what I’ve said a hundred times. An otherwise healthy individual probably has nothing to fear from anything like sane dietary levels of any kind of meaty, fatty, cholesterol ridden manfood.
If it means anything to you my mother who has been under a doctor’s care for as long as I can remember and is a walking pharmacy with all the meds she’s on, eats like a bird and she’s in a constant struggle with her cholesterol, blood sugar, blood pressure and a bunch of other shit.
Everyone, the general public, the government, all the health organizations, they’ve all been sold a bill of goods due to outdated conclusions based on simple correlations…
And, funny in an obscene way, they are killing tons of people by missing the ball so badly.
Everyone, the general public, the government, all the health organizations, they’ve all been sold a bill of goods due to outdated conclusions based on simple correlations…
And, funny in an obscene way, they are killing tons of people by missing the ball so badly.[/quote]
It is kinda of funny in a really screwed up sort of way. Just like the fact that my own doctor, who I have blood work done with at least once per year, STILL does not believe my general overall health and fitness level when I tell him how I eat.
Or, the fact that the media, public, FDA, and god knows who else, still touts a low fat, high carb whatever protein diet as the best way to not only lose, but maintain over health, etc.
I’ll just keep on destroying my health by eating whole eggs, butter, fatty meats and whole raw milk while the rest of the world does whatever they are told is best for them.
It’s kind of sad because I see all of these drug commercials on tv talking about lowering your cholesterol.
Their drugs are probably one of the BIGGEST money-making scams in history.
They say,“Cholesterol comes from to main sources:Your food,and your parents.”
They forget that not everything is hereditary.
Habits are also picked up by your friends,family members,and cousins in life.
They also fail to distinguish between TRANS FAT,which we know is what’s really causing heart disease and high cholesterol,and SATURATED FAT.
Their drugs even say that they won’t prevent heart disease,but yet thats one reason why people lower their cholesterol!
My friends know me as “egg boy” because I eat so many eggs.
They all ask me about my cholesterol,but little do they know that eggs actually lower your cholesterol.
Sad how people will believe what they’re told. It’s almost as if people these days need a doctor to make choices for themselves because they’re so stupid. Even when it even comes to nutrition because,since they have a PHD and are much,much smarter, they have the right to tell you what to eat since their level of intelligence is alien-like.
I knew my blood pressure and aerobic capacity were back to being really good, but this is icing on the cake.
My cynicism regarding the medical establishment was sufficient enough for me to gamble with my health and maybe my life by extreme defiance of the most conventional of dietary wisdom with my eating habits.
It’s quite satisfying on one hand and sad on the other to demonstrate for myself how completely wrong they are once again.
I’m not suggesting the world should start drinking lard shakes, but clearly the notion that eating natural, traditional foods leads conclusively to disease and death is oversimplified at the very least.
[quote]realpeanutbutter wrote:
<<<Nothing beats the feeling of rolling up to the grocery counter with 4 dozen eggs. Check out guy says “that’s a lot of eggs.”>>>
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How bout 12 dozen eggs, 20 pounds of beef and 4 pounds of butter?
They look at you like “why don’t you just blow your brains out, it’d be quicker”.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
What were your starting numbers?
I don’t know, but what difference does it make to this discussion? People are terrified, especially of egg yolks, and I’ve eaten upwards of a couple thousand of em since August and serum cholesterol is spectacularly good.
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Starting numbers are needed to draw any meaningful conclusion.
Back when I tested at 113 I was eating a high everything diet. Lots of fat, eggs, bacon and carbs.
Some people claim low carb high fat diets lower cholesterol.
Tradition has it that high cholesterol diets raise serum cholesterol.
I think it is far more complicated than either of these two opposite stances.
This is anecdotal, so nothing useful, but when I worked in the blood testing industry they were giving away free tests where I worked once.
Being a sedentary computer guy, at the time, I knew it would be bad, especially eating at BK once or twice a week, and elsewhere every other day, during lunch.
I had the highest numbers in the company… in my early twenties! Nowadays, exercise and real food have my doctor saying “perfect” whenever he looks at my numbers.
I think you nailed it there. A year and a half ago my cholesterol was 190. Then I started to work out and eat real food–bam, cholesterol dropped over 50 points. I was easily eating more saturated fat and cholesterol, and I told my doctor that. I wish I could’ve seen his face when he got the results.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Starting numbers are needed to draw any meaningful conclusion.
Back when I tested at 113 I was eating a high everything diet. Lots of fat, eggs, bacon and carbs.
Some people claim low carb high fat diets lower cholesterol.
Tradition has it that high cholesterol diets raise serum cholesterol.
I think it is far more complicated than either of these two opposite stances.[/quote]
No doubt about it. That’s the only point I’m making concretely. For people to keep saying that eating cholesterol is ipso facto dangerous is at the very least a reactomatic oversimplification.
For people to keep saying that if you eat very much cholesterol your levels will skyrocket is patently false at least some of the time. I’m 42 years old and it has not done that to me despite my consuming amounts that would make an average corporate FDA whore spontaneously shit his pants just hearing it.
There are other guys here saying the same thing and there are websites captained by some very lettered people who also corroborate this. http://www.thincs.org/ check the mountain of info there for instance some undoubtedly more reliable than others.
I’m just tired up to here of hearing about how foods that have been consumed for centuries are killing people when the evidence is that the #&$@# drugs they put these people on are far more dangerous than traditional foods if they’re dangerous at all to anybody.
It’s pathetic. The answer to every health issue is to give some drug company your money and stop eating what people have been eating since the dawn of humanity.
It’s kind of sad because I see all of these drug commercials on tv talking about lowering your cholesterol.
Their drugs are probably one of the BIGGEST money-making scams in history.
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Not quite THE biggest scam, but only part of THE BIGGEST SCAM. First they get you on their cholesterol lowering drug($$$$)and a low fat diet. Dietary fats and cholesterol are necessary for the production of hormones, like TESTOSTERONE. So now you have another problem called ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION.
Now you need the little blue pill, Viagara ( more$$$$$$). That’s how you double your profits, if you’re a drug company.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
<<< It’s almost as if people these days need a doctor to make choices for themselves because they’re so stupid. >>>[/quote]
I don’t know if people are stupid so much as they’re intellectually lazy which leads to trust based on convenience.
Who doesn’t want to think that a huge bureaucracy funded by their own legally stolen money isn’t going to at least tell them the truth about something as basic as their health.
I just had my bloodwork done about a month ago. My cholesterol numbers came back as excellent. So did my glucose and sodium, not to mention all of my electrolytes, and cell counts.
I eat anywhere from 21 to 30 something large eggs per week. I also eat tuna probably 3 times a week.
I eat at least 8 ounces of red meat every single day, sometimes double that. Thats not including at least a pound or two of bacon per week.
I also eat alot of fats like butter, peanutbutter and lots, and I mean lots, of cheese. I go threw a whole bottle of olive oil in a week.
This is how our body is designed to eat. We are meat heavy omnivores, meaning at least half, if not more like 75 percent, of our daily intake of food for thousands of years was some type of live game.
