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[quote]DN90 wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Totenkopf wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:

[quote]StevenF wrote:
maybe had a large chunk of change bet on weidman? hmmm? [/quote]
Is it true that UFC fighters pretty much make shit for pay? If so I would not be surprised at all if that were true[/quote]
Silva made $600,000 in his last fight and considered by many (not me) as the greatest fighter of all time. Mayweather jr made $32,000,000 in his last fight and has never been brought up in the discussion as a great fighter. If that doen’t tell you how the UFC and Dana White operates, I dont know what else to tell you.[/quote]

That boxing, as dead as many believe it is, is still much more of a major draw than the UFC?

Anyone know the number of PPV buys for each of their last fights?[/quote]

There was a lot of talk about Mayweather-Guerrero doing less than a million buys. And apparently with all of the promotion done the fight had to break 1.2 million buys to make a profit.

Dana White said that Weidman-Silva was trending in the 800k region. And this title fight wasn’t nearly as well promoted as Silva-Sonnen, or GSP-Diaz, or even Jones-Sonnen.

The rematch between Silva and Weidman will for sure do better than the first match. Of course, so will Mayweather-Alvarez.

Also: almost no one under 25 really cares about boxing where I am. And pretty much every guy under 25 who watches sports knows about the big UFC fights (GSP, Silva, Jones, etc.). [/quote]

Those are all good points.

At the end of the day, look at the salaries for boxing vs UFC, and then look at which business is doing well and which isnt. Its very likely that the fact that the UFC isnt paying their great fighters 10 million per fight is part of the reason why theyre so successful. Not to mention the UFC has a dozen fighters who are all considered super stars, while boxing only has what, 2?

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Blah blah blah blah blah blah[/quote]

Dayuuuuuuuum @ your avatar.

Mmmmm…

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
LOL, yeah, Fedor gets cut badly and the Doc stops it, Anderson KO’s a guy he was already dominating with an illegal kick, (and later dominated Okami fair and square) but it doesnt count?
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You do seem to have not watched the fight.
It’s not a TKO-cut.
The cut was from an illegal headbutt. Since it was a tourney, the japanese decided to make it a “loss”, so their japanese fighter winkwink could proceed to the next bracket and also build a story.
On the other hand, one cannot ignore a clear foul and there’s no two sides to this specific upkick.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
The difference between Anderson and Fedor is that Anderson COULD clown these guys and still win in embarrassingly devastating fashion. Fedor could not. In fact, many of his wins, even against lesser opponents, were come-from-behind victories.
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Two reasons: AS was not as dominant in his first career half by far, in contrast to Fedor. There’s no “embarrassingly devastating fashion” there. In some fights he was just “ok”.
Also, being physically equal or stronger as well as a counterpuncher helps with looking devastating.
Fedor was always smaller and the aggressor. Big difference.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Fedor and Anderson were roughly the same age when they fought Hendo. Anderson whooped Henderson, Fedor got KO’d in a round. Theres one good comparison for you, HW or not.
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True. And Hendo is one hell of an opponent.
But styles make fights. Fedor’s style is a great matchup for Hendo.
Machida or Anderson, not so much. Also, everybody ages differently. Fedor’s meanness was already gone, while Anderson ages like a good wine.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Literally, the last solid contender that Fedor fought that didnt whoop him was Cro Cop in 2005! After that, Mark Hunt? UFC rejected versions of Arlovski and Sylvia? the MW Matt Lindland? HMC?!?!?
In that same time frame, Anderson has dominant wins over Franklin, Hendo, Okami, Marquardt, Sonnen, Maia, Forrest, ALL at a time when these guys were top 10, if not top 5, in their division. And when he did fight cans, such as James Irvin and Stephen Bonnar, he beat them in ways that no one had ever been able to before. Hell, his first loss in the UFC came not because he was outmatched like Fedor was, but because he acted like a godam fool.
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lol, let’s agree to disagree

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Since it is rumoured that Anderson has accepted a rematch, I’ll expect him to come focused, with guard up, and cockiness down a few notches. No more shenanigans and wobbly legs dance, with chin exposed.

Respect your opponent and then beat the shit out of him.

A focused Silva can decimate anything on his path. It’ll be awesome to see him reclaim his belt and retire. Truly epic.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Since it is rumoured that Anderson has accepted a rematch, I’ll expect him to come focused, with guard up, and cockiness down a few notches. No more shenanigans and wobbly legs dance, with chin exposed.

Respect your opponent and then beat the shit out of him.

