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wow im upset w/ the decision in the Penn vs. GSP fight…BJ deff. won the 1st round easily…the other two rounds were quite close…i just don’t like the scoring of the ufc…im a huge penn fan(and gsp too actually)…so maybe this sounds a little bias…but BJ won the damage category,he had octagon control…he was pushing the fight…

gsp got 3 takedowns and a slam…then pulled the Ricardo Arona lay and pray…ahhh makes me sick…bj didn’t even look like he had been in a fight after this one.

damnit…the more i think about it…i think bj may have took this fight lightly…he wanted to prove he was a superior striker than gsp…and it looked like he was…but he should have taken it to the ground got on top and worked a submission…

oh well good fight…props to gsp…hopefully they fight again sometime soon…like bj said he hates decisions because he never wins them…lol

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[quote]Dizzle wrote:
yeah since BJ has been out of the UFC he deff. has been fighting…some tough opponets also

argueably the best 155lb fighter in the world Takanori Gomi, who is Pride’s golden boy at 155. who Penn defeated.

Duane Ludwig, rodrigo and renzo gracie…were all bigger than penn was

and his only loss after leaving the UFC was to Ryoto Machida…who knocked out Rich Franklin and Stephan Bonner…so he isn’t a slouch either

i just don’t think that GSP has been war tested yet…he is certainly impressive w/ wins over miller,trigg, and sherk…but none of those guys imposed their will and made GSP dig deep to win those fights…maybe its gsp just being that good. the time he had to dig deep was the Hughes fight which he was dominating and i think he could have fought that armbar…looked like he just gave up to me…i dunno

if i were a betting man…i wouldn’t bet on this fight too close to call…i was upset seeing the UFC book these two to fight…they are my favorite two fighters in the UFC…but excited to see how it turns out

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Good post and this is what I was wondering going into this fight. Could GSP dig deep under pressure?

After the first round I was sitting there going “come on GSP, prove that you can be a champion.”

I scored the fight 29-28 GSP over Penn, but realize it was a close match.

I think the mental strength that GSP gained from this fight will serve him well in the future.

The Crow showed a lot of heart as well. I didn’t like to watch him run, but he managed to throw some heavy blows and utilize his elbows effectively for blocking throughout the fight (I’m guessing that’s what broke Rich’s hand and you can see Rich limping post fight from kicking the Crow’s elbow).

I wasn’t a Rich Franklin fan going in to this fight, but to me he showed he’s the real deal and a complete fighter and I’m a fan now.

Great PPV, usually these things feel like a waste of time and money.

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On the PPV of UFC 58 did anyone else only get 5 fights instead of the 8 advertised?

And Gracie will win handsdown over Hughs.

Followed by GSP upcoming win over Hughs

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Does anyone know if you can get a Spike shirt like GSP’s anywhere??

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[quote]Matt- wrote:
BJ Penn is in better shape because he is a Crossfit follower…he will win.[/quote]

So Penn lost AND gassed… so much for Crossfit!

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[quote]Curtioso wrote:
On the PPV of UFC 58 did anyone else only get 5 fights instead of the 8 advertised?
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Yup only 5 here… not sure what happened!

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
worst decision ever[/quote]

I don’t think so.

Penn clearly won the first round. Probably 3 or 4 really good strikes caused all the damage to GSP’s face.

Second round close but GSP won.

Third round when GSP picked up Penn and slmmed him to the ground was telling.

In all I think GSP took Penn down 5 times and he owned the ground.

What happened to Penns superior Jiu-Jitsu? (I say that not in a sarcastic way, I really expected Penn to be better on the ground, he was not!)

One more point, I don’t know who noticed but Penn was gassed after the first round! I think he came out strong because he was aware he was not able to go the distance. His mouth was open and he was looking at the clock in the third round as if by looking he could somehow make time go faster.

He underestimated GSP and it cost him!

Close fight as I said it would be and a good call by the judges.

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Gsp won cause he clinched and took Penn down. Good adjustment. What else could he do? Stand with BJ and get hit more.

Good thing GSP changed strategy. BJ dominated Georges stand up and George nullified BJ’s ground taking the win.

