Late to the party, just had to give my man Phil Davis some love. Way to finish bro. WE ARE…
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Sauber, Finsterschleicherin!
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That’s fucked up and not funny. Some people understand you here, bud. Quite frankly, it can be construed as racist.
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Sauber, Finsterschleicherin!
[/quote]
That’s fucked up and not funny. Some people understand you here, bud. Quite frankly, it can be construed as racist. [/quote]
It is racist. He knew exactly what he was doing. Unfortunately for him, I’m pretty familiar with the German language.
Hopefully, the next time people here make fun of Germany, he doesn’t throw a tantrum like a bitch.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Sauber, Finsterschleicherin!
[/quote]
That’s fucked up and not funny. Some people understand you here, bud. Quite frankly, it can be construed as racist. [/quote]
It is racist.
I hope, the next time people here make fun of Germany, he doesn’t throw a tantrum like a bitch.
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I only know one phrase in German. Google translate didn’t help me a whole lot here, since I could take that statement to mean that myself and FighinIrish need to get to cleaning. Was it German slang, or is google letting me down again?
I tend to doubt Schwarzfahrer was going for offensive, and it is pretty easy to give or get the wrong impression from a few typed out lines.
Regards,
Robert A
@ufc153
anyone else wondering about Herman using this weird stance with an outstretched arm?
At one time, his coaches even yelled at him to “assume stance” or something like that when he forgot.
Very weird, and probably a reason he lost.
You can’t do shit like that, not everyone is Jones.
@darkninja
-ahm…clearthroat…-
let me state very clearly while staying decidedly concise: lolwut!?
joke analysis:
Fellow tnationeer Darkninjaa left an opening Schwarzfahrer thought worthy enough to exploit via humoristic jab.
Her phrase “My brain was in German mode” might just leave some poeple musing about the particular qualitites, a nationally-induced mode of thinking might produce.
Since Schwarzfahrer* is internet-housebroken he went for an assuring remark - with a deadly twist:
Phrasing it in half-nonsical german that ALSO calls for an understanding of the situation and the good English, thereby incraeasing the potential humouroutput by a magnitude(!) through addressing only a special crowd of insiders.
Let’s examine a few popular phrase of reassurance:
a) Good for you!
b) Way to go!
c) Good dog!
Only “good dog” can be used as well in German, but wait!
An expert can tell this is a specialised remark to address the canis genus.
It is therefore of limited use on T-Nation, where only a handful of members hail from this species, eg Mountaindog. Most of them rarely log in anyway (Natedogg, Canis Dirus) so it’s probably of limited use.
But wait!
The experts agree that in order to fulfill our humoristic dream of addressing an insider crowd, we should pick something which might be so decisivly German, non-speakers could hardly follow.
The phrase “sauber” (clean) seems good enough. A cousin of the english colloquial phrase “neat”, it’s a common interjection to be overheard on football grounds after a someone scores a goal.
It is also a popular trait associated with Germans.
So there we are:
“Sauber, Darkninjaa!”
Toll, eh?
But wait! This could be a Meisterstueck!
What about “Darkninjaa”?
Can’t we put it in German?
Sadly, no.
There are no Ninjas in Germany, only Wolpertingers and Heinzelmaennchen are known stealthly qualities equal to the japanese assassin (never mind the homosexual cousin of the Heinzelmaennchen, the Mainzelmaennchen, who are quite the media whores).
If only Darkninjaa wasn’t japanese…
But what if we PRETEND?!
Sounds bescheuert? I know, but humour can make person do crazy things!
Like every good translator, we always go for the literal translation:
Dark=dunkel, duester, finster ← finster sounds cool
female Ninja [technically, that would be a Kunoichi but if Darkninjaa convinced the grammer police, I won’t object here]= Einbrecherin, Mörderin, Auftragskillerin ← sounds all very criminal.
Maybe we should focus on the stealthiness:
Lauererin (too weird), Fassadenklettererin (nein! must the german female suffix screw everything?) Schleicherin? Yes!
Let’s put our hard work together and reap the chuckling fruits of our respected peers, all done through hours of serious laughing labour; all sweats and perils will be forgotten for a second of anonymous glory.
One last test:
Can the Austrian Googlehupf Translator, a popular service in the internets, cope with our wit?
It says:“Clean, sinister Schlei Cherin”
Hooray, its only usable in PWI!
