If Hendo can’t beat Silva then I don’t think antbody will beat Silva at 185. Maybe Cung Le standing(I would love to see that) and maybe Misaki could give him fits standing as well, but they both lose on the ground. Frank Shamrock? Never gonna happen.
I am going to go with Hendo. I think he has the chin to get to Silva, ala Mark Hunt vs Mirko. If Dan can get top position on the ground then I think he can win this. I know the Nog brothers submitted Dan but those guys are pretty big and heavier than Dan.
As for defending the thai clinch it can be done just nobody in the UFC seems to know how or do not have enough experience beyond a two, three month training camp. Franklin kept pulling away. It was weird because he had Matt Hume in his corner and Matt has trained Sakurai. Little Mach Sakurai defended Silva’s clinch. I think it is just counter-intuitive for guys to come and push into the clinch. It has gotta be trained alot.
[quote]otoko wrote:
If Hendo can’t beat Silva then I don’t think antbody will beat Silva at 185. Maybe Cung Le standing(I would love to see that) and maybe Misaki could give him fits standing as well, but they both lose on the ground. Frank Shamrock? Never gonna happen.
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I’d love to see Cung Le fight Silva, though I agree that Silva would have the obvious advantage on the ground. And I’d love to see Frank fight Silva as well, but like you said, unless Silva leaves the UFC that fight will likely never happen.
Filho he trains with, and they won’t fight. But Filho got fucking rocked by Chael Sonnen on the feet so I don’t think he would have a chance anyways.
Frank would get killed. He also would never be signed by the UFC.
Lindland stands a better chance than anyone, but will never be resigned by the UFC.
The only up-and-comer, who’s more of a comeback, is Almeida. Big Dog is sick on the mat like no one else in that division, but doesn’t have the other tools to win.
Linland out of anybody would execute the game plan that could get a decision imo. Pretty easily too. If anyone can get him to the ground it would be linland, and if anyone can avoid the subs it would be him as well.
its not that i dont think that hendo can do that, he can, but i seriously doubt he will. in his interview with jim rome he really sounded like he was about to stand and bang with silva which is just dumb imo because he’d be depending basically on a lucky punch. technical ability vs technical ability standing with silva is NOT a good idea for him. Taking it to the mat is a good idea, he has a likelihood of getting subbed but he has a way higher probablity of pounding silva to a victory. Silva may not be as heavy as the Nogueria brothers or as ‘skilled’ but he has a similar skillset, understands the gameplan they used on the ground, is faster, and has the physical dimensions necessary to give ANYONE fits on the ground.
ever grapple with someone with long limbs? fucking frustrating.
And yes Hendo is far far better than leben, but really what does he bring that leben didn’t. A supposed “granite chin and a big right hand”
I forgot about that flash of brilliance in the 1st round of the rampage/hendo fight. But that didn’t last very long did it. Still that fight could have gone either way imo.
Dont get me wrong hendo is an animal obviously but i think Silva is just on a complete other level.
Frank would get killed, Filho could probably give him fits on the ground but the height/length difference would end up with him getting picked apart standing, Rich Franklin wants to fight him again (hahahha), Robbie Lawler would be a good fight but i think he’d lose pretty decisively…
Who i think should drop to 185 (because he’s kinda light for 205 anyway), and would give Silva a run for his money.
SHOGUN.
if shogun loses against chuck, mark my words he’ll probably drop to 185 and take the belt from silva.
Edit, im trippin, no one said shit about wanderlei
oh and cung le vs. silva would be a good fight. Cung can stand with silva wont be able to deal with strikes from the clinch that well but once in clinch range he can take silva down pretty much at will i’m betting. On the ground though silva would all but legalize rape so kind of a moot point. Good fight but imo silva by whatever he feels like.
and vanderlei silva does NOT have a good clinch. Effective yes, but not NEARLY as technical as silva’s
silva utilized stuff you see in lumpinee fights… he’d get double neck tie, knee, transition to one cross neck, straight right to body, right upper cut, switch arms, up kick, back to double neck tie in the span of (i slowed it down and watched the clock) 2 maybe 3 seconds…that is stupidly fast…there was no lapse in his technique, thats all instinct.
silva is just double neck tie, pull you down, and skip knees essentially. Anyone with a striking background will point out that silva is effective but not technical at all. He’s just TOUGH as fuck, EXTREMELY powerful, and has a killer instinct unparalleled by anyone except maybe fedor.
Takes nothing away from him but comparing their clinch is apples and oranges.
Who i think should drop to 185 (because he’s kinda light for 205 anyway), and would give Silva a run for his money.
SHOGUN.
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Shogun’s not a bad choice.
The guy who I would LOVE to see drop down to fight Silva is Lyoto Machida. The ultra slick Muay Thai striker versus the ultra slick Karate striker. That would be an amazing fight. Unfortunately, Machida also trains with Silva, so that fight is no more likely than a Filho fight.
I think Melvin Manhouef destroys Silva standing. Silva would have to get Melvin on the ground.
Silva’s clinch is great but I think his opponents are so bad in the clinch is what the problem is. You don’t really see such domination in the clinch between two professional Muay Thai/Dutch kickboxers.
Manhoef is a fun fighter. He punches like a dump truck going downhill. That might be the only fight that Anderson Silva would have to take to the ground.
[quote]otoko wrote:
I think Melvin Manhouef destroys Silva standing. Silva would have to get Melvin on the ground. [/quote]
Melvin would not ‘destroy’ Anderson.
I love watching Melvin fight, but he struggled to get past Cyborg Santos not too long ago, and Silva is a lot longer and a lot better technically than Cyborg. I think Silva’s length and his ridiculously accurate jab would give the 5’8" Manhoef all kinds of problems.
I see that fight being a back and forth war on the feet, with Silva pulling out the win after a scramble/knockdown brings the fight to the ground. I could also see Silva knocking Manhoef out if Melvin gasses out like he did versus Cyborg.
I like melvin but im with Steve on this one… if Melvin gets inside silva’s range he’ll have to take quite a few shots to the dome to do it and might get put out cause of it.
and im changing my name to silva apparently there’s some magic to that shit. “Now entering the cage is Silva “The Silva” Silva!”
Hmmm…this talk of Manhoef makes me wonder how Yoshihiro Akiyama would match up against Silva. That is if Akiyama’s mind is right and he can play “fair.” People hate that dude…but he’s a good fighter.
Who i think should drop to 185 (because he’s kinda light for 205 anyway), and would give Silva a run for his money.
SHOGUN.
Shogun’s not a bad choice.
The guy who I would LOVE to see drop down to fight Silva is Lyoto Machida. The ultra slick Muay Thai striker versus the ultra slick Karate striker. That would be an amazing fight. Unfortunately, Machida also trains with Silva, so that fight is no more likely than a Filho fight.[/quote]
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Hmmm…this talk of Manhoef makes me wonder how Yoshihiro Akiyama would match up against Silva. That is if Akiyama’s mind is right and he can play “fair.” People hate that dude…but he’s a good fighter.[/quote]
Yeah he’s great. He was very unlucky against Misaki. Excellent standup considering he’s from a Judo background.