UFC Live/117

[ZEB]

I give a lot of credit to Anderson Silva for hanging in there and fighting back to win. He proved himself a real champion last night. He took a tremendous beating for about 4 1/2 rounds. However, if nothing else comes from this I hope that the Silva hype comes down a notch. He’s far from an mma God. He’s no more invulnerable than Brock Lesnar, GSP and the rest of the UFC Champs (and of course Fedor, as we’ve seen). They can all be beaten on the right night by the right fighter. Just ask BJ Penn who Rogan used to tout as the “gifted one, the prodigy.” I really hate the hype that those in and around the UFC give to certain fighters. They get all the impressionable kids to believe that nonsense.

As to those thinking that GSP is going to fight Silva, don’t hold your breath, I don’t believe that it will happen. It would be a bad fight for GSP as he would be giving away too much size, height and natural weight. But, I would love to see another Sonnen/Silva fight. If anyone deserves a rematch it’s Sonnen. That might happen, what does everyone else think?

[Big_Boss]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Regardless of his great,underdog performance…he lost…by SUBMISSION.

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I agree, Silva gets much credit for hanging in there and making a great comeback. Just like Carwin did with Lesnar. Tell me were you that quick to point it out in Lesnar’s favor? Hmm, let me think back.
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Nope…I wasn’t. Only because some people were giving MORE credit than what Lesnar deserved when it came to showing heart and an iron chin. Lesnar won decisively. BUT had Carwin been in Chael’s shoes and not gassed,Lesnar would be a Fathead decal on the mat. Besides…that’s water under the bridge…I’ve spoken enough about that. Get at me when it’s time for Lesnar/Velasquez.

[Big_Boss]

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I give a lot of credit to Anderson Silva for hanging in there and fighting back to win. He proved himself a real champion last night. He took a tremendous beating for about 4 1/2 rounds. However, if nothing else comes from this I hope that the Silva hype comes down a notch. He’s far from an mma God. He’s no more invulnerable than Brock Lesnar, GSP and the rest of the UFC Champs (and of course Fedor, as we’ve seen). They can all be beaten on the right night by the right fighter. Just ask BJ Penn who Rogan used to tout as the “gifted one, the prodigy.” I really hate the hype that those in and around the UFC give to certain fighters. They get all the impressionable kids to believe that nonsense.

As to those thinking that GSP is going to fight Silva, don’t hold your breath, I don’t believe that it will happen. It would be a bad fight for GSP as he would be giving away too much size, height and natural weight. But, I would love to see another Sonnen/Silva fight. If anyone deserves a rematch it’s Sonnen. That might happen, what does everyone else think?[/quote]

Well…I could see why people want a rematch. The only thing is that there was no controversy as to who won…our recent fights that garnered rematches were very close fights. I guess…if you count Sonnen acting as if he didn’t tap a controversy…I could see it.

But he lost decisively…and with that,he was the challenger. This fight was not like Shogun who fought to a close decision.He has to earn a title shot again,imo. I say only championship fights that were left in the hands of judges should get rematches.

[rundymc]

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

Well…I wouldn’t say it exposes it…because like I mentioned,he didn’t seem as fluid and quick as he usually is too me. 1) He was flat-footed a lot…which never happens. 2) He moved backwards a lot…which never happens. At the beginning of each round…Silva would show his usual lateral movement and defense…with success…BUT then he seemed to flatten out with desperation…as if he was hurt and/or gassed. Which of course made it easier for Chael to capitalize with takedowns.
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Hmm, I’ll have to watch the fight again and pay more attention to Silva. He looked off, but the two times I’ve watched it I put it down to the way Chael was pressing the action.

I agree the pressure by Chael was successful for his takedowns…I will give him that. He did back his talk up in that department. But his stand-up and strike defense was nothing to swoon over…a healthy Anderson KO’s/TKO’s Chael. We saw glimpses of that…mainly when he rocked Sonnen with reverse elbow.

Chael didn’t get tagged as much as Leites and Maia (not sure about Hendo). That elbow was beautiful though. If this injury of his severely hampered him, the outcome of the rematch will be pretty different. I’m still not sure he can stop the takedown though.

Sonnen knocked down Silva…once. The second “knock down” was a slip…which Rogan verified from a replay. Regardless of that, Sonnen also hit him flush on the chin other numerous times…even with his G-n-P. And Sonnen has never been known as a heavy-handed fighter…as he’s never really finished anyone in recent years. So yes…Chael has 'mallow hands AND Silva has an iron chin. Also…you claimed that Sonnen fight finally showed Silva’s weak striking defense…so how did Riveria and Murray test his chin??