“Sauber, Finsterschleicherin” it is! (“Neat-o, Ebony Shinobi”)
Oh, joy!
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
@ufc153
anyone else wondering about Herman using this weird stance with an outstretched arm?
At one time, his coaches even yelled at him to “assume stance” or something like that when he forgot.
Very weird, and probably a reason he lost.
You can’t do shit like that, not everyone is Jones.
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Now that you mention it, my teacher was sitting next two me while we watched the fight and he remarked “What the hell is that kid(Herman) doing with his hand outstretched?”
I have seen it done in fencing, I think spanish/mediteranian stuff with swords and long knives, but it clearly was lacking for MMA.
It appears that the textbook was written for a reason, and Herman paid for deviating from the approved list. Worst part was that Nog was keeping his hands way, WAY too low and if Herman would have been in a position to throw a hook I think he could have scored plenty.
Schwarzfarher,
Are you familiar with the saying that “If you have to explain the joke, it isn’t funny.” Well, that saying is bullshit. THAT explanation was funny, at least to me.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]rundymc wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Yeah, Silva is a great fighter no question. I really enjoyed watching him take Bonnar out. But Jon Jones is too big and his ground game is on a higher level than silva’s. This is a man who dominates Lightheavy’s. If Sonnon beat up Silva for over 4 rounds can anyone imagine what Jones would do to him? Usually the person who moves up to fight the champion at the higher weight class loses. Silva/Jones would be no exception. And Silva/GSP would go the same way with the bigger man winning.
Everyone should stay at their own weight and forget about taking on the champ at the next higher weight class.
I wouldn’t say he necessarily has the better ground game.[/quote]
You are not sure that Jon Jones has a better ground game than Anderson Silva?
LOL…stop it.
Yet, he destroyed Bader ON THE GROUND.
But…you’re not comparing Belforts exceptional ground game to Anderson Silva’s are you? no you’re not doing that.
I agree.
I guess we must agree to disagree my friend.
I agree if Anderson Silva had a rib problem…IF. But Chael also took him down in the first round of their second fight and dominated. All Jones would need is one round on the ground with Silva with elbows flying and it would pretty much be over.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
@ufc153
anyone else wondering about Herman using this weird stance with an outstretched arm?
At one time, his coaches even yelled at him to “assume stance” or something like that when he forgot.
Very weird, and probably a reason he lost.
You can’t do shit like that, not everyone is Jones.
@darkninja
-ahm…clearthroat…-
let me state very clearly while staying decidedly concise: lolwut!?
joke analysis:
Fellow tnationeer Darkninjaa left an opening Schwarzfahrer thought worthy enough to exploit via humoristic jab.
Her phrase “My brain was in German mode” might just leave some poeple musing about the particular qualitites, a nationally-induced mode of thinking might produce.
Since Schwarzfahrer* is internet-housebroken he went for an assuring remark - with a deadly twist:
Phrasing it in half-nonsical german that ALSO calls for an understanding of the situation and the good English, thereby incraeasing the potential humouroutput by a magnitude(!) through addressing only a special crowd of insiders.
Let’s examine a few popular phrase of reassurance:
a) Good for you!
b) Way to go!
c) Good dog!
Only “good dog” can be used as well in German, but wait!
An expert can tell this is a specialised remark to address the canis genus.
It is therefore of limited use on T-Nation, where only a handful of members hail from this species, eg Mountaindog. Most of them rarely log in anyway (Natedogg, Canis Dirus) so it’s probably of limited use.
But wait!
The experts agree that in order to fulfill our humoristic dream of addressing an insider crowd, we should pick something which might be so decisivly German, non-speakers could hardly follow.
The phrase “sauber” (clean) seems good enough. A cousin of the english colloquial phrase “neat”, it’s a common interjection to be overheard on football grounds after a someone scores a goal.
It is also a popular trait associated with Germans.
So there we are:
“Sauber, Darkninjaa!”
Toll, eh?
But wait! This could be a Meisterstueck!
What about “Darkninjaa”?
Can’t we put it in German?
Sadly, no.
There are no Ninjas in Germany, only Wolpertingers and Heinzelmaennchen are known stealthly qualities equal to the japanese assassin (never mind the homosexual cousin of the Heinzelmaennchen, the Mainzelmaennchen, who are quite the media whores).
If only Darkninjaa wasn’t japanese…
But what if we PRETEND?!