A focused Silva can decimate anything on his path. It’ll be awesome to see him reclaim his belt and retire. Truly epic.[/quote]

I didn’t watch the fight and it’s a bit difficult to see, was it the backhand that caught him or the punch directly after?

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
LOL, yeah, Fedor gets cut badly and the Doc stops it, Anderson KO’s a guy he was already dominating with an illegal kick, (and later dominated Okami fair and square) but it doesnt count?
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You do seem to have not watched the fight.
It’s not a TKO-cut.
The cut was from an illegal headbutt. Since it was a tourney, the japanese decided to make it a “loss”, so their japanese fighter winkwink could proceed to the next bracket and also build a story.
On the other hand, one cannot ignore a clear foul and there’s no two sides to this specific upkick.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
The difference between Anderson and Fedor is that Anderson COULD clown these guys and still win in embarrassingly devastating fashion. Fedor could not. In fact, many of his wins, even against lesser opponents, were come-from-behind victories.
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Two reasons: AS was not as dominant in his first career half by far, in contrast to Fedor. There’s no “embarrassingly devastating fashion” there. In some fights he was just “ok”.
Also, being physically equal or stronger as well as a counterpuncher helps with looking devastating.
Fedor was always smaller and the aggressor. Big difference.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Fedor and Anderson were roughly the same age when they fought Hendo. Anderson whooped Henderson, Fedor got KO’d in a round. Theres one good comparison for you, HW or not.
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True. And Hendo is one hell of an opponent.
But styles make fights. Fedor’s style is a great matchup for Hendo.
Machida or Anderson, not so much. Also, everybody ages differently. Fedor’s meanness was already gone, while Anderson ages like a good wine.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Literally, the last solid contender that Fedor fought that didnt whoop him was Cro Cop in 2005! After that, Mark Hunt? UFC rejected versions of Arlovski and Sylvia? the MW Matt Lindland? HMC?!?!?
In that same time frame, Anderson has dominant wins over Franklin, Hendo, Okami, Marquardt, Sonnen, Maia, Forrest, ALL at a time when these guys were top 10, if not top 5, in their division. And when he did fight cans, such as James Irvin and Stephen Bonnar, he beat them in ways that no one had ever been able to before. Hell, his first loss in the UFC came not because he was outmatched like Fedor was, but because he acted like a godam fool.
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lol, let’s agree to disagree[/quote]

As is the case with all of these arguments, we’re gonna have to agree to disagree. But do you honestly think Fedor fought any top comp since his bout with CC in 2005 that didnt beat him? Lindland was still a top 10 fighter when they matched but he was also a MW, and technically Fedor cheated (though he likely was going to win that one anyway)

Also, Anderson’s first half of his career is nothing compared to what hes done since coming to the UFC, but it was still pretty darn good. Wins over Newton and Sakarai back in the early 2000’s are pretty damn notable. He was also pretty dominant against Horn and Lee Murray who if you look at their records at the time, were very dominant themselves.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Since it is rumoured that Anderson has accepted a rematch, I’ll expect him to come focused, with guard up, and cockiness down a few notches. No more shenanigans and wobbly legs dance, with chin exposed.

Respect your opponent and then beat the shit out of him.

A focused Silva can decimate anything on his path. It’ll be awesome to see him reclaim his belt and retire. Truly epic.[/quote]

I didn’t watch the fight and it’s a bit difficult to see, was it the backhand that caught him or the punch directly after?[/quote]

Right afterwards. It didnt look like much but it literally caught him right on the chin and if you find some of the pictures with better angles out there, his head completely twisted to the opposite direction he was leaning. Actually, had he not tried to back up and just ate the punch, he probably wouldve been fine.

He may be the best defensive striker in MMA, but part of that defensive game relies on luck, and his ran out right there.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Since it is rumoured that Anderson has accepted a rematch, I’ll expect him to come focused, with guard up, and cockiness down a few notches. No more shenanigans and wobbly legs dance, with chin exposed.

Respect your opponent and then beat the shit out of him.

A focused Silva can decimate anything on his path. It’ll be awesome to see him reclaim his belt and retire. Truly epic.[/quote]

I was so pissed after this fight. I don’t really like Silva after the Maia incident, but there is no denying he is the greatest fighter in the world right now, I think GOAT. If he is going to lose, at least make the guy beat him. Don’t play games. His fights were far more exciting when it was ding strike, stike, clench, knee, stop. That’s the Silva I want back.

