Ufc 156

[audiogarden1]

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Fitch’s sub defense wasn’t great; it’s just harder to get the RNC with gloves on. [/quote]

You’re a tard. Fitch is like 30 for 30 career UFC submission defenses after that fight. His sub defense is not only great, its the absolute best. [/quote]
I was referring to the Maia fight. How many different subs did he go for? One, the RNC. Take off the gloves and he taps or goes to sleep. Maia had a dominant position and saw no need to extend himself and risk losing it. The defense wasn’t great as the effort to choke him wasn’t that great. Add in the gloves and you get a somewhat boring grind fest. [/quote]
Having someones back is the most dominant position you can have on the ground, why wouldn’t he keep it there?[/quote]
Isn’t that what I said? [/quote]
I’m referring to the extend himself comment. He had the back and was going for the finish, what more would you like him to do? It’d not like this was Guida Hioki.[/quote]

This.

Very few guys would have been able to hang with maia on their back for nearly 3 rounds and not tap. Why didnt Fitch tap? Cause his godam sub defense is great.

You dont have to extend yourself when you have a back mount body triangle to get a RNC. He just couldnt do it[/quote]
He could have gone for an armbar or tried to switch to mount. The sub defense was not great because great sub defense would have included escaping the position. Holding onto Maia’s arms, over and over, is a basic defense that relies on a ref stepping in to stand it back up or the bell to ring in order to escape or the opponent gets frustrated and attempts a different submission. It’s not a way to win but a way to lose a decision. Also, Maia was a nice guy about getting the choke. [/quote]

Are we really basing Fitch’s sub defense off of hypothetical “woulda, coulda, shoulda” scenarios now? If a solid fighter like Rick Story couldnt fend off the RNC, then naturally it would make sense to say that Fitch’s defense of it was great.

Again, any time a guy is in the range of 30 for 30 sub defenses, the most likely reason he didnt get subbed this time is because HE HAS GREAT SUB DEFENSE. History has proved this. I am not a fitch fan, but i honestly dont know that there is another WW who could have fended off Maia’s back control for nearly 3 rounds.

Thank you for informing me that Maia was being so nice with his application of the RNC. Didnt know you had a close relationship with him.

[audiogarden1]

[quote]humble wrote:
Can we forget about Fitch and Maia for now? Both cunts should be banned from the UFC and should stick to grappling tourneys. Both as boring as fuck in a MMA fight.

Can we instead please continue bagging Overeem ( who yes I was a nuthugger of) and keep shitting on frankies footwork. Makes me feel better

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No, because id rather move on and just write Overeem off as being a huge fuckin dumbass.

I will start being a fan again if he can prove in his next fight that he can take people a little more seriously and check his own fuckin ego.

Again, the next episode of the Reem should be very interesting.

[sardines12]

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Fitch’s sub defense wasn’t great; it’s just harder to get the RNC with gloves on. [/quote]

You’re a tard. Fitch is like 30 for 30 career UFC submission defenses after that fight. His sub defense is not only great, its the absolute best. [/quote]
I was referring to the Maia fight. How many different subs did he go for? One, the RNC. Take off the gloves and he taps or goes to sleep. Maia had a dominant position and saw no need to extend himself and risk losing it. The defense wasn’t great as the effort to choke him wasn’t that great. Add in the gloves and you get a somewhat boring grind fest. [/quote]
Having someones back is the most dominant position you can have on the ground, why wouldn’t he keep it there?[/quote]
Isn’t that what I said? [/quote]
I’m referring to the extend himself comment. He had the back and was going for the finish, what more would you like him to do? It’d not like this was Guida Hioki.[/quote]

This.

Very few guys would have been able to hang with maia on their back for nearly 3 rounds and not tap. Why didnt Fitch tap? Cause his godam sub defense is great.

You dont have to extend yourself when you have a back mount body triangle to get a RNC. He just couldnt do it[/quote]
He could have gone for an armbar or tried to switch to mount. The sub defense was not great because great sub defense would have included escaping the position. Holding onto Maia’s arms, over and over, is a basic defense that relies on a ref stepping in to stand it back up or the bell to ring in order to escape or the opponent gets frustrated and attempts a different submission. It’s not a way to win but a way to lose a decision. Also, Maia was a nice guy about getting the choke. [/quote]
Why would he do that, seriously why?

[audiogarden1]

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Fitch’s sub defense wasn’t great; it’s just harder to get the RNC with gloves on. [/quote]

You’re a tard. Fitch is like 30 for 30 career UFC submission defenses after that fight. His sub defense is not only great, its the absolute best. [/quote]
I was referring to the Maia fight. How many different subs did he go for? One, the RNC. Take off the gloves and he taps or goes to sleep. Maia had a dominant position and saw no need to extend himself and risk losing it. The defense wasn’t great as the effort to choke him wasn’t that great. Add in the gloves and you get a somewhat boring grind fest. [/quote]
Having someones back is the most dominant position you can have on the ground, why wouldn’t he keep it there?[/quote]
Isn’t that what I said? [/quote]
I’m referring to the extend himself comment. He had the back and was going for the finish, what more would you like him to do? It’d not like this was Guida Hioki.[/quote]

This.

Very few guys would have been able to hang with maia on their back for nearly 3 rounds and not tap. Why didnt Fitch tap? Cause his godam sub defense is great.

You dont have to extend yourself when you have a back mount body triangle to get a RNC. He just couldnt do it[/quote]
He could have gone for an armbar or tried to switch to mount. The sub defense was not great because great sub defense would have included escaping the position. Holding onto Maia’s arms, over and over, is a basic defense that relies on a ref stepping in to stand it back up or the bell to ring in order to escape or the opponent gets frustrated and attempts a different submission. It’s not a way to win but a way to lose a decision. Also, Maia was a nice guy about getting the choke. [/quote]
Why would he do that, seriously why?[/quote]

Cause he desperately wanted to bore everyone with a 3 round grapple-fuck obviously.

