[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Sifu wrote:
They have also shown the slam in slow motion on TV from a camera that was at mat level and viewing it from the side. Even then tthe commentaters saying look how this slam knocks him out while completely ignoring the vicsious follow up that Rampage nailed him with a split second later.
Here is a clearer video. It’s hard to see because it all happens in one second at 9:00 and 9:18-:23 on this tape so I’ll tell you what to look for.
In the slow motion video that I saw you can see that Arona’s eyes are wide open as his head ricochetes up off of the mat and he looks conscious. More importantly you can see that as Arona’s head is bouncing upwards he is staring at Rampage who is still hurtling downwards with all his body mass being pulled by Arona and the momentum of the slam with an evil grimmace on his face because Rampage is about to headbutt Arona’s head through the canvas. The flying headbutt which also caused a second impact with the mat was what closed Arona’s eyes.
If you need further evidence of the headbutt all you need to do is look at the part of Rampage’s forehead that he hit Arona with because Rampage’s right eye was split wide open. If you look at 8:06-8:10 after the fight you can see Rampage holding his hand to his head like he got rocked too.
If you look Rampage today you can see he still has a scar that runs through his right eyebrow from that headbutt.
I’m not doubting the headbutt afterwards. But the trauma to the head from a flying headbutt would still be less than the trauma from the initial slam, not to mention that the initial slam causes trauma to the back of the head, which is much more potentially harmful.
Consider that most fatalities in fights occur not due to the initial KO blow, but to the victim hitting their head on the ground after being KO’d.
Again, they actually measured the forces involved, and a flying headbutt isn’t even close to having your head slammed into the ground.
Here, watch these:
Body slam:
I’ve seeen that sports science episode with Rampage before, it doesn’t change what I said. If you watch how the test dummy was slammed down it landed on the back of the head first on a surface that didn’t have any spring to it. So of course it is going to give a high level of force on the head. If you watch how Arona was slammed however you will see that the middle of his back landed first taking the brunt of the force with his head being the last to hit against a surface that was springy enough for his head to bounce back up. Arona also was flexed so that his musculature absorbed some of that as well.
That head butt was full force AND it drove the back of Arona’s head into the mat.
Full speed running headbutt:
Here’s another interesting one (slightly off topic, but gives you some idea just how hard the slam was):
And here’s one of the world’s best headbutter, still less force than the slam:
That jumping head butt where the soccer player hurt himself was nowhere near the force Rampage hit Arona with.
If you think Craig Pumfhrey breaking eight cement blocks with his head is the worlds best headbutter I have news for you, compared to what I have seen he aint shit! There are two ways to do Tameshiwara, the easy way like in that video and the hard way like the Isshinryu people do it. Here is the difference.
The easy uses spacers between each block so that all you have to do is hit the top block hard enough to break the top block and have it slam into the one below hard enough to continue like dominoes. The easy way you break from top to bottom.
The hard way you don’t use spacers, you stack the blocks one on top of the other so that they are a solid mass. In order to break a stack like that, you have to send your blow all the way through the stack and break the bottom one first followed by the second from the bottom then the third etc… The hard way you break from the bottom up.
The most impressive headbutt break I have ever seen was performed by a master named Randy Mosier. For his break we stacked rectangular cement paver blocks two feet tall with no spacers. He didn’t use a pad, kiai or any other bullshit. He just walked up to the stack, looked at it real mean for a moment, then blam! He busted the whole stack in one try with his head. I’ve seen similar stacks broken with hammer fist or heel stomp but he is the only person I have seen do it with their head. Sensei Mosier was in whole other league from Craig Pumphrey.
Headbutt can be a really devastating blow.
does any of this matter in a thread about TUF 10? Seriously…who cares at this point. You’re getting away from what was originally pointed out: Rampage’s (then)power to slam people at will. Just saying. [/quote]
Good point. Sorry for the hijack fellas (and ladies).