Sounds bescheuert? I know, but humour can make person do crazy things!
Like every good translator, we always go for the literal translation:
Dark=dunkel, duester, finster ← finster sounds cool
female Ninja [technically, that would be a Kunoichi but if Darkninjaa convinced the grammer police, I won’t object here]= Einbrecherin, Mörderin, Auftragskillerin ← sounds all very criminal.
Maybe we should focus on the stealthiness:
Lauererin (too weird), Fassadenklettererin (nein! must the german female suffix screw everything?) Schleicherin? Yes!
Let’s put our hard work together and reap the chuckling fruits of our respected peers, all done through hours of serious laughing labour; all sweats and perils will be forgotten for a second of anonymous glory.
One last test:
Can the Austrian Googlehupf Translator, a popular service in the internets, cope with our wit?
It says:“Clean, sinister Schlei Cherin”
Hooray, its only usable in PWI!
“Sauber, Finsterschleicherin” it is! (“Neat-o, Ebony Shinobi”)
Oh, joy!
[/quote]
Damn, this was longer than The Treaty of Versailles! Dude, you need to get laid!
My initial reaction, when seeing your quote regarding ‘‘my brain in German mode’’ was to have a big smile on my face. I was rather impressed. You had perfectly translated my username. Dark ninja; Dark – not as black, ie, my race, colour of my skin – but dark as sinister, sombre, morbid, and of course, a ninja loves the shadows and stealth. I was pleased you had it right because many get it wrong around these parts.
But then as I rushed to reply to you in German about how cool your joke was, I wondered what if you actually didn’t mean what you said in the way I thought you said it. Lol. A couple of days ago, Robert A and I had a convo regarding a thread in this section, where people were making fun of Germany and you weren’t really happy about it. I assumed I had somehow offended you, that you took my post as another negative ‘‘German joke’’ and that pushed you to take a jibe at me, with a clever play of words. Hence, my reply to you.
I was like, dang it, I like reading this guy’s posts and I never had a beef with him and, suddenly he throws some really subtle racist jibes at me? What the fucking fuck? The other thread with the German jokes didn’t help with my judgement either. Hadn’t I read it, I would have probably taken your joke as it was intended to be 
My apologies for the misunderstanding.
/thread derail for real.
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
Late to the party, just had to give my man Phil Davis some love. Way to finish bro. WE ARE…[/quote]
Clinical display. Great fight.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
My apologies for the misunderstanding.
/thread derail for real.
[/quote]
My apologies as well. I am Dutch and my German is fairly good but I guess not good enough. It ‘sounded’ real harsh and quite frankly insulting in my head. Glad I was wrong. Glad I learned something
I really appreciate Schwarzfahrer explaining that. I realize it is not always possible to convey humor to another culture. Trust me, hard to explain Dutch jokes to my American friends and often vice versa as well even though my Dutch friends all speak English.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Yeah, Silva is a great fighter no question. I really enjoyed watching him take Bonnar out. But Jon Jones is too big and his ground game is on a higher level than silva’s. This is a man who dominates Lightheavy’s. If Sonnon beat up Silva for over 4 rounds can anyone imagine what Jones would do to him? Usually the person who moves up to fight the champion at the higher weight class loses. Silva/Jones would be no exception. And Silva/GSP would go the same way with the bigger man winning.
Everyone should stay at their own weight and forget about taking on the champ at the next higher weight class.
I wouldn’t say he necessarily has the better ground game.[/quote]
You are not sure that Jon Jones has a better ground game than Anderson Silva?
LOL…stop it.
Yet, he destroyed Bader ON THE GROUND.
But…you’re not comparing Belforts exceptional ground game to Anderson Silva’s are you? no you’re not doing that.
I agree.
I guess we must agree to disagree my friend.
I agree if Anderson Silva had a rib problem…IF. But Chael also took him down in the first round of their second fight and dominated. All Jones would need is one round on the ground with Silva with elbows flying and it would pretty much be over.
[/quote]
Lol it came out wrong. If you read Robert’s response above, those are essentially my opinions, except, you know, expressed in a manner that is actually eloquent, i.e I don’t think Jon is technically superior to Anderson on the ground.
If we’re talking whether or not Jones gets Anderson down, yes, yes he can (and will). As to whether or not he beats him up from there, I think odds are he will, BUT, I’ve always been impressed with how Anderson avoids damage from his back, so I don’t consider the fight a whitewash.