Franklin is a warrior. A great fighter. Can’t believe he recovered so well from the Crow catching him with those big shots. Whew! I thought he was going out. What a turn around and with a busted left hand. I’d say Franklin’s training paid off in spaids! Crow’s face hurt to look at. Wish him a speedy recovery.

Now looking forward to Hughes and Gracie! On another note I think Hughes would have beaten BJ this time around.

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ZEB GSP did not own the ground, he got takedowns that did no damage…im guessing the slam may have hurt a bit. he applied what we in the MMA world call Lay and Pray ala Ricardo Arona vs. Wand in their first fight which is how Arona won, but the exception in that fight was Arona controlled Wand on the ground.

just cuz GSP was on top did not mean he owned BJ on the ground, nullified BJ’s game yeah i can agree with that one…BJ mainly played opened guard, which to me signified he was in no danger…and i mean personally it could have been his conditioning bc he only really went for the omoplata sub attempt…i’ll tell u right now nobody in the UFC at 170 could own BJ Penn on the ground. Actually nobody in the world at 170 could own bj on the ground, with the excpetion of someone like Marcelo Garcia and some of the top pure grapplers in the world

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stating that BJ gassed is just plain stupid… :slight_smile: BJ was nowhere NEAR gassed… :slight_smile:

Weird decision all over, BJ had this fight, he did the damage and had 100% control all the way…

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
slimjim wrote:
worst decision ever

I don’t think so.

Penn clearly won the first round. Probably 3 or 4 really good strikes caused all the damage to GSP’s face.

Second round close but GSP won.

Third round when GSP picked up Penn and slmmed him to the ground was telling.

In all I think GSP took Penn down 5 times and he owned the ground.

What happened to Penns superior Jiu-Jitsu? (I say that not in a sarcastic way, I really expected Penn to be better on the ground, he was not!)

One more point, I don’t know who noticed but Penn was gassed after the first round! I think he came out strong because he was aware he was not able to go the distance. His mouth was open and he was looking at the clock in the third round as if by looking he could somehow make time go faster.

He underestimated GSP and it cost him!

Close fight as I said it would be and a good call by the judges.[/quote]

Pierre did nothing on the ground, so to say he owned it is an overstatement, he landed four or five punches n the ground. If you are not looking to improve your postition or submit or strike as anything but a defensive measure, it is a lay n pray designed to neutralize a superior submissions guy, it happened in Shamrock-Gracie 2 and will continue to happena as long as the UFC rewards a takedown with so much.

Pierre’s attacks were all ineffective, with Penn being the only one who even looked like he could end the fight. He wasn’t gassed either, but he did stay relaxed throughout. The only real winner here is Hughes because he doesn’t have to get embarassed the next time out.

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Matt Hughes looked happy he didn’t have to fight BJ again…but its gonna happen soon hopefully

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[quote]Dizzle wrote:
ZEB GSP did not own the ground, he got takedowns that did no damage…im guessing the slam may have hurt a bit. he applied what we in the MMA world call Lay and Pray ala Ricardo Arona vs. Wand in their first fight which is how Arona won, but the exception in that fight was Arona controlled Wand on the ground.

just cuz GSP was on top did not mean he owned BJ on the ground, nullified BJ’s game yeah i can agree with that one…BJ mainly played opened guard, which to me signified he was in no danger…and i mean personally it could have been his conditioning bc he only really went for the omoplata sub attempt…i’ll tell u right now nobody in the UFC at 170 could own BJ Penn on the ground. Actually nobody in the world at 170 could own bj on the ground, with the excpetion of someone like Marcelo Garcia and some of the top pure grapplers in the world[/quote]

Yet, Penn was on the ground with GSP taken there 5 or so times against his will.

And he had multiple chances to submit GSP but could not.

And he lost…

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
ZEB wrote:
slimjim wrote:
worst decision ever

I don’t think so.

Penn clearly won the first round. Probably 3 or 4 really good strikes caused all the damage to GSP’s face.

Second round close but GSP won.

Third round when GSP picked up Penn and slmmed him to the ground was telling.

In all I think GSP took Penn down 5 times and he owned the ground.

