i think that leben might be brought back
due to his personality and if he get his
head straight he really ought to be good. i didnt catch the video that earlier post was talking about, but the best kicker (kickboxing) i ever saw was
Bill “superfoot” wallace.had one destroyed knee and learned to kick with
other leg. can place 4-6 well placed kicks in excess of 60 mph. he fought middleweight and was undefeated(retired)
Barton
“Superfoot” went to Thailand and got his ASS kicked. I’m not disrespecting American Kickboxers, but no one from America is even in the same league as the Thais. If he’s the best you ever saw you ain’t seen nothing yet.
Oh, and about Crocop. Now THAT is what a thai kick should look like. It is a beautiful thing to watch him kick, his form is so much better than any other striker I have seen in MMA.
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/./1/.1109913296467.fighters_f03.jpg
Cap’nsalty
Chuck liddell is a kickboxer, and he is amazing in UFC and PRIDE FC. I don’t see where you are coming from!!
I have to agree with you that Mirko “CRO COP” is one of the best fighters I have seen, I mean he destroyed Mark Coleman. Coleman said “he is the best fighter I have ever faced”
PRIDE FC== longer rounds than UFC 10 min first, 5 min second
pride FC is more violent, just a bit.
I personally love to see fights stay standing, It much more exciting and there is more likely to be a knock out, Thants why I love kickboxers, but I have alot of respect of every other MMA.
T-nationman
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
Oh, and about Crocop. Now THAT is what a thai kick should look like. It is a beautiful thing to watch him kick, his form is so much better than any other striker I have seen in MMA.[/quote]
powerful, yes. but sometimes he gets a little loose with it. i think people just fear it cause its “cro cop” throwin those tree trunks around. Reputation is his best weapon by far.
[quote]UB07 wrote:
cap’nsalty wrote:
Oh, and about Crocop. Now THAT is what a thai kick should look like. It is a beautiful thing to watch him kick, his form is so much better than any other striker I have seen in MMA.
powerful, yes. but sometimes he gets a little loose with it. i think people just fear it cause its “cro cop” throwin those tree trunks around. Reputation is his best weapon by far.[/quote]
Ahhh, Grasshopper. How did Cro-cop get that reputation? That’s right. By knocking people the fuck out with his left leg. I agree that sometimes he gets overconfident (like in his Kanehara match), but fighters respect his abilities for a very good reason.
I’m not saying his form is perfect, but it’s far better than most. Compare what his kick looks like compared to almost any other MMA fighter. You don’t even have to know that much about kicks to see that his mechanics are superior. It was just irritating to me to see how butchered the thai kick is in most MMA fights.
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Ps Sakuraba’s double downward chop while you’re in your opponents guard works like a CHARM.
Used it the other night…fucking wonderful.[/quote]
You are braver than me, Xen. I always made it a point not to emulate anything that Sakuraba did for fear of ending up in some pretzel-like position, choking myself, and forcing my own tapout. Nothing like a flying, inverted, rear-naked, double hexahedron choke from three feet away…
On a totally unrelated note, I watched the Butterbean vs. Genki Sudo match for the first time last night. I was predicting Butterbean by flying armbar. Too bad…
~Terumo
[quote]Terumo wrote:
Hence, a fighter gets points for what we call “lay n’ pray.” Under Pride rules, both rounds of Leben-Koscheck would have been scored 10-10.[/quote]
Hey Terumo,
Pride rules judge the fight as a whole, not based on rounds. Who ever is working hardest to end the fight gets the decision, not who scores the most points.
As far a Mirco goes, he is awsome. he’s the only K-1 fighter to do anything in Pride. Leko needs to go back home, he just doesn’t have it.
Mirco also works for a counter-terorism squad and just ran for Mayor (or something) in Croatia.
la’
Redsol1
I think they may be bringing back Christopher, the guy who got kicked off before the fighting began due to his being out of shape. In the previews it showed him fighting with no headgear on. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
[quote]Massif wrote:
UB07 wrote:
cap’nsalty wrote:
Oh, and about Crocop. Now THAT is what a thai kick should look like. It is a beautiful thing to watch him kick, his form is so much better than any other striker I have seen in MMA.
powerful, yes. but sometimes he gets a little loose with it. i think people just fear it cause its “cro cop” throwin those tree trunks around. Reputation is his best weapon by far.
Ahhh, Grasshopper. How did Cro-cop get that reputation? That’s right. By knocking people the fuck out with his left leg. I agree that sometimes he gets overconfident (like in his Kanehara match), but fighters respect his abilities for a very good reason.