Woops, didn’t catch that. Both Rivera and Murray landed decent to hard shots on him, and he went pretty much unfazed, hence the iron chin. What I meant was that if Sonnen could knock Silva down, there has to be some power in there.

The only area we might agree on with this is the fact that Silva doesn’t cover up and leaves his chin up a lot. He has gotten away with it because of his superior footwork and head movement(which is a better defense than just covering up,imo)…which was absent for whatever reason against Sonnen.

This is what I was thinking of when I wrote that. Again, the injury could be the reason, but no one has fought Anderson on the feet the way Chael did (Leben tried to bullrush him).

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What difference does it make…if said injured competitor defeats his opponent anyways?? IF it upsets anyone…it’s only because the loser can’t accept he couldn’t better his injured counterpart even when they’ve given all they have. That’s just the way it is…I’m sure Anderson accepts the fact that he still took a beating.[/quote]

His opponent had a good showing. Saying you had an injury is akin to saying: “Part of the reason he had a showing was because I wasn’t at 100%.” Even if it’s true (we can’t really dispute that right now), it takes something away from the performance. That’s what gets to me. But you know, he gutted out one heck of a come from behind win, and was tested more than at any point in his career, I’m sure he wasn’t thinking about that.

[rundymc]

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Well…I could see why people want a rematch. The only thing is that there was no controversy as to who won…our recent fights that garnered rematches were very close fights. I guess…if you count Sonnen acting as if he didn’t tap a controversy…I could see it.

But he lost decisively…and with that,he was the challenger. This fight was not like Shogun who fought to a close decision.He has to earn a title shot again,imo. I say only championship fights that were left in the hands of judges should get rematches.
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Agreed. Despite the loss, Chael is on somewhat of a roll with impressive performances. I say let him avenge some of those losses of his.
Not sure who’s next for Silva though. Vitor needs a fight at MW since it’s been a while since the Franklin fight.

[Big_Boss]

Bisping(lol) wants Sonnen next…which is interesting,imo. I say Sonnen gets the loser of Marquardt/Palhares. Too bad Belcher/Maia is off…as Belcher is having surgery for detached retina. Don’t know how soon he will be back. Which sucks,because he was moving up the ladder as a contender.

Personally,I think it’s garbage that Vitor is even considered a top contender at MW. He hasn’t proven crap…he needs some “warm-up” fights at actual MW(not catchweight crap). In fact,I think Bisping vs. Vitor sounds good as well. There are lots of match-ups that can be made at MW.

As for who should be next for Silva??? OKAMI. DFW even stated that it’s time for him a title shot…so let’s make it happen.

[rundymc]

Hah, forgot about Yushin. Now that could be interesting if he can plow his way into a double like Sonnen.
Bisping? If he does win a fight with Sonnen it will be by back-pedaling and outpointing him. If Sonnen can takedown Nate, Silva, and Okami, Bisping stands no chance once in range.

Vitor did KO Franklin at 195. Yeah, catchweights are fucked, but he did show some dominance. Obviously he doesn’t ‘deserve’ the fight, but that hasn’t stopped the UFC before. Either way, if he carries his power down to 185, and keeps his speed, it’s a compelling matchup.

[molnes]

Holy fuck what a fight between Anderson and Sonnen. Sonnen actually won me over during the fight due to his awesome fighting spirit. I actually feel bad for him now.

[ZEB]

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
ZEB wrote:

I agree, Silva gets much credit for hanging in there and making a great comeback. Just like Carwin did with Lesnar. Tell me were you that quick to point it out in Lesnar’s favor? Hmm, let me think back.

Nope…I wasn’t. [/quote]

You know, come to think of it you were not very gracious to Lesnar were you? And he only took a beating for one round and came back to win. But oh what a beating he took.

Only because some people were giving MORE credit than what Lesnar deserved when it came to showing heart and an iron chin.

Yea, I think I understand completely, Lesnar’s fan base gave him too much credit in your opinion, so you just played the role of equalizer, sort of like a thread monitor might. The fact that you don’t like him didn’t play into it at all. That’s what I like about you, unbiased and always fair.

Lesnar won decisively.

That is so nice of you to admit, and it only took you just a little over a month. Good for you.

