I am a GSP fan. He is one of the few fighters in the UFC that I think is something special.
That fight should have gone beyond 3 rounds. The way it stands, Penn picked him apart in stand-up, and although they traded jabs, Penn was unfazed. GSP had his takedowns, and then did nothing with them. Outside of a nice elbow when Penn was losing his omo plata, GSP was totally ineffective in Penn’s guard. Penn neutralized GSP’s knees against the fence, making that portion of the fight ridiculous to consider in giving GSP the decision.
Damage Penn. Intent to finish fight can be argued, but what stands out to me are Penn’s strikes and sub attempts, and GSP’s kicks. He did nothing with his takedowns, and I think it’s shit he won the fight for them. I will be rooting for GSP against Hughes, but this fight reminds me of Arona-Silva 2, except with sub attempts by Penn.
Check out The Fight Network as they are currently airing post fight interviews from this past Saturday’s UFC show with Rich Franklin, Georges St. Pierre, B.J Penn, Mark Hominick, Sam Stout and Spencer Fisher. It’s airing all week.
The BJ/GSP fight was bullshit. Penn won that fight by virtue of more damage incurred. If it had gone on longer, he would have found a way to win, but you can’t fault the judges. It was akin in my mind to the Hopkins-Taylor fights, in which Bernard did more damage, but Taylor won more rounds.
NOT what ultimate fighting should be about. They should get rid of rounds altogether, and go back to just having a time limit.
I was wondering if you caught UFC All-Access on Spike TV featuring Rich Franklin. If you did, what did you think of his lifting regimine? How would you personally train Rich? [/quote]
Man, I wish I could’ve caught that. But I simply don’t watch regular TV.
If a similar showing is coming up, let me know in advance so I can be sure to tune in.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
zdrax wrote:
Hey Chad -
I was wondering if you caught UFC All-Access on Spike TV featuring Rich Franklin. If you did, what did you think of his lifting regimine? How would you personally train Rich?
The guy uses all machines, despite supposedly being trained by a PLer at a hardcore gym. Also, he supposedly trains for an hour straight without resting. That’s great for endurance, but he should be doing some interval work, too. And what he should REALLY be doing is multiple high rep sets of squats, not the leg press and leg extension machine.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve seen the regimens of many star athletes and it’s evident that their genes got them to the top.
As for Franklin’s regimen, I think it’s hard to tell. I know many coaches who - when the camera is rolling - show some pretty crappy exercises in an effort to not divulge their secrets. Strange, but true. I’d be interested to see how Frankin trains, though.
Franklin hits hard, and he rarely gasses, so he must be doing something right.
[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
zdrax wrote:
Hey Chad -
I was wondering if you caught UFC All-Access on Spike TV featuring Rich Franklin. If you did, what did you think of his lifting regimine? How would you personally train Rich?
Man, I wish I could’ve caught that. But I simply don’t watch regular TV.
If a similar showing is coming up, let me know in advance so I can be sure to tune in. [/quote]
I saw the show and enjoyed it (the hostess was hot!) but wished they would’ve showed more of his actual training.
They showed a few clips of him lifting, using various machines and running on the treadmill and that was it.
Sounds like an intense workout but you have to wonder how long he can keep that kind of pace up before he burns out (1 hour straight w/ no rest)?
I would like to see him get away from using so many machines and pair down his workouts to more explosive/compound lifts, personally. But, you can’t argue with success and if that program works for Franklin, then good for him.
““I’ve never heard of Penn testing positive for steroids in Japan. Feel free to enlighten me with a link, google has nothing.””
that is because it never happened, bj was stripped because he went and fought in an event in japan and this pissed off the UFC since he was under contract with them
I train at the Powerstation Gym where Rich lifts. What you saw on the show was not a bullshit workout. That literally is what he does day to day. The exercises change, but the theme is the same.
He does not use only machines as was stated in another post either. Probably 40% of the exercises are free weight or body weight in nature. Machines make up the rest of “circuit”, but this gym has so many different pieces available it would boggle your mind. The machines allow him to jump from body part to body part to get the full body workout he is looking for with minimal time between sets. He really does run to the next machine in the gym.