What happened to Penns superior Jiu-Jitsu? (I say that not in a sarcastic way, I really expected Penn to be better on the ground, he was not!)

One more point, I don’t know who noticed but Penn was gassed after the first round! I think he came out strong because he was aware he was not able to go the distance. His mouth was open and he was looking at the clock in the third round as if by looking he could somehow make time go faster.

He underestimated GSP and it cost him!

Close fight as I said it would be and a good call by the judges.

Pierre did nothing on the ground, so to say he owned it is an overstatement, he landed four or five punches n the ground. If you are not looking to improve your postition or submit or strike as anything but a defensive measure, it is a lay n pray designed to neutralize a superior submissions guy, it happened in Shamrock-Gracie 2 and will continue to happena as long as the UFC rewards a takedown with so much.

Pierre’s attacks were all ineffective, with Penn being the only one who even looked like he could end the fight. He wasn’t gassed either, but he did stay relaxed throughout. The only real winner here is Hughes because he doesn’t have to get embarassed the next time out.[/quote]

Now if any of that were correct Penn would have won…and he didn’t.

But…I think next time he won’t underestimate people like GSP.

You think Penn has been reading the many “I love BJ” posts on the Internet and started believing he was as good as you guys claim?

I guess time will tell.

Penn beat Hughes

Hughes beat GSP

GSP beat Penn

And it keeps turning…

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““Way to tough it out though for Rich, 22 and 1 now.””

the guy that beat the shit out of franklin(lyoto machida), beat PENN also, but not nearly as bad

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Here’s the thing, there’s 5 fights, 4 feature fights and one more before the Championship fight. It’s a 3 hrs pay per view. So if there is time left they’ll show the rest of the fights. It sucks because for 40 bucks I want to see all the fights. I believe they did show all 8 fights on UFC 53 or 54.

[quote]BGB wrote:
Curtioso wrote:
On the PPV of UFC 58 did anyone else only get 5 fights instead of the 8 advertised?

Yup only 5 here… not sure what happened!
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I can’t find a torrent for this!

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[quote]zdrax wrote:
GSP got thrown off early with the (illegal) eye poke. Like he mentioned in the post fight interview, he’s never been seriously hurt or bled before. That showed in this bout. To his credit, he clinched and neutralized Penn’s offense. I think this may have been the first time I’ve seen someone truly intimidate GSP.

Penn’s strategy was to capitalize on GSP’s traditionally (over)-aggressive behavior and catch him in an easy sub. I was really impressed with Penn’s early stand-up. His style was very laid back and that messed with GSP’s head. That said, I don’t understand why Penn just sat there when he could have gone for a sweep, or manuevered out of the edge of the octagon later in the match.

Penn’s lethargic approach hurt him at the end of this bout. Penn was unscathed at the end of the match and only slightly winded, versus GSP who took a beating. GSP’s aggressiveness and continual pressure showed favorably on the scorecard. Had Penn turned up the heat after hurting GSP in the first round, I think the outcome could have easily been in Penn’s favor. GSP created opportunities for himself while Penn waited for one to be presented to him.

The way Penn reacted at the end of the fight makes me think that he won’t be coming back any time soon unless the UFC drops a huge load of cash in his lap.

I’m sure this will stir up tons of controversy. The UFC rewards aggressive behavior, ring control, and takedowns, not just pure damage inflicted. Grading GSP on those markers, he’s the clear winner, despite the obvious fact that he took more damage than Penn.

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I’m new to watching MMA so reading this post has helped me to find out exactly what the judges are looking for. I agree with you. Penn should have taken this match as he beat the shit out of GSP in the first round. Why didn’t he try to take GSP down? He should have created an opportunity instead of waiting for one. I don’t remember GSP actually hurting Penn anywhere during the match. But maybe I wasn’t paying attention as much as I should have. Still I’m unsure about the call. I’d love to see a re-match.

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The franklin/Crow fight was a bit disappointing even though i did want to see Rich win. He absolutely dominated Dave. The only damage the Crow did was in the 3rd round with his devastating right. Franklin was rocked but regained his constitution.

The crow just ran away from him most of the fight and i beleived was penalized for doing so.

Franklin kicks ass!