Another thing, when you have back mount, especially with a body triangle, giving it up to try and take an arm is a HUGE risk. Its not easy to pull off, and if you screw it up, you likely wind up with your opponent on top. Against a great grappler like Fitch, that could have been a tide-turning mistake. It makes sense that Maia would play it safe and work the RNC.

If you’ve ever actually trained jiu jitsu and submission grappling, you’d understand why not giving Fitch enough credit here is ridiculous.

[rundymc]

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Fitch’s sub defense wasn’t great; it’s just harder to get the RNC with gloves on. [/quote]

You’re a tard. Fitch is like 30 for 30 career UFC submission defenses after that fight. His sub defense is not only great, its the absolute best. [/quote]
I was referring to the Maia fight. How many different subs did he go for? One, the RNC. Take off the gloves and he taps or goes to sleep. Maia had a dominant position and saw no need to extend himself and risk losing it. The defense wasn’t great as the effort to choke him wasn’t that great. Add in the gloves and you get a somewhat boring grind fest. [/quote]
Having someones back is the most dominant position you can have on the ground, why wouldn’t he keep it there?[/quote]
Isn’t that what I said? [/quote]
I’m referring to the extend himself comment. He had the back and was going for the finish, what more would you like him to do? It’d not like this was Guida Hioki.[/quote]

This.

Very few guys would have been able to hang with maia on their back for nearly 3 rounds and not tap. Why didnt Fitch tap? Cause his godam sub defense is great.

You dont have to extend yourself when you have a back mount body triangle to get a RNC. He just couldnt do it[/quote]
He could have gone for an armbar or tried to switch to mount. The sub defense was not great because great sub defense would have included escaping the position. Holding onto Maia’s arms, over and over, is a basic defense that relies on a ref stepping in to stand it back up or the bell to ring in order to escape or the opponent gets frustrated and attempts a different submission. It’s not a way to win but a way to lose a decision. Also, Maia was a nice guy about getting the choke. [/quote]
Why would he do that, seriously why?[/quote]

Cause he desperately wanted to bore everyone with a 3 round grapple-fuck obviously.

Another thing, when you have back mount, especially with a body triangle, giving it up to try and take an arm is a HUGE risk. Its not easy to pull off, and if you screw it up, you likely wind up with your opponent on top. Against a great grappler like Fitch, that could have been a tide-turning mistake. It makes sense that Maia would play it safe and work the RNC.

If you’ve ever actually trained jiu jitsu and submission grappling, you’d understand why not giving Fitch enough credit here is ridiculous.
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This. Taking the arm is a risk for two reasons. First you get perpendicular to your opponent, giving up position. Second, any sub-grappler worth his salt will know it’s coming and explosively turn into you, either escaping or stacking you in the process (both result in you being on the bottom scrambling to recover guard).

Maia’s a smart grappler, a position-before-submission guy. It’s not as easy on the eyes as a J-Lau grappling clinic, but you can’t argue with results. Plus, the fight was pretty decent for my BJJ sensibilities.

[sardines12]

[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Fitch’s sub defense wasn’t great; it’s just harder to get the RNC with gloves on. [/quote]

You’re a tard. Fitch is like 30 for 30 career UFC submission defenses after that fight. His sub defense is not only great, its the absolute best. [/quote]
I was referring to the Maia fight. How many different subs did he go for? One, the RNC. Take off the gloves and he taps or goes to sleep. Maia had a dominant position and saw no need to extend himself and risk losing it. The defense wasn’t great as the effort to choke him wasn’t that great. Add in the gloves and you get a somewhat boring grind fest. [/quote]
Having someones back is the most dominant position you can have on the ground, why wouldn’t he keep it there?[/quote]
Isn’t that what I said? [/quote]
I’m referring to the extend himself comment. He had the back and was going for the finish, what more would you like him to do? It’d not like this was Guida Hioki.[/quote]

This.

Very few guys would have been able to hang with maia on their back for nearly 3 rounds and not tap. Why didnt Fitch tap? Cause his godam sub defense is great.

You dont have to extend yourself when you have a back mount body triangle to get a RNC. He just couldnt do it[/quote]
He could have gone for an armbar or tried to switch to mount. The sub defense was not great because great sub defense would have included escaping the position. Holding onto Maia’s arms, over and over, is a basic defense that relies on a ref stepping in to stand it back up or the bell to ring in order to escape or the opponent gets frustrated and attempts a different submission. It’s not a way to win but a way to lose a decision. Also, Maia was a nice guy about getting the choke. [/quote]
Why would he do that, seriously why?[/quote]

Cause he desperately wanted to bore everyone with a 3 round grapple-fuck obviously.

Another thing, when you have back mount, especially with a body triangle, giving it up to try and take an arm is a HUGE risk. Its not easy to pull off, and if you screw it up, you likely wind up with your opponent on top. Against a great grappler like Fitch, that could have been a tide-turning mistake. It makes sense that Maia would play it safe and work the RNC.

If you’ve ever actually trained jiu jitsu and submission grappling, you’d understand why not giving Fitch enough credit here is ridiculous.
[/quote]

This. Taking the arm is a risk for two reasons. First you get perpendicular to your opponent, giving up position. Second, any sub-grappler worth his salt will know it’s coming and explosively turn into you, either escaping or stacking you in the process (both result in you being on the bottom scrambling to recover guard).

Maia’s a smart grappler, a position-before-submission guy. It’s not as easy on the eyes as a J-Lau grappling clinic, but you can’t argue with results. Plus, the fight was pretty decent for my BJJ sensibilities.[/quote]
Exactly my point, I just don’t understand how anyone thought this fight was boring. To move to another topic, who’s next for Maia? Hendricks and Mcdonald are both tied up or I’d pick them.

