FTR, unless Jones goes unbeaten for the next 2 or 3 years, Anderson STILL has the most impressive legacy in MMA history. Not even Fedor can claim to have been as dominant, like it or not.
[quote]DN90 wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
He got caught, Period! No real testament to his deminished skills or Weidman’s talent. Silva may be done, he may truly be tired. And remember walking away after one bad fight is not completely unheard of if not rare.
Haglar walked and never looked back. I even remember what he said. “it’s hard to wake up at 5 am and do road work when you’re wearing Silk pajamas”. Sometimes even a warior gets tired[/quote]
This.
Also, people are really letting Silva have it. I wasn’t a huge fan of the guy but I gotta feel bad for him there. What lost him the fight last night is the same thing that made his fights so exciting.
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You guys and your god damn ass gif avatars…my lord.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
As a massive Anderson Silva fan, im not even that upset. Just disappointed.
I hate to say it, but i cant help but feel he got what he deserved. Even in that fight, he showed me enough to make me believe that he can crush Weidman in a rematch, but if he’s not gonna take it seriously, i dont want to see it. His clowning was so fucking outrageous that night that even if he won i wouldve been pissed. Normally he looks untouchable, saturday he just looked like a fucking idiot.
If he really has no desire to fight for the belt again i hope he retires.
I dont think Weidman can hold the belt long against guys like Vitor, Jacare, Kennedy and Bisping. Most people dont want to admit it, but the MW division is pretty damn strong right now. [/quote]
If you watched Like Water, which is a documentary about the run-up to his first fight with Sonnen, he seemed like he was really burnt out on the whole thing, and that was almost 3 years ago. Maybe now that he finally lost he’ll get the fire back, but I doubt it. Beating Weidman isn’t going to enhance his legacy in any way, at least not to me. Everyone KNOWS he can beat him if he doesn’t fuck around like an asshole. So what’s the point?
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
As a massive Anderson Silva fan, im not even that upset. Just disappointed.
I hate to say it, but i cant help but feel he got what he deserved. Even in that fight, he showed me enough to make me believe that he can crush Weidman in a rematch, but if he’s not gonna take it seriously, i dont want to see it. His clowning was so fucking outrageous that night that even if he won i wouldve been pissed. Normally he looks untouchable, saturday he just looked like a fucking idiot.
If he really has no desire to fight for the belt again i hope he retires.
I dont think Weidman can hold the belt long against guys like Vitor, Jacare, Kennedy and Bisping. Most people dont want to admit it, but the MW division is pretty damn strong right now. [/quote]
If you watched Like Water, which is a documentary about the run-up to his first fight with Sonnen, he seemed like he was really burnt out on the whole thing, and that was almost 3 years ago. Maybe now that he finally lost he’ll get the fire back, but I doubt it. Beating Weidman isn’t going to enhance his legacy in any way, at least not to me. Everyone KNOWS he can beat him if he doesn’t fuck around like an asshole. So what’s the point?[/quote]
Im basically in agreement. Hell, even Weidman knows that he got that one a bit easy.
Like i said, if Anderson is serious about not wanting the belt anymore, then he should just retire. I dont want to see him turn into some exhibition fighter to add hype to weak cards, like he did with bonnar.
Part of me honestly thinks Anderson didnt care if he lost, that he threw caution to the wind and just decided that whatever happens, happens. Dont know why he couldnt just school the guy and then retire on top if hes so burnt out on it. Fuckin guy pisses me off.
All my hopes pretty much rest with Bones now, not much a fan of any of the other champs.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[…] Anderson STILL has the most impressive legacy in MMA history. Not even Fedor can claim to have been as dominant, like it or not. [/quote]
Easy there, cowboy.
Fedor = the Goat, unbeaten for ten years as a heavy
[quote]The Anchor wrote:
[quote]DN90 wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
He got caught, Period! No real testament to his deminished skills or Weidman’s talent. Silva may be done, he may truly be tired. And remember walking away after one bad fight is not completely unheard of if not rare.
Haglar walked and never looked back. I even remember what he said. “it’s hard to wake up at 5 am and do road work when you’re wearing Silk pajamas”. Sometimes even a warior gets tired[/quote]
This.
Also, people are really letting Silva have it. I wasn’t a huge fan of the guy but I gotta feel bad for him there. What lost him the fight last night is the same thing that made his fights so exciting.
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You guys and your god damn ass gif avatars…my lord.[/quote]
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[…] Anderson STILL has the most impressive legacy in MMA history. Not even Fedor can claim to have been as dominant, like it or not. [/quote]
Easy there, cowboy.
Fedor = the Goat, unbeaten for ten years as a heavy[/quote]
I thought Silva had 11yrs. Also which division had the best talent during those years?
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[…] Anderson STILL has the most impressive legacy in MMA history. Not even Fedor can claim to have been as dominant, like it or not. [/quote]
Easy there, cowboy.
