[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
There is no way Maia is going to take down those guys like he did Fitch.
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I you so sure about that? I’d didn’t think Fitch would get so badly manhandled. Not even close. At this point I wouldn’t be supervised if Maia “surprises” against a top 5 wrestler in the division by completely manhandling him.
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This fight was not going to be a barn burner regardless, because look at who’s fighting. But no one wants to see that for 3 rounds. Again, its MIXED MARTIAL ARTS so why wouldnt i be annoyed at watching a guy practice RNC defense for 3 rounds?
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I’d rather see Maia rodeo Fitch for a full 48 hours than watch him try to kickbox…
I’m liking his aggression at 170. If he can learn to incorporate some GnP and improve his takedowns (they look sloppy to me, no idea how Fitch didn’t defend them better), he can be a more exciting fighter, but his striking is never ever going to be worth watching.[/quote]
I agree about Maia’s striking. Im also with you about his take downs, i couldnt believe how flat and slow Fitch looked in trying to defend them. It almost seemed as if he didnt anticipate the take down, which was crazy to me.
Maia has proved he’s already top 10 at WW, and with some improvement can cement himself as being unquestionably top 5, Ill be surprised if he ever manages a title shot though. I see him getting KO’d by guys like Hendricks and possibly even Kos if forced to stand with them.
GSP would massacre him. [/quote]
I think he could beat Kos and Hendricks just based off of their problems with pressure grapplers. I give Kos a better chance then Hendricks though.[/quote]
Kos hasnt had a problem with a grappler since GSP.
Hendricks only has 1 loss, to Rick Story. By split.
Where the hell are you getting this idea from?
These guys have spent their lives defending take downs from guys who are far better at it than Maia. If he’s forced to stand, it could look like Maia/Marquardt all over again.
I could see Maia getting his ass beat by Ellenberger too. A physically strong guy with great wrestling and hits like a truck.
Maia is just too 1 dimensional in my opinion to make a title run. Hendricks and Ellenberger arent exactly the most well-rounded, but they have the benefit of incredible power in their strikes. Maia does not.
I wouldnt mind seeing him fight GSP though… Maybe for once we’d see GSP finish an opponent.
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Koscheck had a lot of problems with Pierce, Hendricks had problems with Pierce and story and has iffy takedown defense if you watch him. I stand by what I said, Maia has stood with powerful strikers at MW but now he has a grappling and strength advantage I pick him in boyh of these fights, even though they won’t happen anytime soon barring an injury.[/quote]
Pretty hard to argue that strength is on Maia’s side against any of the top wrestlers at 170; Ellenberger, GSP, Kos, Hendricks. Fitch may be a solid grappler, but in pure wrestling and strength, he is behind all 4 of the previously mentioned.
There is no way Maia is going to take down those guys like he did Fitch.
I get the feeling you are a pretty hard Maia nuthugger judging by the fact that you thought i was too much of a “bro” to appreciate his fight with Fitch. Im gonna file this one away under “agree to disagree”
We can revisit this after Maia faces a decorated wrestler. [/quote]
I just called you a bro to rile you up, but we’ve seen Maia takedown Sonnen, Story, DHK. His striking sucks but the Munoz fight was still very close. Fightmetric had him winning that fight. But you’re right we need him to fight a top 10 power wrestler to really see where he’s at.
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[quote]Khaine wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
This fight was not going to be a barn burner regardless, because look at who’s fighting. But no one wants to see that for 3 rounds. Again, its MIXED MARTIAL ARTS so why wouldnt i be annoyed at watching a guy practice RNC defense for 3 rounds?
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I’d rather see Maia rodeo Fitch for a full 48 hours than watch him try to kickbox…
I’m liking his aggression at 170. If he can learn to incorporate some GnP and improve his takedowns (they look sloppy to me, no idea how Fitch didn’t defend them better), he can be a more exciting fighter, but his striking is never ever going to be worth watching.[/quote]
I agree about Maia’s striking. Im also with you about his take downs, i couldnt believe how flat and slow Fitch looked in trying to defend them. It almost seemed as if he didnt anticipate the take down, which was crazy to me.