[audiogarden1]

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Fitch’s sub defense wasn’t great; it’s just harder to get the RNC with gloves on. [/quote]

You’re a tard. Fitch is like 30 for 30 career UFC submission defenses after that fight. His sub defense is not only great, its the absolute best. [/quote]
I was referring to the Maia fight. How many different subs did he go for? One, the RNC. Take off the gloves and he taps or goes to sleep. Maia had a dominant position and saw no need to extend himself and risk losing it. The defense wasn’t great as the effort to choke him wasn’t that great. Add in the gloves and you get a somewhat boring grind fest. [/quote]
Having someones back is the most dominant position you can have on the ground, why wouldn’t he keep it there?[/quote]
Isn’t that what I said? [/quote]
I’m referring to the extend himself comment. He had the back and was going for the finish, what more would you like him to do? It’d not like this was Guida Hioki.[/quote]

This.

Very few guys would have been able to hang with maia on their back for nearly 3 rounds and not tap. Why didnt Fitch tap? Cause his godam sub defense is great.

You dont have to extend yourself when you have a back mount body triangle to get a RNC. He just couldnt do it[/quote]
He could have gone for an armbar or tried to switch to mount. The sub defense was not great because great sub defense would have included escaping the position. Holding onto Maia’s arms, over and over, is a basic defense that relies on a ref stepping in to stand it back up or the bell to ring in order to escape or the opponent gets frustrated and attempts a different submission. It’s not a way to win but a way to lose a decision. Also, Maia was a nice guy about getting the choke. [/quote]
Why would he do that, seriously why?[/quote]

Cause he desperately wanted to bore everyone with a 3 round grapple-fuck obviously.

Another thing, when you have back mount, especially with a body triangle, giving it up to try and take an arm is a HUGE risk. Its not easy to pull off, and if you screw it up, you likely wind up with your opponent on top. Against a great grappler like Fitch, that could have been a tide-turning mistake. It makes sense that Maia would play it safe and work the RNC.

If you’ve ever actually trained jiu jitsu and submission grappling, you’d understand why not giving Fitch enough credit here is ridiculous.
[/quote]

This. Taking the arm is a risk for two reasons. First you get perpendicular to your opponent, giving up position. Second, any sub-grappler worth his salt will know it’s coming and explosively turn into you, either escaping or stacking you in the process (both result in you being on the bottom scrambling to recover guard).

Maia’s a smart grappler, a position-before-submission guy. It’s not as easy on the eyes as a J-Lau grappling clinic, but you can’t argue with results. Plus, the fight was pretty decent for my BJJ sensibilities.[/quote]
Exactly my point, I just don’t understand how anyone thought this fight was boring. To move to another topic, who’s next for Maia? Hendricks and Mcdonald are both tied up or I’d pick them. [/quote]

As a guy coming from a submission grappling background, that fight was boring.

I watch ADCC videos and shit when i want to see that. I watch UFC to see mixed martial arts, not grapply-fucks. If its a technical clinic its one thing, but that fight was literally one position the entire time.

As for who’s next for Maia, i think someone like Ellenberger is a good matchup. I wanna see him tested by someone with good (explosive) wrestling, and KO ability. Fitch is a good grappler, but hes not explosive and hes hardly a threat on the feet.

[sardines12]

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Fitch’s sub defense wasn’t great; it’s just harder to get the RNC with gloves on. [/quote]

You’re a tard. Fitch is like 30 for 30 career UFC submission defenses after that fight. His sub defense is not only great, its the absolute best. [/quote]
I was referring to the Maia fight. How many different subs did he go for? One, the RNC. Take off the gloves and he taps or goes to sleep. Maia had a dominant position and saw no need to extend himself and risk losing it. The defense wasn’t great as the effort to choke him wasn’t that great. Add in the gloves and you get a somewhat boring grind fest. [/quote]
Having someones back is the most dominant position you can have on the ground, why wouldn’t he keep it there?[/quote]
Isn’t that what I said? [/quote]
I’m referring to the extend himself comment. He had the back and was going for the finish, what more would you like him to do? It’d not like this was Guida Hioki.[/quote]

This.

Very few guys would have been able to hang with maia on their back for nearly 3 rounds and not tap. Why didnt Fitch tap? Cause his godam sub defense is great.

You dont have to extend yourself when you have a back mount body triangle to get a RNC. He just couldnt do it[/quote]
He could have gone for an armbar or tried to switch to mount. The sub defense was not great because great sub defense would have included escaping the position. Holding onto Maia’s arms, over and over, is a basic defense that relies on a ref stepping in to stand it back up or the bell to ring in order to escape or the opponent gets frustrated and attempts a different submission. It’s not a way to win but a way to lose a decision. Also, Maia was a nice guy about getting the choke. [/quote]
Why would he do that, seriously why?[/quote]

Cause he desperately wanted to bore everyone with a 3 round grapple-fuck obviously.

Another thing, when you have back mount, especially with a body triangle, giving it up to try and take an arm is a HUGE risk. Its not easy to pull off, and if you screw it up, you likely wind up with your opponent on top. Against a great grappler like Fitch, that could have been a tide-turning mistake. It makes sense that Maia would play it safe and work the RNC.

If you’ve ever actually trained jiu jitsu and submission grappling, you’d understand why not giving Fitch enough credit here is ridiculous.
[/quote]

This. Taking the arm is a risk for two reasons. First you get perpendicular to your opponent, giving up position. Second, any sub-grappler worth his salt will know it’s coming and explosively turn into you, either escaping or stacking you in the process (both result in you being on the bottom scrambling to recover guard).