BUT had Carwin been in Chael’s shoes and not gassed,Lesnar would be a Fathead decal on the mat.

At least that’s your wish. But, we all know that even someone who didn’t gas is more susceptible to being taken down once they are not as fresh as they were in round one. Had Silva been a stand-out wrestler he’d have taken Sonnen down after one or two rounds as well. That is the one thing that anyone fighting Lesnar is going to have to deal with. Regardless of what round it is they have to know that he’s going to have the ability to take them down. And we all now know that Lesnar can take a punch as he took many from possibly the hardest hitting guy to ever set foot in the octagon.

[quote]Besides…that’s water under the bridge…I’ve spoken enough about that. Get at me when it’s time for Lesnar/Velasquez.
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Ah yes, Lesnar/Velasquez UFC 121. Velasquez is a seemingly tireless wrestler, who also has dynamite punching power. Should prove to be quite the challenge for Lesnar shouldn’t it? As soon as the fight gets closer we’ll have to see who is training hardest, how they’re training and what the odds will be. I’m looking forward to it.

[slimjim]

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I give a lot of credit to Anderson Silva for hanging in there and fighting back to win. He proved himself a real champion last night. He took a tremendous beating for about 4 1/2 rounds. However, if nothing else comes from this I hope that the Silva hype comes down a notch. He’s far from an mma God. He’s no more invulnerable than Brock Lesnar, GSP and the rest of the UFC Champs (and of course Fedor, as we’ve seen). They can all be beaten on the right night by the right fighter. Just ask BJ Penn who Rogan used to tout as the “gifted one, the prodigy.” I really hate the hype that those in and around the UFC give to certain fighters. They get all the impressionable kids to believe that nonsense.

As to those thinking that GSP is going to fight Silva, don’t hold your breath, I don’t believe that it will happen. It would be a bad fight for GSP as he would be giving away too much size, height and natural weight. But, I would love to see another Sonnen/Silva fight. If anyone deserves a rematch it’s Sonnen. That might happen, what does everyone else think?[/quote]

i dont know that sonnen deserves a rematch. he fought a good fight, no doubt, and the rest of the division is kind of in limbo given silva’s run through it

and why do you always got to bag on bj? he was jobbed in that last decision - check the compubox numbers and start watching the fights with the sound off…the judges in that fight scored it horrendously and rewarded edgar for fighting like it was an olympic boxing match when it was for the ufc title (really, who gave edgar the 50-45 scorecard?) and it kills me that your dislike for bj comes from his ‘being cocky’ given that one of the guy you love to talk about is hughes - ive met both guys, hughes is truly cocky, whatever caused you to perceive bj as arrogant was either an act or a misread.

i too laugh at the notion of gsp diving for doubles on silva. say what you guys want about what youve heard about gsps wrestling, he does not want to make that bump up in weight to face silva…have we forgotten already the lesson gsp taught bj about size advantage?

[ZEB]

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I give a lot of credit to Anderson Silva for hanging in there and fighting back to win. He proved himself a real champion last night. He took a tremendous beating for about 4 1/2 rounds. However, if nothing else comes from this I hope that the Silva hype comes down a notch. He’s far from an mma God. He’s no more invulnerable than Brock Lesnar, GSP and the rest of the UFC Champs (and of course Fedor, as we’ve seen). They can all be beaten on the right night by the right fighter. Just ask BJ Penn who Rogan used to tout as the “gifted one, the prodigy.” I really hate the hype that those in and around the UFC give to certain fighters. They get all the impressionable kids to believe that nonsense.

As to those thinking that GSP is going to fight Silva, don’t hold your breath, I don’t believe that it will happen. It would be a bad fight for GSP as he would be giving away too much size, height and natural weight. But, I would love to see another Sonnen/Silva fight. If anyone deserves a rematch it’s Sonnen. That might happen, what does everyone else think?

Well…I could see why people want a rematch. The only thing is that there was no controversy as to who won.[/quote]

As I’m sure you know controversy is only one reason to have a rematch. The fact that Sonnen beat “THE GREATEST MARTIAL ARTIST WHOEVER LIVED, OR THAT WILL EVER LIVE” from one side of the octagon to the other for 22:30 is probably another reason fro a rematch don’t you think?

I guess…if you count Sonnen acting as if he didn’t tap a controversy…I could see it.