Maia has proved he’s already top 10 at WW, and with some improvement can cement himself as being unquestionably top 5, Ill be surprised if he ever manages a title shot though. I see him getting KO’d by guys like Hendricks and possibly even Kos if forced to stand with them.
GSP would massacre him. [/quote]
I think he could beat Kos and Hendricks just based off of their problems with pressure grapplers. I give Kos a better chance then Hendricks though.[/quote]
Kos hasnt had a problem with a grappler since GSP.
Hendricks only has 1 loss, to Rick Story. By split.
Where the hell are you getting this idea from?
These guys have spent their lives defending take downs from guys who are far better at it than Maia. If he’s forced to stand, it could look like Maia/Marquardt all over again.
I could see Maia getting his ass beat by Ellenberger too. A physically strong guy with great wrestling and hits like a truck.
Maia is just too 1 dimensional in my opinion to make a title run. Hendricks and Ellenberger arent exactly the most well-rounded, but they have the benefit of incredible power in their strikes. Maia does not.
I wouldnt mind seeing him fight GSP though… Maybe for once we’d see GSP finish an opponent.
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Koscheck had a lot of problems with Pierce, Hendricks had problems with Pierce and story and has iffy takedown defense if you watch him. I stand by what I said, Maia has stood with powerful strikers at MW but now he has a grappling and strength advantage I pick him in boyh of these fights, even though they won’t happen anytime soon barring an injury.[/quote]
Pretty hard to argue that strength is on Maia’s side against any of the top wrestlers at 170; Ellenberger, GSP, Kos, Hendricks. Fitch may be a solid grappler, but in pure wrestling and strength, he is behind all 4 of the previously mentioned.
There is no way Maia is going to take down those guys like he did Fitch.
I get the feeling you are a pretty hard Maia nuthugger judging by the fact that you thought i was too much of a “bro” to appreciate his fight with Fitch. Im gonna file this one away under “agree to disagree”
We can revisit this after Maia faces a decorated wrestler. [/quote]
I just called you a bro to rile you up, but we’ve seen Maia takedown Sonnen, Story, DHK. His striking sucks but the Munoz fight was still very close. Fightmetric had him winning that fight. But you’re right we need him to fight a top 10 power wrestler to really see where he’s at.[/quote]
I think 2 fights still really stand out for me as a reason why i dont think Maia is title contender material. One is the Anderson fight. Yes Maia has improved since then, but it showed when he cant take a guy down and is forced to respect the striking, he gets desperate and sloppy.
The other is the weidman fight, which in my opinion neither guy looked good in, but Maia looked particularly sloppy.
Again, at this point its sort of wait and see. We know hes a solid 170 lb guy, but he hasnt fought anybody that i really consider a true test yet. I did think Fitch would put up more of a fight but in hindsight i probably shouldve known Maia would be very aggressive against him simply because he had to know that there was no way Fitch would be able to hurt him, on the feet or on the ground.
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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
There is no way Maia is going to take down those guys like he did Fitch.
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I you so sure about that? I’d didn’t think Fitch would get so badly manhandled. Not even close. At this point I wouldn’t be supervised if Maia “surprises” against a top 5 wrestler in the division by completely manhandling him.[/quote]
Yeah pretty sure. That must be nice having no supervision though, my supervisor is here 40 hours a week with me.
If theres one positive thing we can take away from the overeem silva fight…
shoulder roll works in mma too cocksuckers!
albeit a badly executed one, he did land the counter uppercut though!
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
I think 2 fights still really stand out for me as a reason why i dont think Maia is title contender material. One is the Anderson fight. Yes Maia has improved since then, but it showed when he cant take a guy down and is forced to respect the striking, he gets desperate and sloppy.
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Kind of an unfair comparison though isn’t it? You’re talking about the unquestionably best striker in all of MMA in Silva. Of course he picked Maia apart on the feet, he would do the same to any of the 4 welterweights that you mentioned just as easily.
I don’t think he would beat GSP because I think GSP is just too well rounded, dynamic, athletic, and smart.
I think he could beat Hendricks if he could get a hold of him without getting caught (one punch from that guy and it’s over).
I think he would beat Kos because Kos is a lot like Hendricks, but with less power in his hands and doesn’t have anywhere near the submission defense that Fitch has.