As far as his injuries go, he broke both hands and his left foot. He will have surgery Wednesday to pin and plate his left hand and it is estimated it will be 8 months, before he can hit anything solid. Knowing Rich the time frame will be alot shorter than that.
Fighting the last 2 rounds with all the injuries he had just shows what his conditioning and mindset did for him. If he was not conditioned the way he is there is no way he would have finshed victorious.
In a previous post I stated the following regarding BJ Penn:
That is absolutely wrong and I apologize to Penn and his fans for stating such a thing.
I was under the wrong impression that he was banned for the above reason. I found out late last night that he was not banned for that reason, but for another unrelated reason.
I know that people get away with quite a lot on the Internet. But I don’t want anything that I post to ever harm someones reputation unfairly.
BJ Penn is a great fighter and I wish him nothing but the best.
I think they should be showing all the fights including the feature fights, its advertised showing 8 fights and therefor it would seem to make sense if we got to enjoy them all.
[quote]Hamster wrote:
The BJ/GSP fight was bullshit. Penn won that fight by virtue of more damage incurred. If it had gone on longer, he would have found a way to win, but you can’t fault the judges. It was akin in my mind to the Hopkins-Taylor fights, in which Bernard did more damage, but Taylor won more rounds.
NOT what ultimate fighting should be about. They should get rid of rounds altogether, and go back to just having a time limit. [/quote]
Or they could gasp not give points simply for being on top! This will probably never happen though, given that the UFC was cofounded by the Gracies.
I support the rounds system though. Maybe it’s unrealistic, but it gives the fighters a chance to catch their breath and keeps things exciting. Nothing’s worse than watching two gassed fighters hug each other.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
Hamster wrote:
The BJ/GSP fight was bullshit. Penn won that fight by virtue of more damage incurred. If it had gone on longer, he would have found a way to win, but you can’t fault the judges. It was akin in my mind to the Hopkins-Taylor fights, in which Bernard did more damage, but Taylor won more rounds.
NOT what ultimate fighting should be about. They should get rid of rounds altogether, and go back to just having a time limit.
Or they could gasp not give points simply for being on top! This will probably never happen though, given that the UFC was cofounded by the Gracies.
I support the rounds system though. Maybe it’s unrealistic, but it gives the fighters a chance to catch their breath and keeps things exciting. Nothing’s worse than watching two gassed fighters hug each other.[/quote]
But if there were no round system Rich Franklin would have probaly had a knockout instead of a lopsided decision.
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
Hamster wrote:
The BJ/GSP fight was bullshit. Penn won that fight by virtue of more damage incurred. If it had gone on longer, he would have found a way to win, but you can’t fault the judges. It was akin in my mind to the Hopkins-Taylor fights, in which Bernard did more damage, but Taylor won more rounds. [/quote]
Penn certainly inflicted more damage than GSP, but IMO GSP was never in any trouble of a KO. Blood does not necessarily equal damage, no matter how impressive that slow-mo shot of the uppercut to the nose was.
I do agree that if either the rounds were longer or there were more, BJ would have found a submission. As it was though, aggression is a factor and after round 1, BJ just didn’t have it in him anymore. IMO GSP pressed the action throughout the last two rounds (though they were close ones!).
The UFC does place a lot of emphasis on slams though and maintaining top position (probably a concession to all the unsophisticated fans who have hazy memories of wrestling in high school), which is of course a problem. Pride and K-1 have their own quirks as well, so no promotion’s perfect.
Yeah, but if they went back to that system, they’d be back in little hick towns drawing hardcore fans and degenerates, not bringing in new fans who both know nothing or little coming in and can pick up and appreciate the sport as they learn. The weight classes and rounds were, AFAIK concessions to the various state athletic commissions, basically, “you make this a real sport or you can’t hold it in our state.”
Maybe it’s my fuzzy memory, but I remember Royce being on his back for most of his fights. IIRC, he was out by the time they went to rounds and decisions (excepting the time limit in UFC 5).
The quick and easy website to watch all the previous fight clips and even crazy weightlifting clips (i.e. type in deadlift or squat in the search bar or a fighter’s name) is:
then click on videos and type something in from there.