I actually thought he handled that well. I think it’s probably a basic human reaction to come that close have to tap and then maybe wish you hadn’t (see Shamrock vs Gracie I). And after fighting as hard as he did he was probably half out of it. I give him credit for stepping up after the fight and telling Joe Rogan that he lost, came in second, and got the silver medal. By the way I also give Silva much credit for walking over to Sonnen after the fight and bowing, kneeling etc. They are two warriors no question.

[quote] I say only championship fights that were left in the hands of judges should get rematches.
[/quote]

Really? And I say that anyone who is called the greatest pound for pound fighter in the world should not get bitch slapped for 4 1/2 rounds, come up a winner and not have to face that same guy again. It’s really for Anderson Silva. Let’s give Silva a chance to show the world that he really had a rib injury (eye roll) and that he was off his game against Sonnen (there had to be a logical reason right? No human being can do that to the great Anderson Silva right?) You don’t want to give him the opportunity to raise his fight status back up to God level? Gee that’s odd. Anyway, Silva being the great guy that we all know he is will be all for a rematch with Sonnen. Right?

[ZEB]

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Bisping(lol) wants Sonnen next.[/quote]

Thanks a lot BB, I fell out of my chair laughing and hurt my knee.

[ZEB]

[quote]molnes wrote:
Holy fuck what a fight between Anderson and Sonnen. Sonnen actually won me over during the fight due to his awesome fighting spirit. I actually feel bad for him now. [/quote]

I feel bad that he didn’t win, I would have won a bundle. Like I said earlier in the thread prior to the fight, I loved those odds.

[Big_Boss]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I give a lot of credit to Anderson Silva for hanging in there and fighting back to win. He proved himself a real champion last night. He took a tremendous beating for about 4 1/2 rounds. However, if nothing else comes from this I hope that the Silva hype comes down a notch. He’s far from an mma God. He’s no more invulnerable than Brock Lesnar, GSP and the rest of the UFC Champs (and of course Fedor, as we’ve seen). They can all be beaten on the right night by the right fighter. Just ask BJ Penn who Rogan used to tout as the “gifted one, the prodigy.” I really hate the hype that those in and around the UFC give to certain fighters. They get all the impressionable kids to believe that nonsense.

As to those thinking that GSP is going to fight Silva, don’t hold your breath, I don’t believe that it will happen. It would be a bad fight for GSP as he would be giving away too much size, height and natural weight. But, I would love to see another Sonnen/Silva fight. If anyone deserves a rematch it’s Sonnen. That might happen, what does everyone else think?

Well…I could see why people want a rematch. The only thing is that there was no controversy as to who won.[/quote]

As I’m sure you know controversy is only one reason to have a rematch. The fact that Sonnen beat “THE GREATEST MARTIAL ARTIST WHOEVER LIVED, OR THAT WILL EVER LIVE” from one side of the octagon to the other for 22:30 is probably another reason fro a rematch don’t you think?

I guess…if you count Sonnen acting as if he didn’t tap a controversy…I could see it.

I actually thought he handled that well. I think it’s probably a basic human reaction to come that close have to tap and then maybe wish you hadn’t (see Shamrock vs Gracie I). And after fighting as hard as he did he was probably half out of it. I give him credit for stepping up after the fight and telling Joe Rogan that he lost, came in second, and got the silver medal. By the way I also give Silva much credit for walking over to Sonnen after the fight and bowing, kneeling etc. They are two warriors no question.

[quote] I say only championship fights that were left in the hands of judges should get rematches.
[/quote]

Really? And I say that anyone who is called the greatest pound for pound fighter in the world should not get bitch slapped for 4 1/2 rounds, come up a winner and not have to face that same guy again. It’s really for Anderson Silva. Let’s give Silva a chance to show the world that he really had a rib injury (eye roll) and that he was off his game against Sonnen (there had to be a logical reason right? No human being can do that to the great Anderson Silva right?) You don’t want to give him the opportunity to raise his fight status back up to God level? Gee that’s odd. Anyway, Silva being the great guy that we all know he is will be all for a rematch with Sonnen. Right?
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Hmmm…that thing they are pointing to doesn’t say P4P World Champion. But it does seem to have more value than a ranking system abused by MMA fanboys. And correct me if I’m wrong,but Silva still has that in his possession…and how come Sonnen doesn’t have it in his possession??

Let’s not forget what really matters.

