Did you just quote yourself?
Yes, I agree, at one point Carwin looks at the ref before punching him a few more times. Ref should have stopped the fight.
Also I enjoied Pellegrino vs Camoes. When he dropped him on the head and then try to RNC. That made the night for me. I got my 5 dollar cover’s worth.
[quote]elano wrote:
Anyone else cringe every time Hardy’s elbow looked like it was going to snap? That dude is made of rubber![/quote]
Not taking anything away from Hardy, because he showed that he is one tough dude not tapping to those submission attempts.
But, the only reason that he didn’t get hurt/have to tap, wasn’t that his joints are made of rubber, it’s because GSP was sloppy with his “submission position” and gave him space to resist. Had GSP simply pinched his knees together on the armbar, it would have been tap or snap for Hardy. Same thing with the Kimura; had he just trapped the head with his left leg (either pinching it between his knees and kneeling/sitting on Hardy’s head and rolling Hardy up onto his side or head scissoring Hardy’s head with both his legs while staying on his side), then there would have been nowhere for Hardy to move away from the pain to and he would have had to either tap or get his shoulder torn to shreds.
Great set ups, takedowns (as always) and control by GSP though.
So, just a few little details that GSP needs to focus on with his submissions and if they meet again, he’ll submit (or seriously injure) Hardy.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
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So, just a few little details that GSP needs to focus on with his submissions and if they meet again, he’ll submit (or seriously injure) Hardy.[/quote]
I don’t know enough to eval at this level so thanks for the technical analysis. GSP is a “never again” type of fighter and so I do think he will learn from this fight. Hardy, not so much; hopefully he will retire 'cause injury seems inevitable destiny.
Dan Hardy is a tough son of a bitch.
Mir looked like he was so focused on not getting taken down he forgot to cover his face.
Usually after a serious whooping Dana White looks super excited. He looked bummed and kind of concerned last night 'cause he knows Carwin will fucking destroy his cash cow. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Lesnars tuburculosis magically comes back and the fight is postponed again.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Did you just quote yourself? [/quote]
Yep my intent was that he’d read what I said again.
Toquinho is a bad guy, he always did this with guys here at Brazil, he deserves to get his own knee snapped in half.
Why, the ref was slow as shit You don’t let go until the ref says to
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]elano wrote:
Anyone else cringe every time Hardy’s elbow looked like it was going to snap? That dude is made of rubber![/quote]
Not taking anything away from Hardy, because he showed that he is one tough dude not tapping to those submission attempts.
But, the only reason that he didn’t get hurt/have to tap, wasn’t that his joints are made of rubber, it’s because GSP was sloppy with his “submission position” and gave him space to resist. Had GSP simply pinched his knees together on the armbar, it would have been tap or snap for Hardy. Same thing with the Kimura; had he just trapped the head with his left leg (either pinching it between his knees and kneeling/sitting on Hardy’s head and rolling Hardy up onto his side or head scissoring Hardy’s head with both his legs while staying on his side), then there would have been nowhere for Hardy to move away from the pain to and he would have had to either tap or get his shoulder torn to shreds.
Great set ups, takedowns (as always) and control by GSP though.
So, just a few little details that GSP needs to focus on with his submissions and if they meet again, he’ll submit (or seriously injure) Hardy.[/quote]
I honestly think GSP took it easy on the Kimura as well, if you watch the replay after he sets it in and gives that initial tug he looks at the ref with this look on his face that’s like “this guy is gonna tap this time right? I don’t have to send him to the hospital?” Obviously I could be reading way more into it than there actually is there, but it really felt like he didn’t want to just destroy Hardy’s career.
Now that guy who got his knee ripped to shreds…
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
A mediocre card. As for the big fights:
Hardy showed how tough he was. The only thing that came as a surprise.
GSP still totally, completely dominated him.
Mir looked very uninspired and without a warrior’s focus. Carwin was -again, surprise- strong with both his wrestling and his fists.
GSP will eventually move up in weight, hopefully slowly, and be a contender there.
Carwin will beat up Lesnar and be (super)heavyweight champ.
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Carwin can’t/won’t beat Lesnar. GSP’s domination was boring…no damage to Hardy.
[quote]drewh wrote:
Why, the ref was slow as shit You don’t let go until the ref says to[/quote]
maybe on smaller shows it’s ok, but he is at a TELEVISED show, he’s gotta the cameras proving when the guy tapped, he didn’t need to make sure the ref had seen it. Come on, the guy was tapping for like 5 straight seconds and screaming.
I felt really bad all night long, toquinho is trash.
[quote]greenpig wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
A mediocre card. As for the big fights:
Hardy showed how tough he was. The only thing that came as a surprise.
GSP still totally, completely dominated him.
Mir looked very uninspired and without a warrior’s focus. Carwin was -again, surprise- strong with both his wrestling and his fists.
GSP will eventually move up in weight, hopefully slowly, and be a contender there.
Carwin will beat up Lesnar and be (super)heavyweight champ.
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Carwin can’t/won’t beat Lesnar. GSP’s domination was boring…no damage to Hardy. [/quote]
I believe that Carwin can beat Lesnar only because Lesnar had more trouble with Mir’s stand up that Carwin did with Mir.
[quote]ukrainian wrote:
I believe that Carwin can beat Lesnar only because Lesnar had more trouble with Mir’s stand up that Carwin did with Mir.[/quote]
and Lesnar does not (seem to) take Carwin serious
To me Carwin is the biggest threat right now to Brock. I thought he was all hype but that guy sure has some heavy murder ball on those fists.
If Carwin loses then all we can hope is JDS or Cain, if they fail, HW division is fucked, Brock will reign.