Maia’s a smart grappler, a position-before-submission guy. It’s not as easy on the eyes as a J-Lau grappling clinic, but you can’t argue with results. Plus, the fight was pretty decent for my BJJ sensibilities.[/quote]
Exactly my point, I just don’t understand how anyone thought this fight was boring. To move to another topic, who’s next for Maia? Hendricks and Mcdonald are both tied up or I’d pick them. [/quote]

As a guy coming from a submission grappling background, that fight was boring.

I watch ADCC videos and shit when i want to see that. I watch UFC to see mixed martial arts, not grapply-fucks. If its a technical clinic its one thing, but that fight was literally one position the entire time.

As for who’s next for Maia, i think someone like Ellenberger is a good matchup. I wanna see him tested by someone with good (explosive) wrestling, and KO ability. Fitch is a good grappler, but hes not explosive and hes hardly a threat on the feet.
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Isn’t that more your fault for expecting a Fitch maia fight to turn into a display of all facets of mma?

[zecarlo]

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Fitch’s sub defense wasn’t great; it’s just harder to get the RNC with gloves on. [/quote]

You’re a tard. Fitch is like 30 for 30 career UFC submission defenses after that fight. His sub defense is not only great, its the absolute best. [/quote]
I was referring to the Maia fight. How many different subs did he go for? One, the RNC. Take off the gloves and he taps or goes to sleep. Maia had a dominant position and saw no need to extend himself and risk losing it. The defense wasn’t great as the effort to choke him wasn’t that great. Add in the gloves and you get a somewhat boring grind fest. [/quote]
Having someones back is the most dominant position you can have on the ground, why wouldn’t he keep it there?[/quote]
Isn’t that what I said? [/quote]
I’m referring to the extend himself comment. He had the back and was going for the finish, what more would you like him to do? It’d not like this was Guida Hioki.[/quote]

This.

Very few guys would have been able to hang with maia on their back for nearly 3 rounds and not tap. Why didnt Fitch tap? Cause his godam sub defense is great.

You dont have to extend yourself when you have a back mount body triangle to get a RNC. He just couldnt do it[/quote]
He could have gone for an armbar or tried to switch to mount. The sub defense was not great because great sub defense would have included escaping the position. Holding onto Maia’s arms, over and over, is a basic defense that relies on a ref stepping in to stand it back up or the bell to ring in order to escape or the opponent gets frustrated and attempts a different submission. It’s not a way to win but a way to lose a decision. Also, Maia was a nice guy about getting the choke. [/quote]
Why would he do that, seriously why?[/quote]

Cause he desperately wanted to bore everyone with a 3 round grapple-fuck obviously.

Another thing, when you have back mount, especially with a body triangle, giving it up to try and take an arm is a HUGE risk. Its not easy to pull off, and if you screw it up, you likely wind up with your opponent on top. Against a great grappler like Fitch, that could have been a tide-turning mistake. It makes sense that Maia would play it safe and work the RNC.

If you’ve ever actually trained jiu jitsu and submission grappling, you’d understand why not giving Fitch enough credit here is ridiculous.
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You are wrong. Having a body triangle makes it easier to go for the arm as one leg is already across the body. If the opponent does turn into you to escape he sets himself up for a triangle. You even said that Maia was playing it safe. If he is playing it safe it means he isn’t working as hard as he could have to get a submission. Even Rogan thought Maia was going to switch to an armbar, but what does he know, he is only a black belt. How long have you been training and what is your rank?

[audiogarden1]

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Fitch’s sub defense wasn’t great; it’s just harder to get the RNC with gloves on. [/quote]

You’re a tard. Fitch is like 30 for 30 career UFC submission defenses after that fight. His sub defense is not only great, its the absolute best. [/quote]
I was referring to the Maia fight. How many different subs did he go for? One, the RNC. Take off the gloves and he taps or goes to sleep. Maia had a dominant position and saw no need to extend himself and risk losing it. The defense wasn’t great as the effort to choke him wasn’t that great. Add in the gloves and you get a somewhat boring grind fest. [/quote]
Having someones back is the most dominant position you can have on the ground, why wouldn’t he keep it there?[/quote]
Isn’t that what I said? [/quote]
I’m referring to the extend himself comment. He had the back and was going for the finish, what more would you like him to do? It’d not like this was Guida Hioki.[/quote]

This.

Very few guys would have been able to hang with maia on their back for nearly 3 rounds and not tap. Why didnt Fitch tap? Cause his godam sub defense is great.

You dont have to extend yourself when you have a back mount body triangle to get a RNC. He just couldnt do it[/quote]
He could have gone for an armbar or tried to switch to mount. The sub defense was not great because great sub defense would have included escaping the position. Holding onto Maia’s arms, over and over, is a basic defense that relies on a ref stepping in to stand it back up or the bell to ring in order to escape or the opponent gets frustrated and attempts a different submission. It’s not a way to win but a way to lose a decision. Also, Maia was a nice guy about getting the choke. [/quote]
Why would he do that, seriously why?[/quote]

Cause he desperately wanted to bore everyone with a 3 round grapple-fuck obviously.

Another thing, when you have back mount, especially with a body triangle, giving it up to try and take an arm is a HUGE risk. Its not easy to pull off, and if you screw it up, you likely wind up with your opponent on top. Against a great grappler like Fitch, that could have been a tide-turning mistake. It makes sense that Maia would play it safe and work the RNC.

If you’ve ever actually trained jiu jitsu and submission grappling, you’d understand why not giving Fitch enough credit here is ridiculous.
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You are wrong. Having a body triangle makes it easier to go for the arm as one leg is already across the body. If the opponent does turn into you to escape he sets himself up for a triangle. You even said that Maia was playing it safe. If he is playing it safe it means he isn’t working as hard as he could have to get a submission. Even Rogan thought Maia was going to switch to an armbar, but what does he know, he is only a black belt. How long have you been training and what is your rank?