[ZEB]

[quote]slimjim wrote:

and why do you always got to bag on bj?[/quote]

He’s a whiner and I don’t like whiners. Hence, I always “bag on him.” Sorry.

he was jobbed in that last decision

Yes, he was “jobbed” against Edgar (here’s an idea take the inferior fighter down and submit him). And GSP was greased or he’d have beaten him. Let’s see what happened when Hughes almost ripped his head off? What was the excuse then? Oh yea, he was coming off a bad cold. Enough of this nonsense. BJ Penn is a whiner. Did I ever tell you that I don’t like whiners? Yea, I think I did.

i too laugh at the notion of gsp diving for doubles on silva. say what you guys want about what youve heard about gsps wrestling, he does not want to make that bump up in weight to face silva…have we forgotten already the lesson gsp taught bj about size advantage?

Well, at least we can agree on this one my friend. Even meeting at a catch weight would be disastrous for GSP, and I like him as a fighter and how he represents himself as a human being (as we never really know these guys do we?)

[ZEB]

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I give a lot of credit to Anderson Silva for hanging in there and fighting back to win. He proved himself a real champion last night. He took a tremendous beating for about 4 1/2 rounds. However, if nothing else comes from this I hope that the Silva hype comes down a notch. He’s far from an mma God. He’s no more invulnerable than Brock Lesnar, GSP and the rest of the UFC Champs (and of course Fedor, as we’ve seen). They can all be beaten on the right night by the right fighter. Just ask BJ Penn who Rogan used to tout as the “gifted one, the prodigy.” I really hate the hype that those in and around the UFC give to certain fighters. They get all the impressionable kids to believe that nonsense.

As to those thinking that GSP is going to fight Silva, don’t hold your breath, I don’t believe that it will happen. It would be a bad fight for GSP as he would be giving away too much size, height and natural weight. But, I would love to see another Sonnen/Silva fight. If anyone deserves a rematch it’s Sonnen. That might happen, what does everyone else think?

Well…I could see why people want a rematch. The only thing is that there was no controversy as to who won.[/quote]

As I’m sure you know controversy is only one reason to have a rematch. The fact that Sonnen beat “THE GREATEST MARTIAL ARTIST WHOEVER LIVED, OR THAT WILL EVER LIVE” from one side of the octagon to the other for 22:30 is probably another reason fro a rematch don’t you think?

I guess…if you count Sonnen acting as if he didn’t tap a controversy…I could see it.

I actually thought he handled that well. I think it’s probably a basic human reaction to come that close have to tap and then maybe wish you hadn’t (see Shamrock vs Gracie I). And after fighting as hard as he did he was probably half out of it. I give him credit for stepping up after the fight and telling Joe Rogan that he lost, came in second, and got the silver medal. By the way I also give Silva much credit for walking over to Sonnen after the fight and bowing, kneeling etc. They are two warriors no question.

[quote] I say only championship fights that were left in the hands of judges should get rematches.
[/quote]

Really? And I say that anyone who is called the greatest pound for pound fighter in the world should not get bitch slapped for 4 1/2 rounds, come up a winner and not have to face that same guy again. It’s really for Anderson Silva. Let’s give Silva a chance to show the world that he really had a rib injury (eye roll) and that he was off his game against Sonnen (there had to be a logical reason right? No human being can do that to the great Anderson Silva right?) You don’t want to give him the opportunity to raise his fight status back up to God level? Gee that’s odd. Anyway, Silva being the great guy that we all know he is will be all for a rematch with Sonnen. Right?
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Hmmm…that thing they are pointing to doesn’t say P4P World Champion. But it does seem to have more value than a ranking system abused by MMA fanboys. And correct me if I’m wrong,but Silva still has that in his possession…and how come Sonnen doesn’t have it in his possession??

Let’s not forget what really matters.
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Where did I say anything to the contrary. In fact, it was me trying to tell some of you that exact thing when Lesnar beat Carwin in similar fashion. The only thing that counts is who wins in the end. Oh wait, it only matters when you actually like the fighter who wins. Oops…forgot.

I am surprised that you don’t want to see your man Silva try to climb back up to that lofty pedestal that you and others had him on. All he has to do is show that Sonnen was lucky for 4 1/2 rounds. No really a rematch would make money and I think the fans want to see it. At least most of the fans.