Fedor = the Goat, unbeaten for ten years as a heavy[/quote]
Fedor made the latter half of his career on cans, finally started fighting decent competition and got handled. At least Anderson can say he only has himself to blame for this loss.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[…] Anderson STILL has the most impressive legacy in MMA history. Not even Fedor can claim to have been as dominant, like it or not. [/quote]
Easy there, cowboy.
Fedor = the Goat, unbeaten for ten years as a heavy[/quote]
I thought Silva had 11yrs. Also which division had the best talent during those years? [/quote]
If you dont count Silva’s DQ loss to Okami (a fight he was dominating) then he hasnt lost since 2004. I think thats fair seeing as all Fedor fans ignore his cut loss.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[…] Anderson STILL has the most impressive legacy in MMA history. Not even Fedor can claim to have been as dominant, like it or not. [/quote]
Easy there, cowboy.
Fedor = the Goat, unbeaten for ten years as a heavy[/quote]
I thought Silva had 11yrs. Also which division had the best talent during those years? [/quote]
If you dont count Silva’s DQ loss to Okami (a fight he was dominating) then he hasnt lost since 2004. I think thats fair seeing as all Fedor fans ignore his cut loss. [/quote]
See it’s shit like this that will have me watching old fight tapes till 1am
In a nutshell:
- “Cans” is relative, Anderson had his fill of bums (Fryklund? Curtis Stout?)
- While Fedor had really gimmicky fights, heavyweight division carries the most risk. While UFC champs simply would fight less often, the fans got more Fedor fights. It’s not like Fedor had much to gain from them.
- … and Fedor was an aggresive finisher in such a KO prone division. Never stalling, showboating, bullshitting, trashtalking.
- Fedor was consistently outranged and outweighted -often massively so- in the division that allows for the biggest discrepancy and (usually) no cutting magic. Anderson may have more lbm then Fedor, easily.
- Anderson enyjoyed 7 years of domination; Fedor 10
- no, the cut vs TK doesn’t count; yes, the Spider’s loss vs Okami is legit, he totally fouled his opponent, no way around this
- Anderson is still a superstud and No2 goat (No3 is probably Saku)
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
In a nutshell:
- “Cans” is relative, Anderson had his fill of bums (Fryklund? Curtis Stout?)
- While Fedor had really gimmicky fights, heavyweight division carries the most risk. While UFC champs simply would fight less often, the fans got more Fedor fights. It’s not like Fedor had much to gain from them.
- … and Fedor was an aggresive finisher in such a KO prone division. Never stalling, showboating, bullshitting, trashtalking.
- Fedor was consistently outranged and outweighted -often massively so- in the division that allows for the biggest discrepancy and (usually) no cutting magic. Anderson may have more lbm then Fedor, easily.
- Anderson enyjoyed 7 years of domination; Fedor 10
- no, the cut vs TK doesn’t count; yes, the Spider’s loss vs Okami is legit, he totally fouled his opponent, no way around this
- Anderson is still a superstud and No2 goat (No3 is probably Saku)
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LOL, yeah, Fedor gets cut badly and the Doc stops it, Anderson KO’s a guy he was already dominating with an illegal kick, (and later dominated Okami fair and square) but it doesnt count?
The difference between Anderson and Fedor is that Anderson COULD clown these guys and still win in embarrassingly devastating fashion. Fedor could not. In fact, many of his wins, even against lesser opponents, were come-from-behind victories.
Fedor and Anderson were roughly the same age when they fought Hendo. Anderson whooped Henderson, Fedor got KO’d in a round. Theres one good comparison for you, HW or not.
Literally, the last solid contender that Fedor fought that didnt whoop him was Cro Cop in 2005! After that, Mark Hunt? UFC rejected versions of Arlovski and Sylvia? the MW Matt Lindland? HMC?!?!?
In that same time frame, Anderson has dominant wins over Franklin, Hendo, Okami, Marquardt, Sonnen, Maia, Forrest, ALL at a time when these guys were top 10, if not top 5, in their division. And when he did fight cans, such as James Irvin and Stephen Bonnar, he beat them in ways that no one had ever been able to before. Hell, his first loss in the UFC came not because he was outmatched like Fedor was, but because he acted like a godam fool.
No comparison. Unless Jones keeps up his streak or GSP suddenly starts becoming anything other than a point fighter, Anderson is the GOAT. Dumbass or not.
dana white is a piece of shit whos ruining the sport. silva doing what he did is pretty much a fuck you to dana white. silva has no competition in the 185lb class, he was danas golden boy for that division. hence his clowning around. sure weidman took him down early and silva looked in trouble, but once he broke free he realized he could’t lose. now obviously he didn’t expect to get KO’d, but if weidman is really that good, then WHY DID IT TAKE WEIDMAN SO LONG TO FINALLY KO SILVA WHEN SILVA GAVE HIM FREE SHOTS? everybody says “silva does that every fight”…wrong, he doesn’t, what happened saturday was the worst hes ever done it. Once he escaped that take down he didnt even try to fight.
The second round he didn’t even strike! or put his hands up! atleast in the damian maia fight silva fought back.