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No im not. I didnt say it was harder to switch to an armbar from a body triangle, but why give up such an incredibly dominant position for a submission that is harder to pull off than an RNC? And i said he was playing it safe with losing position, not with the RNC. you cant say he was playing it safe with the RNC unless it comes out of Damien’s mouth. I have no reason to believe he wasnt trying his best to get that submission.

And Rogan thinks everyone is going for everything all the time. his commentary is not to be taken seriously.

[audiogarden1]

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Fitch’s sub defense wasn’t great; it’s just harder to get the RNC with gloves on. [/quote]

You’re a tard. Fitch is like 30 for 30 career UFC submission defenses after that fight. His sub defense is not only great, its the absolute best. [/quote]
I was referring to the Maia fight. How many different subs did he go for? One, the RNC. Take off the gloves and he taps or goes to sleep. Maia had a dominant position and saw no need to extend himself and risk losing it. The defense wasn’t great as the effort to choke him wasn’t that great. Add in the gloves and you get a somewhat boring grind fest. [/quote]
Having someones back is the most dominant position you can have on the ground, why wouldn’t he keep it there?[/quote]
Isn’t that what I said? [/quote]
I’m referring to the extend himself comment. He had the back and was going for the finish, what more would you like him to do? It’d not like this was Guida Hioki.[/quote]

This.

Very few guys would have been able to hang with maia on their back for nearly 3 rounds and not tap. Why didnt Fitch tap? Cause his godam sub defense is great.

You dont have to extend yourself when you have a back mount body triangle to get a RNC. He just couldnt do it[/quote]
He could have gone for an armbar or tried to switch to mount. The sub defense was not great because great sub defense would have included escaping the position. Holding onto Maia’s arms, over and over, is a basic defense that relies on a ref stepping in to stand it back up or the bell to ring in order to escape or the opponent gets frustrated and attempts a different submission. It’s not a way to win but a way to lose a decision. Also, Maia was a nice guy about getting the choke. [/quote]
Why would he do that, seriously why?[/quote]

Cause he desperately wanted to bore everyone with a 3 round grapple-fuck obviously.

Another thing, when you have back mount, especially with a body triangle, giving it up to try and take an arm is a HUGE risk. Its not easy to pull off, and if you screw it up, you likely wind up with your opponent on top. Against a great grappler like Fitch, that could have been a tide-turning mistake. It makes sense that Maia would play it safe and work the RNC.

If you’ve ever actually trained jiu jitsu and submission grappling, you’d understand why not giving Fitch enough credit here is ridiculous.
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This. Taking the arm is a risk for two reasons. First you get perpendicular to your opponent, giving up position. Second, any sub-grappler worth his salt will know it’s coming and explosively turn into you, either escaping or stacking you in the process (both result in you being on the bottom scrambling to recover guard).

Maia’s a smart grappler, a position-before-submission guy. It’s not as easy on the eyes as a J-Lau grappling clinic, but you can’t argue with results. Plus, the fight was pretty decent for my BJJ sensibilities.[/quote]
Exactly my point, I just don’t understand how anyone thought this fight was boring. To move to another topic, who’s next for Maia? Hendricks and Mcdonald are both tied up or I’d pick them. [/quote]

As a guy coming from a submission grappling background, that fight was boring.

I watch ADCC videos and shit when i want to see that. I watch UFC to see mixed martial arts, not grapply-fucks. If its a technical clinic its one thing, but that fight was literally one position the entire time.

As for who’s next for Maia, i think someone like Ellenberger is a good matchup. I wanna see him tested by someone with good (explosive) wrestling, and KO ability. Fitch is a good grappler, but hes not explosive and hes hardly a threat on the feet.
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Isn’t that more your fault for expecting a Fitch maia fight to turn into a display of all facets of mma?[/quote]

No its not my fault that Fitch/Maia turned out to be a 15 minute clinic on how to avoid the RNC.

I said i can appreciate a good technical grappling battle, but lay n’ pray is all that was.

[sardines12]

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Fitch’s sub defense wasn’t great; it’s just harder to get the RNC with gloves on. [/quote]

You’re a tard. Fitch is like 30 for 30 career UFC submission defenses after that fight. His sub defense is not only great, its the absolute best. [/quote]
I was referring to the Maia fight. How many different subs did he go for? One, the RNC. Take off the gloves and he taps or goes to sleep. Maia had a dominant position and saw no need to extend himself and risk losing it. The defense wasn’t great as the effort to choke him wasn’t that great. Add in the gloves and you get a somewhat boring grind fest. [/quote]
Having someones back is the most dominant position you can have on the ground, why wouldn’t he keep it there?[/quote]
Isn’t that what I said? [/quote]
I’m referring to the extend himself comment. He had the back and was going for the finish, what more would you like him to do? It’d not like this was Guida Hioki.[/quote]

This.

Very few guys would have been able to hang with maia on their back for nearly 3 rounds and not tap. Why didnt Fitch tap? Cause his godam sub defense is great.

You dont have to extend yourself when you have a back mount body triangle to get a RNC. He just couldnt do it[/quote]
He could have gone for an armbar or tried to switch to mount. The sub defense was not great because great sub defense would have included escaping the position. Holding onto Maia’s arms, over and over, is a basic defense that relies on a ref stepping in to stand it back up or the bell to ring in order to escape or the opponent gets frustrated and attempts a different submission. It’s not a way to win but a way to lose a decision. Also, Maia was a nice guy about getting the choke. [/quote]
Why would he do that, seriously why?[/quote]

Cause he desperately wanted to bore everyone with a 3 round grapple-fuck obviously.