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
It ‘sounded’ real harsh and quite frankly insulting in my head.
[/quote]
That’s how it felt to me the second time I read it. My reaction went from , ‘‘oh cool :)’’ to ‘‘not so cool, grrr!!!’’, as in my head, sombre, became darkie or, other derogatory word that you can associate with the word dark/black…
I spent a part of my childhood in Hamburg, I still go there occasionally to visit relatives, so I’m quite used to the way some German people use subtle ways to convey their racism.
Anyway, I guess we all got lost in translation
[quote]rundymc wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Yeah, Silva is a great fighter no question. I really enjoyed watching him take Bonnar out. But Jon Jones is too big and his ground game is on a higher level than silva’s. This is a man who dominates Lightheavy’s. If Sonnon beat up Silva for over 4 rounds can anyone imagine what Jones would do to him? Usually the person who moves up to fight the champion at the higher weight class loses. Silva/Jones would be no exception. And Silva/GSP would go the same way with the bigger man winning.
Everyone should stay at their own weight and forget about taking on the champ at the next higher weight class.
I wouldn’t say he necessarily has the better ground game.[/quote]
You are not sure that Jon Jones has a better ground game than Anderson Silva?
LOL…stop it.
Yet, he destroyed Bader ON THE GROUND.
But…you’re not comparing Belforts exceptional ground game to Anderson Silva’s are you? no you’re not doing that.
I agree.
I guess we must agree to disagree my friend.
I agree if Anderson Silva had a rib problem…IF. But Chael also took him down in the first round of their second fight and dominated. All Jones would need is one round on the ground with Silva with elbows flying and it would pretty much be over.
[/quote]
Lol it came out wrong. If you read Robert’s response above, those are essentially my opinions, except, you know, expressed in a manner that is actually eloquent, i.e I don’t think Jon is technically superior to Anderson on the ground.
If we’re talking whether or not Jones gets Anderson down, yes, yes he can (and will). As to whether or not he beats him up from there, I think odds are he will, BUT, I’ve always been impressed with how Anderson avoids damage from his back, so I don’t consider the fight a whitewash.[/quote]
If they ever do have the fight I’d love to make a bet with you. I think Jones would wipe up the Octagon with Silva. And I hold Silva in high regard he is truly a great fighter. But Jones is just too big and far too skillful on the ground. And he can put anyone on the ground that wants. Ask Evans and the other long list of opponents he has defeated. And many were exceptional wrestlers who know how to defend a take down attempt. Silva was taken down by Sonnon who has not nearly the skill set of a Jon Jones. Silva’s takedown defense is not nearly up to the skill level that his stand up game is.
Anyway…hat’s how I read it. If Dana White ponies up the money I think we’ll all get to see that match up.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Yeah, Silva is a great fighter no question. I really enjoyed watching him take Bonnar out. But Jon Jones is too big and his ground game is on a higher level than silva’s. This is a man who dominates Lightheavy’s. If Sonnon beat up Silva for over 4 rounds can anyone imagine what Jones would do to him? Usually the person who moves up to fight the champion at the higher weight class loses. Silva/Jones would be no exception. And Silva/GSP would go the same way with the bigger man winning.
Everyone should stay at their own weight and forget about taking on the champ at the next higher weight class.
I wouldn’t say he necessarily has the better ground game.[/quote]
You are not sure that Jon Jones has a better ground game than Anderson Silva?
LOL…stop it.
Yet, he destroyed Bader ON THE GROUND.
But…you’re not comparing Belforts exceptional ground game to Anderson Silva’s are you? no you’re not doing that.
I agree.
I guess we must agree to disagree my friend.
I agree if Anderson Silva had a rib problem…IF. But Chael also took him down in the first round of their second fight and dominated. All Jones would need is one round on the ground with Silva with elbows flying and it would pretty much be over.
[/quote]
Lol it came out wrong. If you read Robert’s response above, those are essentially my opinions, except, you know, expressed in a manner that is actually eloquent, i.e I don’t think Jon is technically superior to Anderson on the ground.
