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[quote]drewh wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]drewh wrote:
Why, the ref was slow as shit You don’t let go until the ref says to[/quote]

maybe on smaller shows it’s ok, but he is at a TELEVISED show, he’s gotta the cameras proving when the guy tapped, he didn’t need to make sure the ref had seen it. Come on, the guy was tapping for like 5 straight seconds and screaming.

I felt really bad all night long, toquinho is trash.[/quote]

Heel hooks are very dangerous locks to begin with because often times people don’t feel any pain until it’s too late and damage has already begun to occur.

That said, I’d agree that Palhares was excessive with that lock. Sure, the ref was slow in getting there, but Palhares continued to crank even after his opponent was tapping. That is the part that is unsporsmanlike IMO. There was no need for that. If he didn’t want to let go until the ref stopped the fight, then I guess you couldn’t really blame him for that. But that’s not the same thing as continuing to crank (even after the opponent taps) until the ref physically pulls you apart.

This isn’t a life and death street fight, it’s a sport. You’re supposed to try to win, but you aren’t supposed to unnecessarily try to injure your opponent, even after they’ve given up.[/quote]
It was held for like a second after the ref pulled him apart.[/quote]

But again, he kept cranking on it even after the opponent started tapping, there is no need for that, especially with an already dangerous lock like a heel hook.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
But again, he kept cranking on it even after the opponent started tapping, there is no need for that, especially with an already dangerous lock like a heel hook.[/quote]

This.

He may not be able to speak English but everyone knows when to stop when they feel someone tapping. Shit like that can end someone’s career. When guys talk about “I’m going to rip his arm out”, really they don’t want to.

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You don’t stop until the ref says to, if anything it was the refs fault. I’m suprised nobody is brining up how stupid Murgliatta was letting Carwin hit Mir like 100 times he wasn’t defending at all.

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It was only punches man, Mir will heal up and fight in no time, but that leg lock probably is going to make the guy not being able to fight for AT LEAST 1 year.

Toquinho is evil, he shall be destroyed by justice.

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No it won’t he had zero fractures, and a KO is never a good thing he was out cold.

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Good news.

At least Drwal maybe back sooner than expected he didn’t break anything. At least that’s what the MRI says…

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
A few thoughts on UFC 111:

1-Are all of you Dos Santos fans thinking twice now before making the claim that he’d beat Carwin? As I said repeatedly before the fight, Carwin has explosive hands and those hands combined with his wrestling ability makes him virtually unstoppable. I’m looking forward to the Lesnar/Carwin match-up but I bet it doesn’t take place anytime soon.[/quote]

To be honest, I wasn’t as impressed by Carwin as I was baffled by Mir. I watched the fight at a bar rather than at home, so I can’t DVR and rewatch, but it really looked like Mir allowed himself to be pressed up against the cage. When Carwin turned him, it didn’t look it was because Carwin really used the wizzer to spin Mir, it looked like Mir almost wanted his back against the cage.

And then, Mir decided to play defense with his face. Now, maybe it’s because he was so worried about the takedown that he didn’t want to take his hands off to cover up. But, it looked like he thought he could eat some flush shots and just be fine with it. You rarely see a guy up against the cage allow himself to eat shots like that. Carwin was able to bring the hammer a punch or two quicker, but almost any legit heavyweight would have dropped Mir with 3 or 4 clean uppercuts. It was a similar deal in the Lesnar fight where Mir allowed himself to take a few clean shots instead of covering.

But, nonetheless, you have to give Carwin credit for being able to finish. I think he’s a threat for sure, and there should be some fireworks when he fights Lesnar.

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4-I thought the referee stopagge of the Mir/Carwin fight was late in coming. [/quote]

I totally agree. When Mir was eating shots but grabbing Carwin’s leg trying to turtle up, I’m fine with letting it keep going. But after a couple shots, you could see him go limp and release that grip. At that point, there was no need to lean in and check things out, the fight needed to be stopped and Mir got hit 4 or 5 times when it was totally unnecessary. Considering who was doing the punching, I wouldn’t be surprised if those punches do subtle but permanent long-term damage.

One final note: What did you think of the Miller-Bocek decision? I put $50 on Bocek as a 3:1 underdog and thought that he won the fight; did a combination of wagering and Hooter’s waitresses cloud my vision or did he get robbed?

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
To be honest, I wasn’t as impressed by Carwin as I was baffled by Mir. I watched the fight at a bar rather than at home, so I can’t DVR and rewatch, but it really looked like Mir allowed himself to be pressed up against the cage. When Carwin turned him, it didn’t look it was because Carwin really used the wizzer to spin Mir, it looked like Mir almost wanted his back against the cage.
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I agree. I was a little stunned at Mir’s lack of active defense. When Carwin backed him up, it didn’t seem like he was at all interested in improving position or even defending against the punches. You’d figure after the Brock fight he’d try to be a little more proactive about defense.

During the primetime, Mir made a statement about how he had been watching a lot of tape from smaller fighters and trying to emulate them when he threw the flying knee against Lesnar. He said it was a mistake and there are some things you can’t get away with at heavyweight. Trying to wait it out while being pressed against the cage and eating some short dirty boxing style punches is probably another one of those things.