Another thing, when you have back mount, especially with a body triangle, giving it up to try and take an arm is a HUGE risk. Its not easy to pull off, and if you screw it up, you likely wind up with your opponent on top. Against a great grappler like Fitch, that could have been a tide-turning mistake. It makes sense that Maia would play it safe and work the RNC.

If you’ve ever actually trained jiu jitsu and submission grappling, you’d understand why not giving Fitch enough credit here is ridiculous.
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This. Taking the arm is a risk for two reasons. First you get perpendicular to your opponent, giving up position. Second, any sub-grappler worth his salt will know it’s coming and explosively turn into you, either escaping or stacking you in the process (both result in you being on the bottom scrambling to recover guard).

Maia’s a smart grappler, a position-before-submission guy. It’s not as easy on the eyes as a J-Lau grappling clinic, but you can’t argue with results. Plus, the fight was pretty decent for my BJJ sensibilities.[/quote]
Exactly my point, I just don’t understand how anyone thought this fight was boring. To move to another topic, who’s next for Maia? Hendricks and Mcdonald are both tied up or I’d pick them. [/quote]

As a guy coming from a submission grappling background, that fight was boring.

I watch ADCC videos and shit when i want to see that. I watch UFC to see mixed martial arts, not grapply-fucks. If its a technical clinic its one thing, but that fight was literally one position the entire time.

As for who’s next for Maia, i think someone like Ellenberger is a good matchup. I wanna see him tested by someone with good (explosive) wrestling, and KO ability. Fitch is a good grappler, but hes not explosive and hes hardly a threat on the feet.
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Isn’t that more your fault for expecting a Fitch maia fight to turn into a display of all facets of mma?[/quote]

No its not my fault that Fitch/Maia turned out to be a 15 minute clinic on how to avoid the RNC.

I said i can appreciate a good technical grappling battle, but lay n’ pray is all that was. [/quote]
Lay and pray mean that the fighter is just laying and not looking for submissions. I’m sorry this fight wasn’t broish enough for you but you sound like newb saying this was a lay and pray fight.

[audiogarden1]

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Fitch’s sub defense wasn’t great; it’s just harder to get the RNC with gloves on. [/quote]

You’re a tard. Fitch is like 30 for 30 career UFC submission defenses after that fight. His sub defense is not only great, its the absolute best. [/quote]
I was referring to the Maia fight. How many different subs did he go for? One, the RNC. Take off the gloves and he taps or goes to sleep. Maia had a dominant position and saw no need to extend himself and risk losing it. The defense wasn’t great as the effort to choke him wasn’t that great. Add in the gloves and you get a somewhat boring grind fest. [/quote]
Having someones back is the most dominant position you can have on the ground, why wouldn’t he keep it there?[/quote]
Isn’t that what I said? [/quote]
I’m referring to the extend himself comment. He had the back and was going for the finish, what more would you like him to do? It’d not like this was Guida Hioki.[/quote]

This.

Very few guys would have been able to hang with maia on their back for nearly 3 rounds and not tap. Why didnt Fitch tap? Cause his godam sub defense is great.

You dont have to extend yourself when you have a back mount body triangle to get a RNC. He just couldnt do it[/quote]
He could have gone for an armbar or tried to switch to mount. The sub defense was not great because great sub defense would have included escaping the position. Holding onto Maia’s arms, over and over, is a basic defense that relies on a ref stepping in to stand it back up or the bell to ring in order to escape or the opponent gets frustrated and attempts a different submission. It’s not a way to win but a way to lose a decision. Also, Maia was a nice guy about getting the choke. [/quote]
Why would he do that, seriously why?[/quote]

Cause he desperately wanted to bore everyone with a 3 round grapple-fuck obviously.

Another thing, when you have back mount, especially with a body triangle, giving it up to try and take an arm is a HUGE risk. Its not easy to pull off, and if you screw it up, you likely wind up with your opponent on top. Against a great grappler like Fitch, that could have been a tide-turning mistake. It makes sense that Maia would play it safe and work the RNC.

If you’ve ever actually trained jiu jitsu and submission grappling, you’d understand why not giving Fitch enough credit here is ridiculous.
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This. Taking the arm is a risk for two reasons. First you get perpendicular to your opponent, giving up position. Second, any sub-grappler worth his salt will know it’s coming and explosively turn into you, either escaping or stacking you in the process (both result in you being on the bottom scrambling to recover guard).

Maia’s a smart grappler, a position-before-submission guy. It’s not as easy on the eyes as a J-Lau grappling clinic, but you can’t argue with results. Plus, the fight was pretty decent for my BJJ sensibilities.[/quote]
Exactly my point, I just don’t understand how anyone thought this fight was boring. To move to another topic, who’s next for Maia? Hendricks and Mcdonald are both tied up or I’d pick them. [/quote]

As a guy coming from a submission grappling background, that fight was boring.

I watch ADCC videos and shit when i want to see that. I watch UFC to see mixed martial arts, not grapply-fucks. If its a technical clinic its one thing, but that fight was literally one position the entire time.

As for who’s next for Maia, i think someone like Ellenberger is a good matchup. I wanna see him tested by someone with good (explosive) wrestling, and KO ability. Fitch is a good grappler, but hes not explosive and hes hardly a threat on the feet.
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Isn’t that more your fault for expecting a Fitch maia fight to turn into a display of all facets of mma?[/quote]

No its not my fault that Fitch/Maia turned out to be a 15 minute clinic on how to avoid the RNC.

I said i can appreciate a good technical grappling battle, but lay n’ pray is all that was. [/quote]
Lay and pray mean that the fighter is just laying and not looking for submissions. I’m sorry this fight wasn’t broish enough for you but you sound like newb saying this was a lay and pray fight.[/quote]

lol, yes a newb whos been following MMA more avidly than any other sport for the last 8 years, and has trained in MMA for 5 years. JUST BLEED BRO.