Mir got lucky with that kneebar on Brock. That won’t happen again. Back then Brock was fresh with no submission defense at all and probably very little experience with grappling/submissions.
Right now he’s been training for a long while and he’s gained a bit of experience. His camp is helping him with his weaknesses, also.
IF Carwin can stand with Brock, then there’s always a punchers chance of him hitting an KO. I wonder if Brock is going for a takedown, and how that will go.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]elano wrote:
Anyone else cringe every time Hardy’s elbow looked like it was going to snap? That dude is made of rubber![/quote]
Not taking anything away from Hardy, because he showed that he is one tough dude not tapping to those submission attempts.
But, the only reason that he didn’t get hurt/have to tap, wasn’t that his joints are made of rubber, it’s because GSP was sloppy with his “submission position” and gave him space to resist. Had GSP simply pinched his knees together on the armbar, it would have been tap or snap for Hardy. Same thing with the Kimura; had he just trapped the head with his left leg (either pinching it between his knees and kneeling/sitting on Hardy’s head and rolling Hardy up onto his side or head scissoring Hardy’s head with both his legs while staying on his side), then there would have been nowhere for Hardy to move away from the pain to and he would have had to either tap or get his shoulder torn to shreds.
Great set ups, takedowns (as always) and control by GSP though.
So, just a few little details that GSP needs to focus on with his submissions and if they meet again, he’ll submit (or seriously injure) Hardy.[/quote]
I honestly think GSP took it easy on the Kimura as well, if you watch the replay after he sets it in and gives that initial tug he looks at the ref with this look on his face that’s like “this guy is gonna tap this time right? I don’t have to send him to the hospital?” Obviously I could be reading way more into it than there actually is there, but it really felt like he didn’t want to just destroy Hardy’s career.
Now that guy who got his knee ripped to shreds…
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I agree, he didn’t want to end Hardy’s career by ripping his shoulder to shreds.
But I still stand by what I said. If you have really solid “submission positions”, then you only need to move fractions of an inch to make someone tap, and only fractions more to do damage. Any time you see someone having to use lots of force or really extending themselves to try to get a submission it means that their “submission positions” are weak and they need to work on them.
If GSP’s “submission positions” were strong on that armbar and Kimura attempts, then he would have been able to force Hardy to tap without much effort on his part.
Now there are some freaks out there who really do have hypermobility in their joints (double jointed is the laymen’s term) who some locks really don’t work on. But they’re few and far between, and nothing that I saw in that fight suggested that Hardy was one of them.
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
Why, the ref was slow as shit You don’t let go until the ref says to[/quote]
maybe on smaller shows it’s ok, but he is at a TELEVISED show, he’s gotta the cameras proving when the guy tapped, he didn’t need to make sure the ref had seen it. Come on, the guy was tapping for like 5 straight seconds and screaming.
I felt really bad all night long, toquinho is trash.[/quote]
Heel hooks are very dangerous locks to begin with because often times people don’t feel any pain until it’s too late and damage has already begun to occur.
That said, I’d agree that Palhares was excessive with that lock. Sure, the ref was slow in getting there, but Palhares continued to crank even after his opponent was tapping. That is the part that is unsporsmanlike IMO. There was no need for that. If he didn’t want to let go until the ref stopped the fight, then I guess you couldn’t really blame him for that. But that’s not the same thing as continuing to crank (even after the opponent taps) until the ref physically pulls you apart.
This isn’t a life and death street fight, it’s a sport. You’re supposed to try to win, but you aren’t supposed to unnecessarily try to injure your opponent, even after they’ve given up.
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
Mir got lucky with that kneebar on Brock. That won’t happen again. Back then Brock was fresh with no submission defense at all and probably very little experience with grappling/submissions.
Right now he’s been training for a long while and he’s gained a bit of experience. His camp is helping him with his weaknesses, also.
IF Carwin can stand with Brock, then there’s always a punchers chance of him hitting an KO. I wonder if Brock is going for a takedown, and how that will go.[/quote]
IF Carwin can force Brock to stand with him, then IMO he’ll walk away with the belt. I guess we’ll have to wait and see if Carwin’s takedown defense (or ability to create scramble situations and get back to his feet if taken down) is good enough to allow him to do so.
I suspect that Brock is probably going to come out, fake a punch and immediately try to make the fight a wrestling match right out of the gate. He’s proud, but he’s not that stupid (at least I don’t think he is) to think that he wants to stand and bang with Carwin.
He knows where his best chance of winning is, and he’s gonna try his best to take the fight there.
Again, Mir gets pinned to the cage and decides to take about 30 shots to the face, reminiscent of his last Lesnar fight. What was he thinking? Is Carwin just that dominating?
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
Why, the ref was slow as shit You don’t let go until the ref says to[/quote]
maybe on smaller shows it’s ok, but he is at a TELEVISED show, he’s gotta the cameras proving when the guy tapped, he didn’t need to make sure the ref had seen it. Come on, the guy was tapping for like 5 straight seconds and screaming.
I felt really bad all night long, toquinho is trash.[/quote]
Heel hooks are very dangerous locks to begin with because often times people don’t feel any pain until it’s too late and damage has already begun to occur.
That said, I’d agree that Palhares was excessive with that lock. Sure, the ref was slow in getting there, but Palhares continued to crank even after his opponent was tapping. That is the part that is unsporsmanlike IMO. There was no need for that. If he didn’t want to let go until the ref stopped the fight, then I guess you couldn’t really blame him for that. But that’s not the same thing as continuing to crank (even after the opponent taps) until the ref physically pulls you apart.
This isn’t a life and death street fight, it’s a sport. You’re supposed to try to win, but you aren’t supposed to unnecessarily try to injure your opponent, even after they’ve given up.[/quote]
It was held for like a second after the ref pulled him apart.