[sardines12]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]slimjim wrote:

and why do you always got to bag on bj?[/quote]

He’s a whiner and I don’t like whiners. Hence, I always “bag on him.” Sorry.

he was jobbed in that last decision

Yes, he was “jobbed” against Edgar (here’s an idea take the inferior fighter down and submit him). And GSP was greased or he’d have beaten him. Let’s see what happened when Hughes almost ripped his head off? What was the excuse then? Oh yea, he was coming off a bad cold. Enough of this nonsense. BJ Penn is a whiner. Did I ever tell you that I don’t like whiners? Yea, I think I did.

i too laugh at the notion of gsp diving for doubles on silva. say what you guys want about what youve heard about gsps wrestling, he does not want to make that bump up in weight to face silva…have we forgotten already the lesson gsp taught bj about size advantage?

Well, at least we can agree on this one my friend. Even meeting at a catch weight would be disastrous for GSP, and I like him as a fighter and how he represents himself as a human being (as we never really know these guys do we?)
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No dumbass he broke his rib in the Hughes fight confirmed by a doctor after the fight. The fact that Anderson fought with one and still pulled out a W is even more impressive.

[ZEB]

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]slimjim wrote:

and why do you always got to bag on bj?[/quote]

He’s a whiner and I don’t like whiners. Hence, I always “bag on him.” Sorry.

he was jobbed in that last decision

Yes, he was “jobbed” against Edgar (here’s an idea take the inferior fighter down and submit him). And GSP was greased or he’d have beaten him. Let’s see what happened when Hughes almost ripped his head off? What was the excuse then? Oh yea, he was coming off a bad cold. Enough of this nonsense. BJ Penn is a whiner. Did I ever tell you that I don’t like whiners? Yea, I think I did.

i too laugh at the notion of gsp diving for doubles on silva. say what you guys want about what youve heard about gsps wrestling, he does not want to make that bump up in weight to face silva…have we forgotten already the lesson gsp taught bj about size advantage?

Well, at least we can agree on this one my friend. Even meeting at a catch weight would be disastrous for GSP, and I like him as a fighter and how he represents himself as a human being (as we never really know these guys do we?)
[/quote]
No dumbass he broke his rib in the Hughes fight confirmed by a doctor after the fight. The fact that Anderson fought with one and still pulled out a W is even more impressive.[/quote]

So Matt Hugehs broke his (Penn’s) rib and we’re supposed to feel badly for Penn? You’ve missed yet one more point (just like on the many other threads that you show up and pollute). You can’t blame losing on your opponent hurting you in the fight. Does that make sense? “The only reason I lost was because my opponent broke my nose and bent my arm back.” Duh. The idea is to try to win by over powering your opponent. In that process sometimes your opponent gets hurt. And that’s WHY you win.

As to Silva, maybe he had a rib injury going into the fight and maybe he didn’t. My point, which has escaped you, is that you don’t bring up something like that, whether it happened or not as it makes you look like a weeny. Certainly you can understand what it feels like to look like a weeny right?

Okay, off you go, time for you to dumb down another thread with your sophomoric reflections, and insignificant insights. Run along.

[Big_Boss]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I give a lot of credit to Anderson Silva for hanging in there and fighting back to win. He proved himself a real champion last night. He took a tremendous beating for about 4 1/2 rounds. However, if nothing else comes from this I hope that the Silva hype comes down a notch. He’s far from an mma God. He’s no more invulnerable than Brock Lesnar, GSP and the rest of the UFC Champs (and of course Fedor, as we’ve seen). They can all be beaten on the right night by the right fighter. Just ask BJ Penn who Rogan used to tout as the “gifted one, the prodigy.” I really hate the hype that those in and around the UFC give to certain fighters. They get all the impressionable kids to believe that nonsense.

As to those thinking that GSP is going to fight Silva, don’t hold your breath, I don’t believe that it will happen. It would be a bad fight for GSP as he would be giving away too much size, height and natural weight. But, I would love to see another Sonnen/Silva fight. If anyone deserves a rematch it’s Sonnen. That might happen, what does everyone else think?

Well…I could see why people want a rematch. The only thing is that there was no controversy as to who won.[/quote]

As I’m sure you know controversy is only one reason to have a rematch. The fact that Sonnen beat “THE GREATEST MARTIAL ARTIST WHOEVER LIVED, OR THAT WILL EVER LIVE” from one side of the octagon to the other for 22:30 is probably another reason fro a rematch don’t you think?

I guess…if you count Sonnen acting as if he didn’t tap a controversy…I could see it.