It was a terrible fight from an entertainment stand point. Did you pay 45-55 bucks in hopes of seeing Damien ride Fitch’s back for 3 rounds? No media outlet wrote about how incredibly exciting or notable that fight was, because it was neither. I admit that i dont believe Damien’s intent was to lay n’ pray his way to a decision, but thats basically what ended up happening regardless.

This fight was not going to be a barn burner regardless, because look at who’s fighting. But no one wants to see that for 3 rounds. Again, its MIXED MARTIAL ARTS so why wouldnt i be annoyed at watching a guy practice RNC defense for 3 rounds?

Sorry im too bro for you bro.

[Khaine]

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

This fight was not going to be a barn burner regardless, because look at who’s fighting. But no one wants to see that for 3 rounds. Again, its MIXED MARTIAL ARTS so why wouldnt i be annoyed at watching a guy practice RNC defense for 3 rounds?

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I’d rather see Maia rodeo Fitch for a full 48 hours than watch him try to kickbox…

I’m liking his aggression at 170. If he can learn to incorporate some GnP and improve his takedowns (they look sloppy to me, no idea how Fitch didn’t defend them better), he can be a more exciting fighter, but his striking is never ever going to be worth watching.

[audiogarden1]

[quote]Khaine wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

This fight was not going to be a barn burner regardless, because look at who’s fighting. But no one wants to see that for 3 rounds. Again, its MIXED MARTIAL ARTS so why wouldnt i be annoyed at watching a guy practice RNC defense for 3 rounds?

[/quote]

I’d rather see Maia rodeo Fitch for a full 48 hours than watch him try to kickbox…

I’m liking his aggression at 170. If he can learn to incorporate some GnP and improve his takedowns (they look sloppy to me, no idea how Fitch didn’t defend them better), he can be a more exciting fighter, but his striking is never ever going to be worth watching.[/quote]

I agree about Maia’s striking. Im also with you about his take downs, i couldnt believe how flat and slow Fitch looked in trying to defend them. It almost seemed as if he didnt anticipate the take down, which was crazy to me.

Maia has proved he’s already top 10 at WW, and with some improvement can cement himself as being unquestionably top 5, Ill be surprised if he ever manages a title shot though. I see him getting KO’d by guys like Hendricks and possibly even Kos if forced to stand with them.

GSP would massacre him.

[Khaine]

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Khaine wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

This fight was not going to be a barn burner regardless, because look at who’s fighting. But no one wants to see that for 3 rounds. Again, its MIXED MARTIAL ARTS so why wouldnt i be annoyed at watching a guy practice RNC defense for 3 rounds?

[/quote]

I’d rather see Maia rodeo Fitch for a full 48 hours than watch him try to kickbox…

I’m liking his aggression at 170. If he can learn to incorporate some GnP and improve his takedowns (they look sloppy to me, no idea how Fitch didn’t defend them better), he can be a more exciting fighter, but his striking is never ever going to be worth watching.[/quote]

I agree about Maia’s striking. Im also with you about his take downs, i couldnt believe how flat and slow Fitch looked in trying to defend them. It almost seemed as if he didnt anticipate the take down, which was crazy to me.

Maia has proved he’s already top 10 at WW, and with some improvement can cement himself as being unquestionably top 5, Ill be surprised if he ever manages a title shot though. I see him getting KO’d by guys like Hendricks and possibly even Kos if forced to stand with them.

GSP would massacre him. [/quote]

Agreed on all counts.

[sardines12]

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Khaine wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

This fight was not going to be a barn burner regardless, because look at who’s fighting. But no one wants to see that for 3 rounds. Again, its MIXED MARTIAL ARTS so why wouldnt i be annoyed at watching a guy practice RNC defense for 3 rounds?

[/quote]

I’d rather see Maia rodeo Fitch for a full 48 hours than watch him try to kickbox…

I’m liking his aggression at 170. If he can learn to incorporate some GnP and improve his takedowns (they look sloppy to me, no idea how Fitch didn’t defend them better), he can be a more exciting fighter, but his striking is never ever going to be worth watching.[/quote]

I agree about Maia’s striking. Im also with you about his take downs, i couldnt believe how flat and slow Fitch looked in trying to defend them. It almost seemed as if he didnt anticipate the take down, which was crazy to me.

Maia has proved he’s already top 10 at WW, and with some improvement can cement himself as being unquestionably top 5, Ill be surprised if he ever manages a title shot though. I see him getting KO’d by guys like Hendricks and possibly even Kos if forced to stand with them.

GSP would massacre him. [/quote]
I think he could beat Kos and Hendricks just based off of their problems with pressure grapplers. I give Kos a better chance then Hendricks though.

[audiogarden1]

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Khaine wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

This fight was not going to be a barn burner regardless, because look at who’s fighting. But no one wants to see that for 3 rounds. Again, its MIXED MARTIAL ARTS so why wouldnt i be annoyed at watching a guy practice RNC defense for 3 rounds?

[/quote]

I’d rather see Maia rodeo Fitch for a full 48 hours than watch him try to kickbox…

I’m liking his aggression at 170. If he can learn to incorporate some GnP and improve his takedowns (they look sloppy to me, no idea how Fitch didn’t defend them better), he can be a more exciting fighter, but his striking is never ever going to be worth watching.[/quote]

I agree about Maia’s striking. Im also with you about his take downs, i couldnt believe how flat and slow Fitch looked in trying to defend them. It almost seemed as if he didnt anticipate the take down, which was crazy to me.

Maia has proved he’s already top 10 at WW, and with some improvement can cement himself as being unquestionably top 5, Ill be surprised if he ever manages a title shot though. I see him getting KO’d by guys like Hendricks and possibly even Kos if forced to stand with them.

