[quote]Donut62 wrote:
I agree with the above comments, I have defended Herb Dean time and time again but giving a fighter a timeout when he’s obviously in trouble was out of this world incompetence. Then he went on to further the matter by taking a point away from Gonzaga without a warning for the fence. It came across like he realized he had just given Napao a break, and wanted to give him one back to even things out. Two wrongs don’t make a right, it was shitty, shitty work by Dean. At least he got the stop right.
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I’ve only seen the fight once but thought Herb handled it quite well, all things considered.
I mean, Gonzaga stopped fighting, which threw everybody. Another ref might well have stopped it on hearing the words “I can’t see.” It would have been shit! But it was not a crucial position. They were both stood still. Herb asked him if he could continue, he said yes, so he restarted it in the same position. Just imagine if he’d stopped the fight. It would have been very disappointing.
I agree the point for the fence grab was making up for the mistake, but he made the best out of a bad situation.
[quote]andymkb wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
Someone please explain to me how 2 judges could give a round to Koscheck in that fight against GSP? He did nothing in my eyes to win round 1, which could be the only round possibly scored in his favor because he clearly lost 2 and 3. GSP truly dominated that fight and beat Koscheck at his own game.
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I was a bit surprised by that too, the only things I can think of are that with the benefit of television cameras we can see what’s going on all the time whereas I assume the judges are viewing from a fixed point and may be unsighted at times so I can understand how maybe one of them at any given moment could be unable to see whether what one fighter or the other is doing is actually effective while on the ground.
Alternatively it may just be that he edged it in the minds of a couple of them because he finished the round on top.[/quote]
In the first it could be argued that they were equal in that they both scored a takedown but in a 10 point must system, you could argue that Koscheck was more aggressive standing.
The scoring of the stevenson v pelegrino fight was more confusing. 30-27 on all 3 cards? what fight were they watching?
Randy is beyond studly. Un-freaking-believable! That was a great fight, and a great undercard too.
When both Randy and Gonzaga were in the ring before the fight started, when the announcer was doing all the ballyhoo and introducing them I looked at Randy’s physique as he was standing there and could NOT believe the man was 44. Couldn’t believe it.
[quote]Damici wrote:
Randy is beyond studly. Un-freaking-believable! That was a great fight, and a great undercard too.
When both Randy and Gonzaga were in the ring before the fight started, when the announcer was doing all the ballyhoo and introducing them I looked at Randy’s physique as he was standing there and could NOT believe the man was 44. Couldn’t believe it.
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If you look at the end of the fight, right be fore the ring announcer is about to do his thing - you can see him get in Randy’s ears and tell him “That was the most incredible thing I have ever seen”.
I think it’s funny that, before the fight, almost everyone said that they love Randy, but he doesn’t have much of a shot against Gonzaga. Now that the fight is over almost everyone is saying that they can’t believe they ever doubted Couture.
Not that he’s the type that would give a shit, but you gotta wonder if Randy didn’t flip us all a mental bird on the way back to the locker room last night.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Damici wrote:
Randy is beyond studly. Un-freaking-believable! That was a great fight, and a great undercard too.
When both Randy and Gonzaga were in the ring before the fight started, when the announcer was doing all the ballyhoo and introducing them I looked at Randy’s physique as he was standing there and could NOT believe the man was 44. Couldn’t believe it.
If you look at the end of the fight, right be fore the ring announcer is about to do his thing - you can see him get in Randy’s ears and tell him “That was the most incredible thing I have ever seen”.
I think it’s funny that, before the fight, almost everyone said that they love Randy, but he doesn’t have much of a shot against Gonzaga. Now that the fight is over almost everyone is saying that they can’t believe they ever doubted Couture.
Not that he’s the type that would give a shit, but you gotta wonder if Randy didn’t flip us all a mental bird on the way back to the locker room last night. [/quote]
No doubt in my mind that Randy uses the underdog status as fuel for the fire when he’s training. I don’t think it bothers him that he’s picked to lose so often, because as an analyst himself, he’d likely favor the opponent in a lot of the fights, but I’m sure he does use it as motivation.
Like I said, I learned my lesson after the Sylvia fight, so I was glad I was finally on the right side of the coin.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
First of all you don’t stop a fight because one of the participants looks you in the eye and says, “I can’t see”.
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This is the exact thing that ended the fight between Liddell and Horn. He said “I can’t see” and the fight was over. That should have been the end of Saturday’s fight.
Herb Dean did give him a warning in a previous round about grabbing the fence and he did it again.
Did anyone see Babalu’s fight? What kind of shit is that?
This might be a stupid question, and I would assume the answer is yes, but given how much these guys sometimes bleed all over each other in these fights, are they each required to have an HIV test right before the fight? I would hope so . . . .
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
AdamC wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
I agree with the above comments, I have defended Herb Dean time and time again but giving a fighter a timeout when he’s obviously in trouble was out of this world incompetence. Then he went on to further the matter by taking a point away from Gonzaga without a warning for the fence. It came across like he realized he had just given Napao a break, and wanted to give him one back to even things out. Two wrongs don’t make a right, it was shitty, shitty work by Dean. At least he got the stop right.
I’ve only seen the fight once but thought Herb handled it quite well, all things considered.
I mean, Gonzaga stopped fighting, which threw everybody. Another ref might well have stopped it on hearing the words “I can’t see.” It would have been shit! But it was not a crucial position. They were both stood still. Herb asked him if he could continue, he said yes, so he restarted it in the same position. Just imagine if he’d stopped the fight. It would have been very disappointing.
I agree the point for the fence grab was making up for the mistake, but he made the best out of a bad situation.
What are you smoking?
Herb Dean is the worst mma ref in the business. First of all you don’t stop a fight because one of the participants looks you in the eye and says, “I can’t see”.
DUH.
That could have been devastating to the other fighter. What if it gave the cry baby a chance to rest and that turned the fight around? How many of you who had bet on Couture would have been screaming about Dean today had this happened?
There is something that mma has that boxing does not, and that is the tap out. If the guy can’t see then he can tap out and end the fight. Deans response to the complaint should have been “keep fighting, or tap out.”
Herb Dean needs to be fired.
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You are a fucking idiot. Herb Dean is a great ref. You never have to worry about a premature stoppage. Go watch some more TUF reruns jackass.
[quote]Damici wrote:
This might be a stupid question, and I would assume the answer is yes, but given how much these guys sometimes bleed all over each other in these fights, are they each required to have an HIV test right before the fight? I would hope so . . . .
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A lot of things take a long time to show up in blood tests.
I think with the newer DNA-based type of HIV testing, which is supposedly the gold standard, most accurate method (but also most expensive), it can be detected pretty much immediately.
With the other version of testing (I forget what it’s called) it could take up to 6 months for it to show up, i.e. you could’ve been infected 5 months ago and it still wouldn’t have shown up on the test (old method).
But the newer, DNA-based method, which is what the adult video industry uses to test their actors/actresses, is supposedly pretty rock-solid, and can detect HIV even if you were just infected, if I’m not mistaken.
[quote]Chewie wrote:
Damici wrote:
This might be a stupid question, and I would assume the answer is yes, but given how much these guys sometimes bleed all over each other in these fights, are they each required to have an HIV test right before the fight? I would hope so . . . .
A lot of things take a long time to show up in blood tests.
You are a fucking idiot. Herb Dean is a great ref. You never have to worry about a premature stoppage. Go watch some more TUF reruns jackass.
I can understand your point, but remember when you’re 14 years old sometimes things can get all confusing to you. Now run along and let the adults discuss this.
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Did the other 8th graders actually think that was funny? You are obviously an MMA mental midget.