Silva can’t be beat, saturday night he simply didn’t give a fuck, i’m glad he did what he did because dana whites a joke. he completely fucked whites money making plans for a superfight. I don’t dare pay for a UFC, especially not after the multiple title fights sonnen has gotten when hes a bum who never deserved any of them.
I’m not a silva fan, but it irks me when all these people say all this b.s. on him, blame dana white, not silva.
maybe had a large chunk of change bet on weidman? hmmm?
[quote]StevenF wrote:
maybe had a large chunk of change bet on weidman? hmmm? [/quote]
Is it true that UFC fighters pretty much make shit for pay? If so I would not be surprised at all if that were true
As much as I have disliked Silva ever since that night in Abu Dhabi, I still think he is easily the GOAT, more so than Fedor despite Fedor being much more likeable character. Sure, Fedor didn’t really give a fuck about the size disadvantage and just went in there and fought his heart out and was humble at all times. For the last six years or so of his carrier he didn’t really fight the best of the best anymore, most of the guys he fought were no bums either, tough opponents for sure, but guys who could barely make it to the top10 in heavyweight rankings most of the time.
At the same time Silva, despite not exactly being undersized for his weight class (still, not an insanely huge middleweight and has fought stronger men), absolutely destroyed most of his opponents during his reign, only the disgraceful fights with Maia and Leites and the first Sonnen fight come to mind where Silva didn’t win in a convincing fashion. Surely Fedor was not the kind of fighter who would stall and wait for the opponent to wander in to his comfort zone, but to Silvas defence, he sure was willing to take stupid risks to get opponents to commit fighting his game, as was seen in his last fight where he finally paid for it… That and the fact that 185 from 2006-2013 is quite a bit deeper of a division than heavyweight pre-2006.
Silva has agreed for a rematch though, so his post fight interview was just typical Silva fucking with the media. Really have no idea what the fuck to expect from the rematch, Silva wants to do it Super Bowl weekend, so obviously huge payday win or lose. As for UFC fighters making shit for pay, most do but Silva is pretty much one of the few who can make such living out of this that he could potentially live with the money without doing squat after retiring.
I’m pretty sure he gets some kind of a cut of the PPV sales, has companies like Nike and Burger King for sponsors, makes about 600k to show and was pretty regulary netting solid performance bonuses on top of that, pretty sure he has a atleast a nice 7-figure bank account for his retirement funds and the Weidman rematch sure ain’t going to hurt that.
Anderson banks. People dont call it “Anderson Silva money” for no reason.
He made 600k to show, would have made another 200k to win. Thats the biggest payout of any UFC fighter, ever. He also gets PPV cuts, and with all his endorsements (Nike, Burger King) it wouldnt surprise me if he made 3 million a fight. Not too shabby.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]StevenF wrote:
maybe had a large chunk of change bet on weidman? hmmm? [/quote]
Is it true that UFC fighters pretty much make shit for pay? If so I would not be surprised at all if that were true[/quote]
Silva made $600,000 in his last fight and considered by many (not me) as the greatest fighter of all time. Mayweather jr made $32,000,000 in his last fight and has never been brought up in the discussion as a great fighter. If that doen’t tell you how the UFC and Dana White operates, I dont know what else to tell you.
[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]StevenF wrote:
maybe had a large chunk of change bet on weidman? hmmm? [/quote]
Is it true that UFC fighters pretty much make shit for pay? If so I would not be surprised at all if that were true[/quote]
Silva made $600,000 in his last fight and considered by many (not me) as the greatest fighter of all time. Mayweather jr made $32,000,000 in his last fight and has never been brought up in the discussion as a great fighter. If that doen’t tell you how the UFC and Dana White operates, I dont know what else to tell you.[/quote]
That boxing, as dead as many believe it is, is still much more of a major draw than the UFC?
Anyone know the number of PPV buys for each of their last fights?
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]StevenF wrote:
maybe had a large chunk of change bet on weidman? hmmm? [/quote]
Is it true that UFC fighters pretty much make shit for pay? If so I would not be surprised at all if that were true[/quote]
Silva made $600,000 in his last fight and considered by many (not me) as the greatest fighter of all time. Mayweather jr made $32,000,000 in his last fight and has never been brought up in the discussion as a great fighter. If that doen’t tell you how the UFC and Dana White operates, I dont know what else to tell you.[/quote]
That boxing, as dead as many believe it is, is still much more of a major draw than the UFC?
Anyone know the number of PPV buys for each of their last fights?[/quote]
There was a lot of talk about Mayweather-Guerrero doing less than a million buys. And apparently with all of the promotion done the fight had to break 1.2 million buys to make a profit.
Dana White said that Weidman-Silva was trending in the 800k region. And this title fight wasn’t nearly as well promoted as Silva-Sonnen, or GSP-Diaz, or even Jones-Sonnen.
The rematch between Silva and Weidman will for sure do better than the first match. Of course, so will Mayweather-Alvarez.
Also: almost no one under 25 really cares about boxing where I am. And pretty much every guy under 25 who watches sports knows about the big UFC fights (GSP, Silva, Jones, etc.).