GSP would massacre him. [/quote]
I think he could beat Kos and Hendricks just based off of their problems with pressure grapplers. I give Kos a better chance then Hendricks though.[/quote]

Kos hasnt had a problem with a grappler since GSP.

Hendricks only has 1 loss, to Rick Story. By split.

Where the hell are you getting this idea from?

These guys have spent their lives defending take downs from guys who are far better at it than Maia. If he’s forced to stand, it could look like Maia/Marquardt all over again.

I could see Maia getting his ass beat by Ellenberger too. A physically strong guy with great wrestling and hits like a truck.

Maia is just too 1 dimensional in my opinion to make a title run. Hendricks and Ellenberger arent exactly the most well-rounded, but they have the benefit of incredible power in their strikes. Maia does not.

I wouldnt mind seeing him fight GSP though… Maybe for once we’d see GSP finish an opponent.

[sardines12]

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Khaine wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

This fight was not going to be a barn burner regardless, because look at who’s fighting. But no one wants to see that for 3 rounds. Again, its MIXED MARTIAL ARTS so why wouldnt i be annoyed at watching a guy practice RNC defense for 3 rounds?

[/quote]

I’d rather see Maia rodeo Fitch for a full 48 hours than watch him try to kickbox…

I’m liking his aggression at 170. If he can learn to incorporate some GnP and improve his takedowns (they look sloppy to me, no idea how Fitch didn’t defend them better), he can be a more exciting fighter, but his striking is never ever going to be worth watching.[/quote]

I agree about Maia’s striking. Im also with you about his take downs, i couldnt believe how flat and slow Fitch looked in trying to defend them. It almost seemed as if he didnt anticipate the take down, which was crazy to me.

Maia has proved he’s already top 10 at WW, and with some improvement can cement himself as being unquestionably top 5, Ill be surprised if he ever manages a title shot though. I see him getting KO’d by guys like Hendricks and possibly even Kos if forced to stand with them.

GSP would massacre him. [/quote]
I think he could beat Kos and Hendricks just based off of their problems with pressure grapplers. I give Kos a better chance then Hendricks though.[/quote]

Kos hasnt had a problem with a grappler since GSP.

Hendricks only has 1 loss, to Rick Story. By split.

Where the hell are you getting this idea from?

These guys have spent their lives defending take downs from guys who are far better at it than Maia. If he’s forced to stand, it could look like Maia/Marquardt all over again.

I could see Maia getting his ass beat by Ellenberger too. A physically strong guy with great wrestling and hits like a truck.

Maia is just too 1 dimensional in my opinion to make a title run. Hendricks and Ellenberger arent exactly the most well-rounded, but they have the benefit of incredible power in their strikes. Maia does not.

I wouldnt mind seeing him fight GSP though… Maybe for once we’d see GSP finish an opponent.
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Koscheck had a lot of problems with Pierce, Hendricks had problems with Pierce and story and has iffy takedown defense if you watch him. I stand by what I said, Maia has stood with powerful strikers at MW but now he has a grappling and strength advantage I pick him in boyh of these fights, even though they won’t happen anytime soon barring an injury.

[audiogarden1]

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Khaine wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

This fight was not going to be a barn burner regardless, because look at who’s fighting. But no one wants to see that for 3 rounds. Again, its MIXED MARTIAL ARTS so why wouldnt i be annoyed at watching a guy practice RNC defense for 3 rounds?

[/quote]

I’d rather see Maia rodeo Fitch for a full 48 hours than watch him try to kickbox…

I’m liking his aggression at 170. If he can learn to incorporate some GnP and improve his takedowns (they look sloppy to me, no idea how Fitch didn’t defend them better), he can be a more exciting fighter, but his striking is never ever going to be worth watching.[/quote]

I agree about Maia’s striking. Im also with you about his take downs, i couldnt believe how flat and slow Fitch looked in trying to defend them. It almost seemed as if he didnt anticipate the take down, which was crazy to me.

Maia has proved he’s already top 10 at WW, and with some improvement can cement himself as being unquestionably top 5, Ill be surprised if he ever manages a title shot though. I see him getting KO’d by guys like Hendricks and possibly even Kos if forced to stand with them.

GSP would massacre him. [/quote]
I think he could beat Kos and Hendricks just based off of their problems with pressure grapplers. I give Kos a better chance then Hendricks though.[/quote]

Kos hasnt had a problem with a grappler since GSP.

Hendricks only has 1 loss, to Rick Story. By split.

Where the hell are you getting this idea from?

These guys have spent their lives defending take downs from guys who are far better at it than Maia. If he’s forced to stand, it could look like Maia/Marquardt all over again.

I could see Maia getting his ass beat by Ellenberger too. A physically strong guy with great wrestling and hits like a truck.

Maia is just too 1 dimensional in my opinion to make a title run. Hendricks and Ellenberger arent exactly the most well-rounded, but they have the benefit of incredible power in their strikes. Maia does not.

I wouldnt mind seeing him fight GSP though… Maybe for once we’d see GSP finish an opponent.
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Koscheck had a lot of problems with Pierce, Hendricks had problems with Pierce and story and has iffy takedown defense if you watch him. I stand by what I said, Maia has stood with powerful strikers at MW but now he has a grappling and strength advantage I pick him in boyh of these fights, even though they won’t happen anytime soon barring an injury.[/quote]

Pretty hard to argue that strength is on Maia’s side against any of the top wrestlers at 170; Ellenberger, GSP, Kos, Hendricks. Fitch may be a solid grappler, but in pure wrestling and strength, he is behind all 4 of the previously mentioned.

There is no way Maia is going to take down those guys like he did Fitch.

I get the feeling you are a pretty hard Maia nuthugger judging by the fact that you thought i was too much of a “bro” to appreciate his fight with Fitch. Im gonna file this one away under “agree to disagree”

We can revisit this after Maia faces a decorated wrestler.