Ellenberger strikes me as a less refined GSP. He lacks some of GSP’s natural explosiveness, doesn’t have anywhere near the degree of timing, and is just generally less skilled IMO. His size and reach could potentially allow him to keep things standing and beat Maia there, but the threat of the takedown by Maia might somewhat mess with his striking timing and leave him open to getting caught with something, which in turn would leave him open to getting taken down. If Maia did get a hold of him, I think it’d be a pretty similar outcome to his fight with Fitch (though quite possibly ending in Maia finishing Rory).
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Again, at this point its sort of wait and see. We know hes a solid 170 lb guy, but he hasnt fought anybody that i really consider a true test yet. I did think Fitch would put up more of a fight but in hindsight i probably shouldve known Maia would be very aggressive against him simply because he had to know that there was no way Fitch would be able to hurt him, on the feet or on the ground. [/quote]
Fitch has fallen off a little lately, no argument. But you really don’t consider the once perennial #1 contender to be a true test? Fitch has 2 losses in the UFC, 1 to GSP, and one by one punch KO from Hendricks. Everyone else he was eventually able to impose his will on and beat them up (though no, he doesn’t finish people).
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
If theres one positive thing we can take away from the overeem silva fight…
shoulder roll works in mma too cocksuckers!
albeit a badly executed one, he did land the counter uppercut though![/quote]
Who ever said it didn’t? It’s just harder to pull off and riskier due to the danger of turning your back and getting clinched or taken down.
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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
I think 2 fights still really stand out for me as a reason why i dont think Maia is title contender material. One is the Anderson fight. Yes Maia has improved since then, but it showed when he cant take a guy down and is forced to respect the striking, he gets desperate and sloppy.
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Kind of an unfair comparison though isn’t it? You’re talking about the unquestionably best striker in all of MMA in Silva. Of course he picked Maia apart on the feet, he would do the same to any of the 4 welterweights that you mentioned just as easily.
I don’t think he would beat GSP because I think GSP is just too well rounded, dynamic, athletic, and smart.
I think he could beat Hendricks if he could get a hold of him without getting caught (one punch from that guy and it’s over).
I think he would beat Kos because Kos is a lot like Hendricks, but with less power in his hands and doesn’t have anywhere near the submission defense that Fitch has.
Ellenberger strikes me as a less refined GSP. He lacks some of GSP’s natural explosiveness, doesn’t have anywhere near the degree of timing, and is just generally less skilled IMO. His size and reach could potentially allow him to keep things standing and beat Maia there, but the threat of the takedown by Maia might somewhat mess with his striking timing and leave him open to getting caught with something, which in turn would leave him open to getting taken down. If Maia did get a hold of him, I think it’d be a pretty similar outcome to his fight with Fitch (though quite possibly ending in Maia finishing Rory).
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Again, at this point its sort of wait and see. We know hes a solid 170 lb guy, but he hasnt fought anybody that i really consider a true test yet. I did think Fitch would put up more of a fight but in hindsight i probably shouldve known Maia would be very aggressive against him simply because he had to know that there was no way Fitch would be able to hurt him, on the feet or on the ground. [/quote]
Fitch has fallen off a little lately, no argument. But you really don’t consider the once perennial #1 contender to be a true test? Fitch has 2 losses in the UFC, 1 to GSP, and one by one punch KO from Hendricks. Everyone else he was eventually able to impose his will on and beat them up (though no, he doesn’t finish people).[/quote]
I dont consider Fitch a true test for Maia because as i said, in hindsight it was really a fight that Maia probably knew he could be as aggressive as he wanted and stick to his gameplan because there was little fear of him being put in a dangerous position by fitch. If he goes up against a good wrestler with KO power, and cant get the take down so easily, thats when i think itll be really interesting to see what he does.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
If theres one positive thing we can take away from the overeem silva fight…
shoulder roll works in mma too cocksuckers!
albeit a badly executed one, he did land the counter uppercut though![/quote]
Who ever said it didn’t? It’s just harder to pull off and riskier due to the danger of turning your back and getting clinched or taken down.[/quote]
You could make a shoulder roll clinic highlight reel from Anderosn Silva’s fights.