I actually thought he handled that well. I think it’s probably a basic human reaction to come that close have to tap and then maybe wish you hadn’t (see Shamrock vs Gracie I). And after fighting as hard as he did he was probably half out of it. I give him credit for stepping up after the fight and telling Joe Rogan that he lost, came in second, and got the silver medal. By the way I also give Silva much credit for walking over to Sonnen after the fight and bowing, kneeling etc. They are two warriors no question.

[quote] I say only championship fights that were left in the hands of judges should get rematches.
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Really? And I say that anyone who is called the greatest pound for pound fighter in the world should not get bitch slapped for 4 1/2 rounds, come up a winner and not have to face that same guy again. It’s really for Anderson Silva. Let’s give Silva a chance to show the world that he really had a rib injury (eye roll) and that he was off his game against Sonnen (there had to be a logical reason right? No human being can do that to the great Anderson Silva right?) You don’t want to give him the opportunity to raise his fight status back up to God level? Gee that’s odd. Anyway, Silva being the great guy that we all know he is will be all for a rematch with Sonnen. Right?
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Hmmm…that thing they are pointing to doesn’t say P4P World Champion. But it does seem to have more value than a ranking system abused by MMA fanboys. And correct me if I’m wrong,but Silva still has that in his possession…and how come Sonnen doesn’t have it in his possession??

Let’s not forget what really matters.
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Where did I say anything to the contrary. In fact, it was me trying to tell some of you that exact thing when Lesnar beat Carwin in similar fashion. The only thing that counts is who wins in the end. Oh wait, it only matters when you actually like the fighter who wins. Oops…forgot.

I am surprised that you don’t want to see your man Silva try to climb back up to that lofty pedestal that you and others had him on. All he has to do is show that Sonnen was lucky for 4 1/2 rounds. No really a rematch would make money and I think the fans want to see it. At least most of the fans.
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If you’re referring to the God-like,P4P status…I could care less. That shit only matter’s in best fighter in the galaxy arguments…which mean nothing in reality. Although,I still think he’s best MW in the world. If Dana wants a rematch,I don’t see why Silva would turn it down.

Of course it will make money. People will be dying to see Chael repeat what he did last night…IF he can. On the flipside,people will be dying to see if a healthier(?) Silva can finish him earlier than the 5th round.

BUT more people are dying to see Silva vs. Belfort. That fight sells more,imo.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

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and why do you always got to bag on bj?[/quote]

He’s a whiner and I don’t like whiners. Hence, I always “bag on him.” Sorry.

he was jobbed in that last decision

Yes, he was “jobbed” against Edgar (here’s an idea take the inferior fighter down and submit him). And GSP was greased or he’d have beaten him. Let’s see what happened when Hughes almost ripped his head off? What was the excuse then? Oh yea, he was coming off a bad cold. Enough of this nonsense. BJ Penn is a whiner. Did I ever tell you that I don’t like whiners? Yea, I think I did.

i too laugh at the notion of gsp diving for doubles on silva. say what you guys want about what youve heard about gsps wrestling, he does not want to make that bump up in weight to face silva…have we forgotten already the lesson gsp taught bj about size advantage?

Well, at least we can agree on this one my friend. Even meeting at a catch weight would be disastrous for GSP, and I like him as a fighter and how he represents himself as a human being (as we never really know these guys do we?)
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No dumbass he broke his rib in the Hughes fight confirmed by a doctor after the fight. The fact that Anderson fought with one and still pulled out a W is even more impressive.[/quote]

So Matt Hugehs broke his (Penn’s) rib and we’re supposed to feel badly for Penn? You’ve missed yet one more point (just like on the many other threads that you show up and pollute). You can’t blame losing on your opponent hurting you in the fight. Does that make sense? “The only reason I lost was because my opponent broke my nose and bent my arm back.” Duh. The idea is to try to win by over powering your opponent. In that process sometimes your opponent gets hurt. And that’s WHY you win.

As to Silva, maybe he had a rib injury going into the fight and maybe he didn’t. My point, which has escaped you, is that you don’t bring up something like that, whether it happened or not as it makes you look like a weeny. Certainly you can understand what it feels like to look like a weeny right?

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Well then Mark Coleman was the best 205 pounder in 2006 according to your stupid logic. I mean he caused Shogun to break his arm right. I’m a weeny your a fucking tool, you need to shut up, you are not a fighter you just sit your fat pathetic ass typing about what the MW champion and one of the sport’s GOATS is allowed to say. Pleeease son time to get a reality check or a girlfriend.