Plus I would actually like to see him engage a little more instead of relying so heavily on the counter. Maybe if he would go in planning on attacking we wouldn’t risk Leitis (sp) or Cote repeats. That Cote fight was really the first one where he got content to sit around and not engage, but when he does engage its fantastic.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Since it is rumoured that Anderson has accepted a rematch, I’ll expect him to come focused, with guard up, and cockiness down a few notches. No more shenanigans and wobbly legs dance, with chin exposed.

Respect your opponent and then beat the shit out of him.

A focused Silva can decimate anything on his path. It’ll be awesome to see him reclaim his belt and retire. Truly epic.[/quote]

I was so pissed after this fight. I don’t really like Silva after the Maia incident, but there is no denying he is the greatest fighter in the world right now, I think GOAT. If he is going to lose, at least make the guy beat him. Don’t play games. His fights were far more exciting when it was ding strike, stike, clench, knee, stop. That’s the Silva I want back.

Plus I would actually like to see him engage a little more instead of relying so heavily on the counter. Maybe if he would go in planning on attacking we wouldn’t risk Leitis (sp) or Cote repeats. That Cote fight was really the first one where he got content to sit around and not engage, but when he does engage its fantastic. [/quote]

My hope is that his change of heart regarding the rematch was brought about by him hearing all his fans get pissed at him for acting like a damn clown. If thats his motivation, maybe it means he’ll come in and get straight to business like the Anderson everyone came to fear.

I agree about him losing handily rather than beating himself as well. I accept that no one can stay undefeated in MMA, not even Anderson. But if he loses, i want it to be to the next Jon Jones, or hell i’d even rather see Vitor get him in a rematch than see him basically hand the fight to the relatively untested Weidman.

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I mean I don’t care who beats him honestly. I was actually excited to watch this PPV when I heard he lost until I heard how he lost. That just gave me a WTF feeling and I don’t think I am alone there. When people pay to watch the best fighter in the world that’s what they want to see, no someone acting a fool. I still really want to see Silva-Jones (I think Jones will win), but only if I get Rich Franklin’s nightmare Silva.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Since it is rumoured that Anderson has accepted a rematch, I’ll expect him to come focused, with guard up, and cockiness down a few notches. No more shenanigans and wobbly legs dance, with chin exposed.

Respect your opponent and then beat the shit out of him.

A focused Silva can decimate anything on his path. It’ll be awesome to see him reclaim his belt and retire. Truly epic.[/quote]

I was so pissed after this fight. I don’t really like Silva after the Maia incident, but there is no denying he is the greatest fighter in the world right now, I think GOAT. If he is going to lose, at least make the guy beat him. Don’t play games. His fights were far more exciting when it was ding strike, stike, clench, knee, stop. That’s the Silva I want back.

Plus I would actually like to see him engage a little more instead of relying so heavily on the counter. Maybe if he would go in planning on attacking we wouldn’t risk Leitis (sp) or Cote repeats. That Cote fight was really the first one where he got content to sit around and not engage, but when he does engage its fantastic. [/quote]

Anderson clowning of Maia got me fuckingfurious. He did apologise for his behaviour though and, I really thought he’d be done with that shit. The fight with Weidman was just over the top. Anderson was just busy fucking with Weidman’s mind, and that didn’t work on Anderson’s favour that time.

I hope Anderson accepts the rematch and, should he accept it, he hopefully shows up as an aggressive striker and counter-striker. I wish the Silva who fucked up Franklin and Leben comes back. That’ll be fucking epic.

Weidman better watch out.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

only if I get Rich Franklin’s nightmare Silva.[/quote]

I want to watch any Anderson Silva fight if that’s the Silva that shows up. I don’t even care if it’s a 30 second fight. All I want is the animal back.

IF (and I am not convinced he’s actually going to focus again) Silva decides to focus and bring the business Weidman is dead man. Dead.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

only if I get Rich Franklin’s nightmare Silva.[/quote]

I want to watch any Anderson Silva fight if that’s the Silva that shows up. I don’t even care if it’s a 30 second fight. All I want is the animal back.

IF (and I am not convinced he’s actually going to focus again) Silva decides to focus and bring the business Weidman is dead man. Dead.[/quote]

Unforunately im with you in that im not convinced he will stop clowning so much. The last time we caught a good glimpse of that Anderson was against Okami, but for every unbelievably impressive performance, he seems to follow it up with a shitty one. The Thales Leites fight, the Maia fight, now this Weidman business.

Hopefully he comes out like he did after the Maia fight when everyone was pissed at him and he put the most embarrassing beat down ever on Forrest.