If we’re talking whether or not Jones gets Anderson down, yes, yes he can (and will). As to whether or not he beats him up from there, I think odds are he will, BUT, I’ve always been impressed with how Anderson avoids damage from his back, so I don’t consider the fight a whitewash.[/quote]
If they ever do have the fight I’d love to make a bet with you. I think Jones would wipe up the Octagon with Silva. And I hold Silva in high regard he is truly a great fighter. But Jones is just too big and far too skillful on the ground. And he can put anyone on the ground that wants. Ask Evans and the other long list of opponents he has defeated. And many were exceptional wrestlers who know how to defend a take down attempt. Silva was taken down by Sonnon who has not nearly the skill set of a Jon Jones. Silva’s takedown defense is not nearly up to the skill level that his stand up game is.
Anyway…hat’s how I read it. If Dana White ponies up the money I think we’ll all get to see that match up.[/quote]
If Jones ever does fight Silva, i’d probably give Jones the edge to win. But you can’t honestly believe that Sonnen’s takedown skills aren’t at least at the same level as Jones’ (I’d honestly say they are higher level, at least from a distance).
Jones uses his physical gifts very effectively (especially his reach), but his usual “keep you at a distance with low side kicks and outstretched arm, then shoot in for a takedown once you become frustrated and confused/off balance” strategy would not likely work against Silva. Heck, he was losing on his feet to Machida, I highly doubt that Anderson would fair worse against him. The difference is that with Anderson’s accuracy and timing, it would only take one mistake for him to gain the advantage, or possibly even finish the fight.
In other words, Jones would have to employ a totally different strategy than the one he has been so successful with in his past few title defenses, and I’m not so sure that puts him at a great advantage any more. He might still pull off the victory, simply due to his superior physicality and ever improving skill sets, but I’d agree with run that it’s not a “gimme” win.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
If Jones ever does fight Silva, i’d probably give Jones the edge to win. But you can’t honestly believe that Sonnen’s takedown skills aren’t at least at the same level as Jones’ (I’d honestly say they are higher level, at least from a distance).
Jones uses his physical gifts very effectively (especially his reach), but his usual “keep you at a distance with low side kicks and outstretched arm, then shoot in for a takedown once you become frustrated and confused/off balance” strategy would not likely work against Silva. Heck, he was losing on his feet to Machida, I highly doubt that Anderson would fair worse against him. The difference is that with Anderson’s accuracy and timing, it would only take one mistake for him to gain the advantage, or possibly even finish the fight.
In other words, Jones would have to employ a totally different strategy than the one he has been so successful with in his past few title defenses, and I’m not so sure that puts him at a great advantage any more. He might still pull off the victory, simply due to his superior physicality and ever improving skill sets, but I’d agree with run that it’s not a “gimme” win.
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Don’t know where this came from, but I strongly challenge the idea that Machida was outstriking Jones. Jones landed twice as many significant and total strikes, it was just that Machida ALSO landed a few, which is unusual in a fight against Jones. That fight was ever only going one way though.
Sonnen’s power double is probably top two in MMA. Jones is not even close. But then, the power double is there to close the range. Given that Jones has 7 inches on Silva (who NEVER gives up range at MW), he has no need to shoot for a takedown from the outside.
Things that are interesting about this hypothetical fight:
- how does Silva deal with being outmatched in the range department, by a fighter that knows how to take advantage of it?
- if/when it comes to clinching, how does Silva handle the body strength and Greco takedowns of Jones?
- if/when it goes to ground, can Silva threaten off his back successfully, preventing Jones from simply beating him up from inside his guard?
For the record, while I would put my money on Jones, I don’t think this fight is a clear cut win for him.
[quote]Khaine wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
If Jones ever does fight Silva, i’d probably give Jones the edge to win. But you can’t honestly believe that Sonnen’s takedown skills aren’t at least at the same level as Jones’ (I’d honestly say they are higher level, at least from a distance).
Jones uses his physical gifts very effectively (especially his reach), but his usual “keep you at a distance with low side kicks and outstretched arm, then shoot in for a takedown once you become frustrated and confused/off balance” strategy would not likely work against Silva. Heck, he was losing on his feet to Machida, I highly doubt that Anderson would fair worse against him. The difference is that with Anderson’s accuracy and timing, it would only take one mistake for him to gain the advantage, or possibly even finish the fight.
In other words, Jones would have to employ a totally different strategy than the one he has been so successful with in his past few title defenses, and I’m not so sure that puts him at a great advantage any more. He might still pull off the victory, simply due to his superior physicality and ever improving skill sets, but I’d agree with run that it’s not a “gimme” win.