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no doubt he is awesome, but his kicks are amazing because they are powerful and quick, not necessarily picture perfect. sure he’d kill me and any one on this board, but im just sayin its that brute force that does it for him.
[quote]redsol1 wrote:
Hey Terumo,
Pride rules judge the fight as a whole, not based on rounds. Who ever is working hardest to end the fight gets the decision, not who scores the most points. [/quote]
You are very right, and I apparently had a moment of youthful senility. I forgot that Pride abolished the ten-point must system, which I find to be quite appropriate considering the minimal rounds. In a sport such as boxing, where there may be 8, 10, 12 rounds, the ten-point must makes a bit more sense.
Is it just me, or do you guys think Pride has a significantly better rules system than UFC? The only things I think that UFC has over Pride are that 1)They have UFC here in the States, 2)UFC allows elbows on the ground, and 3)UFC doesn’t allow ground stomps. I usually don’t say, “Hey, that is too violent/dangerous/etc.” for any MMA event, but I find that stomps demonstrate brutality more than skill. Either you get lucky and land one clean, or you don’t. Soccer kicks, however, I don’t mind.
Just my two grams…
~Terumo
[quote]Terumo wrote:
redsol1 wrote:
Hey Terumo,
Pride rules judge the fight as a whole, not based on rounds. Who ever is working hardest to end the fight gets the decision, not who scores the most points.
You are very right, and I apparently had a moment of youthful senility. I forgot that Pride abolished the ten-point must system, which I find to be quite appropriate considering the minimal rounds. In a sport such as boxing, where there may be 8, 10, 12 rounds, the ten-point must makes a bit more sense.
Is it just me, or do you guys think Pride has a significantly better rules system than UFC? The only things I think that UFC has over Pride are that 1)They have UFC here in the States, 2)UFC allows elbows on the ground, and 3)UFC doesn’t allow ground stomps. I usually don’t say, “Hey, that is too violent/dangerous/etc.” for any MMA event, but I find that stomps demonstrate brutality more than skill. Either you get lucky and land one clean, or you don’t. Soccer kicks, however, I don’t mind.
Just my two grams…
~Terumo[/quote]
No big deal Terumo!
Yea, I agree that Pride has a better rules system. Pride does allow 4 point attacks while on the ground, but only if the fighters are within 15kg (or is it 10??) of each other. I typicaly don’t watch UFC fights because I find them terrably boreing. I enjoy the technique involved in a good, active ground game but i find too many UFC fights end up with one fighter pinned against the cage adn it just stays there.
La’
Redsol1
[quote]redsol1 wrote:
…Pride does allow 4 point attacks while on the ground, but only if the fighters are within 15kg (or is it 10??) of each other…[/quote]
Yep. The lighter fighter actually gets to decide whether to allow these attacks in a situation of weight discrepency.
I’d love to see Pride come to the US. They actually got approved by the Nevada Athletic Commission, but it will be a little while (2006 or 2007, I believe), and they aren’t going to allow soccer kicks. Kinda weak, but I’ll still order it. I just hope that annoying woman doesn’t do the fighter intros.
~Terumo
I don’t like the cage at all.
can’t wait to see if there’s a leban/koscheck rematch!
Wow. Can you say, “Owned?” I knew you could. I will give Rafferty props for having the balls to challenge a guy that has never been defeated.
As for the Leben comeback… I just laughed, and I laughed hard. I really figured that Dana or Randy would choose who would come back, and in fairness, I figured it would be one of the guys (Christopher or Jason) who were not eliminated in the cage. However, Leben is certainly a more suitable replacement for Quarry.
I am beginning to like Team Liddell. I think that the all the guys in the house, even Southworth and Koscheck, are probably good guys (although pretty immature) that are being painted as “heels” by the producers. Does anyone else think that they are trying to paint Team Couture as the “good guys” and Team Liddell as the “bad guys?” Maybe it is the quasi-Satanic look that Liddell has working for him…
I have determined that Diego Sanchez is a complete nutball, but damn, that guy can throw-down. Try to imagine yourself locked in a house with people like Diego, Forrest, Hoger, and the Leben-Koscheck complex. Then, imagine having no television or electronic luxury. Now, imagine trying to keep your sanity.
All-in-all, pretty good show. Weak fight, though.
~Terumo
wtf is dana’s problem? I’m no southworth fan (is anyone?) but jeez, the guy lost he doesnt need some pseudo-parental talk - and yeah, it is a pep talk. I definitely thought dana overreacted.
dude, dana is the boss. I wouldn’t say something like that to someone that signs the paychecks and hands out the contracts.
How did the fight go last night?