It’s really a shame. Mir is a fighter I admire a lot for his talent and his amazing recent improvements. But he really didn’t seem to want to push the fight and I think Carwin took advantage of his passivity.

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[quote]drewh wrote:
You don’t stop until the ref says to, if anything it was the refs fault. I’m suprised nobody is brining up how stupid Murgliatta was letting Carwin hit Mir like 100 times he wasn’t defending at all.[/quote]

He didn’t stop when he should have. The referee shouldn’t have to physically battle with you to try and get you to let go of the submission. He has done this before as previously stated and he may not be back in the UFC. Also, in case you missed it, people did bring up the late stoppage of Mir-Carwin.

I think Lesnar-Carwin will be awesome. Both guys are monsters and both seem to be very open to coaching and dedicated to improving and they seem to learn and absorb pretty fast. They both came to the sport late and are new, but they’re handling the steep learning curve pretty well.

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Murgliatta is a terrible ref. Anyone disagree?

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Better than Mazagatti…

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[quote]drewh wrote:
You don’t stop until the ref says to, if anything it was the refs fault. I’m suprised nobody is brining up how stupid Murgliatta was letting Carwin hit Mir like 100 times he wasn’t defending at all.[/quote]

No, you don’t let go until the ref says to, but you should stop cranking once you feel the opponent tap (meaning that the joint has already reached it’s maximum ROM and no more cranking needs to be done to make the opponent give up). And it wasn’t like the opponent was tapping on the ground or verbally tapping and Palhares didn’t hear him, he was actually tapping on Palhares’ leg. Continuing to crank shows intent to seriously injure.

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[quote]drewh wrote:
You don’t stop until the ref says to, if anything it was the refs fault. I’m suprised nobody is brining up how stupid Murgliatta was letting Carwin hit Mir like 100 times he wasn’t defending at all.[/quote]

I do agree that Murgliatta is a crappy ref though and definitely should have stopped that Carwin/Mir fight earlier. Actually lots of crappy reffing on that card. What was up with all of the bogus stand ups in the Fitch fight? A couple times Fitch was in a semi dominant position, actually throwing and landing strikes and the ref stood them up. What the hell was that about?

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]drewh wrote:
You don’t stop until the ref says to, if anything it was the refs fault. I’m suprised nobody is brining up how stupid Murgliatta was letting Carwin hit Mir like 100 times he wasn’t defending at all.[/quote]

No, you don’t let go until the ref says to, but you should stop cranking once you feel the opponent tap (meaning that the joint has already reached it’s maximum ROM and no more cranking needs to be done to make the opponent give up). And it wasn’t like the opponent was tapping on the ground or verbally tapping and Palhares didn’t hear him, he was actually tapping on Palhares’ leg. Continuing to crank shows intent to seriously injure.[/quote]

I agree, on top of that it’s very bad for the sport. No different than the referee allowing Carwin to strike Mir after he was obviously out cold.

As I’ve already stated, Dana White better get his ref’s and some of the overzealous fighters in line or they will suffer a major set-back to the sport.

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they are the commissions refs not DW’s

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Nate Diaz: proving you don’t have to be jacked to beat some ass in the UFC since 2007.

Anybody else impressed by Nate?

I think he’s a great fighter. It’s just hard not to laugh whiling watching him fight!

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[quote]drewh wrote:
they are the commissions refs not DW’s[/quote]

What’s wrong with you? I know that, everyone knows that. So if Dana White complains to the commission they won’t pay attention?

SHEESH.

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[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

I think he’s a great fighter. It’s just hard not to laugh whiling watching him fight![/quote]

You think Dias is a “great” fighter? You really want to stand behind that comment?

Does that mean that everyone with a 12-5 record is great in your opinion? Or is it just Diaz?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

I think he’s a great fighter. It’s just hard not to laugh whiling watching him fight![/quote]

You think Dias is a “great” fighter? You really want to stand behind that comment?

Does that mean that everyone with a 12-5 record is great in your opinion? Or is it just Diaz?

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Who cares about record, Just look at Cain , you fuckin MMAthematician

I love watching the Diaz brothers fighting, they are strange and funny.

Learning how to spell is a big improvement, you silly keyboard warrior.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

I think he’s a great fighter. It’s just hard not to laugh whiling watching him fight![/quote]

You think Dias is a “great” fighter? You really want to stand behind that comment?

Does that mean that everyone with a 12-5 record is great in your opinion? Or is it just Diaz?

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Yeah, I will stand behind that comment.

I think he brings a unorthodox and entertaining style to the UFC and MMA in general, just like his brother.

Do I think he is champion material?

Nah. But I don’t think it takes being a champion to be ‘great’.

I was impressed in his fight with Rory Markham at 170. I never thought he weighed 170 in the first place, and I never thought we’d see him fight above 155.

He’s a skinny guy but he has a good skill set. He’s beat some good fighters. He’s managed to surprise me in most of the fights of his that I’ve seen.

Great, good, skilled, whatever you want to say. It’s all just semantics.