[/quote]
Don’t know where this came from, but I strongly challenge the idea that Machida was outstriking Jones. Jones landed twice as many significant and total strikes, it was just that Machida ALSO landed a few, which is unusual in a fight against Jones. That fight was ever only going one way though.
Sonnen’s power double is probably top two in MMA. Jones is not even close. But then, the power double is there to close the range. Given that Jones has 7 inches on Silva (who NEVER gives up range at MW), he has no need to shoot for a takedown from the outside.
Things that are interesting about this hypothetical fight:
- how does Silva deal with being outmatched in the range department, by a fighter that knows how to take advantage of it?
- if/when it comes to clinching, how does Silva handle the body strength and Greco takedowns of Jones?
- if/when it goes to ground, can Silva threaten off his back successfully, preventing Jones from simply beating him up from inside his guard?
For the record, while I would put my money on Jones, I don’t think this fight is a clear cut win for him.[/quote]
It came from the fact machida WAS outstriking jones.
The first round was a clear win for Machida how you could see it any other way, I’m not sure.
His timing was spot on, but also spot on was Jones adjustment the next round. Even compustrike has machida outlanding jones and compustrike is hardly the most discerning of systems.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]Khaine wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
If Jones ever does fight Silva, i’d probably give Jones the edge to win. But you can’t honestly believe that Sonnen’s takedown skills aren’t at least at the same level as Jones’ (I’d honestly say they are higher level, at least from a distance).
Jones uses his physical gifts very effectively (especially his reach), but his usual “keep you at a distance with low side kicks and outstretched arm, then shoot in for a takedown once you become frustrated and confused/off balance” strategy would not likely work against Silva. Heck, he was losing on his feet to Machida, I highly doubt that Anderson would fair worse against him. The difference is that with Anderson’s accuracy and timing, it would only take one mistake for him to gain the advantage, or possibly even finish the fight.
In other words, Jones would have to employ a totally different strategy than the one he has been so successful with in his past few title defenses, and I’m not so sure that puts him at a great advantage any more. He might still pull off the victory, simply due to his superior physicality and ever improving skill sets, but I’d agree with run that it’s not a “gimme” win.
[/quote]
Don’t know where this came from, but I strongly challenge the idea that Machida was outstriking Jones. Jones landed twice as many significant and total strikes, it was just that Machida ALSO landed a few, which is unusual in a fight against Jones. That fight was ever only going one way though.
Sonnen’s power double is probably top two in MMA. Jones is not even close. But then, the power double is there to close the range. Given that Jones has 7 inches on Silva (who NEVER gives up range at MW), he has no need to shoot for a takedown from the outside.
Things that are interesting about this hypothetical fight:
- how does Silva deal with being outmatched in the range department, by a fighter that knows how to take advantage of it?
- if/when it comes to clinching, how does Silva handle the body strength and Greco takedowns of Jones?
- if/when it goes to ground, can Silva threaten off his back successfully, preventing Jones from simply beating him up from inside his guard?
For the record, while I would put my money on Jones, I don’t think this fight is a clear cut win for him.[/quote]
It came from the fact machida WAS outstriking jones.
The first round was a clear win for Machida how you could see it any other way, I’m not sure.
His timing was spot on, but also spot on was Jones adjustment the next round. Even compustrike has machida outlanding jones and compustrike is hardly the most discerning of systems.
[/quote]
http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3678
Well…
[quote]Khaine wrote:
Things that are interesting about this hypothetical fight:
- how does Silva deal with being outmatched in the range department, by a fighter that knows how to take advantage of it?
- if/when it comes to clinching, how does Silva handle the body strength and Greco takedowns of Jones?
- if/when it goes to ground, can Silva threaten off his back successfully, preventing Jones from simply beating him up from inside his guard?
[…][/quote]
Yes.
Range plays such a huge role in boxing, which is Silva’s greatest asset vs Jones.
Shogun Rua was always great with dishing out while going forward, while Silva rarely presses during a counter, he counters hard while standing on the spot.
Of course, once they are dazed, he does all sorts of violent stuff, but that’s beside the point.
The knees won’t be an ace against Jones, simply because of his abnormal body mechanics and good greco.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
@Schwarzfahrer
…
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So I actually got it right since I thought it was a joke all the time? Phew. To be honest, I’ve never thought of the correlation between the colour of your skin and the word “dark” in your user name. Yes, I’m probably this naive and nonracist.