EDIT: Forrest fought Silva after Silva defended against Leites, not Maia. Same frickin fight basically…

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
he put the most embarrassing beat down ever on Forrest. [/quote]

…and that was an epic beat down too. It was so bad Forrest had to run from the cage. Lost a lot of respect for Griffin after that fight.

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[quote]MWP wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
he put the most embarrassing beat down ever on Forrest. [/quote]

…and that was an epic beat down too. It was so bad Forrest had to run from the cage. Lost a lot of respect for Griffin after that fight.[/quote]

Forrest looked freaking terrible that fight. He has never been the most technical fighter but he looked like a drunk at a bar trying to brawl. I am still not convinced that he wasn’t “instructed” to attack at all costs because they needed to do damage control on the Silva brand.

I even gave Silva the benefit of the doubt after the Leites fiasco because it is hard to fight someone that flops every single time you get with arms reach. The fight before that against Patrick Cote was really the first time he fought someone that wouldn’t just attack and it turned into this word dance around with the occasional kick thrown until Cote blew his knee out stepping back in the third. Had he not done that we probably would have seen a less exciting fight that Arlovski-Sylvia 3.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]MWP wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
he put the most embarrassing beat down ever on Forrest. [/quote]

…and that was an epic beat down too. It was so bad Forrest had to run from the cage. Lost a lot of respect for Griffin after that fight.[/quote]

Forrest looked freaking terrible that fight. He has never been the most technical fighter but he looked like a drunk at a bar trying to brawl. I am still not convinced that he wasn’t “instructed” to attack at all costs because they needed to do damage control on the Silva brand.

I even gave Silva the benefit of the doubt after the Leites fiasco because it is hard to fight someone that flops every single time you get with arms reach. The fight before that against Patrick Cote was really the first time he fought someone that wouldn’t just attack and it turned into this word dance around with the occasional kick thrown until Cote blew his knee out stepping back in the third. Had he not done that we probably would have seen a less exciting fight that Arlovski-Sylvia 3. [/quote]

Yeah, the Leites fight was frustrating cause it seemed that Anderson could have finished it at any time, but no one else has ever been so completely unwilling to engage with Anderson.

The Maia fight was all Anderson’s fault. No excuses there. Maia was outmatched, but he did what he could.

The Cote fight likely would have gone to a boring UD for Silva, similar to the Leites fight.

Also, Forrest fought the way he always does when he fought Silva. He didnt look good at all because he never got the chance to get anything going, and really, most of his game is about straight punches, being big and being scrappy, and thats a horrible matchup for facing Silva, whatd you expect?

I also agree that i lost a lot of respect for Forrest after that fight. AND after the KO loss to Dean of mean, he did the same crybaby shit. Fighters lose, you dont see anyone else throwing temper tantrums and then running out of the cage humiliated everytime they lose. He almost did the same thing against Rampage before the decision was announced. You could literally see him getting frustrated and ready to bolt right before they said his name.

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Forrest has always seemed to me like he is like right on the verge of a manic episode at any moment. I like Forrest but I think he has got some serious head case issues going on.

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Silva leaves behind one of the best legacies in my mind even though he didn’t give a fuck. I hate Machida’s evasive style there was always more to Anderson’s because he was creative and had potential to seemingly end a fight at any time.
St pierre trumps him and it sucks that we won’t see that fight.

I was also surprised that Lesnar didn’t come back for a rematch against Velasquez, I guess he has his money now and can’t be bothered but man Vasques is a very impressive fighter going up against that good of an opponent would probably mind fuck alot of fighters

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Had Lesnar not had the health issues, I think he would have gotten better as a fighter. I was actually kind of disappointed that his career ended the way that it did.

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[quote]Jlabs wrote:
Silva leaves behind one of the best legacies in my mind even though he didn’t give a fuck. I hate Machida’s evasive style there was always more to Anderson’s because he was creative and had potential to seemingly end a fight at any time.
St pierre trumps him and it sucks that we won’t see that fight.

I was also surprised that Lesnar didn’t come back for a rematch against Velasquez, I guess he has his money now and can’t be bothered but man Vasques is a very impressive fighter going up against that good of an opponent would probably mind fuck alot of fighters[/quote]

The Silva fight was extremely dangerous for GSP. Im sure St Pierre is sleeping better knowing that people will stop calling for that one now.

And what surprised you about Brock not coming back? After his bout with diverticulitis he never seemed the same. Seemed like he was merely collecting a paycheck rather than showing up to compete. The Lesnar that fought Cain and Overeem was not the same Lesnar that terrorized Mir and Herring.