First thing is first for the Keyboardy
Here you go
password is sonnensmackdown
Watch it. There’s at least 3-4 if not more definite and effective strikes the first of which was more than enough
[quote]qsar wrote:
Arguing about who knows more about analyzing a fight is pointless.
It was clear Silva’s counter punch didn’t land - Sonnen had a spring to his step right after and a spinning back fist is not something you try if you’re hurt/dizzy/unbalanced. I’m not going to believe in a magical punch that has no effect for 5 seconds and then overcomes you. Are you able to follow thus far?
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Fine, bank that one and let’s side with you on that. Let’s say that the quick counter really didn’t do much, ignoring the fact that he is extremely accurate and likewise the quick counter he put on Griffin didn’t look like much either until Forrest’s legs completely left from out under him.
Sonnen loses his balance because of an intended slip and duck from his opponent. This wasn’t some accidental slip so don’t down play it. Silva saw his move from a mile away. Actually when I watched the build up to the fight and saw Sonnen practising this with his trainer, I thought this guy is gonna get totalled when he tries that move.
Even as a lifelong Muay Thai Stylist I have never used that move in a fight or in sparring. Unless your fucking Saenchai, that move will never work for you. Only an elite few can make that move work in the ring/cage. Sonnen definitely is not one of them so when you try a move you cannot fucking do and try it on someone who can see two steps ahead of you, the result is always going to be that you will be on your ass in true ‘wtf just happened’ fashion.
Silva was not off balance, he clearly steps off to his right with a deliberate step. Perhaps footwork alludes you. He clearly uses the fence to his advantage which is an indication of his spatial awareness and complete understanding of where he is.
In contrast, Sonnen had no clue what just happened. Ever had the floor slip out from under you and be in mid air thinking in slow motion, holy fuck, I wonder which part of my body is gonna cop the brunt of this fall? Well that’s the feeling you get when you miss so bad. Sonnen isn’t privy to special skills, he fell on his ass in a daze, quite simple.
You think it’s plenty of time because your ass hasn’t been on the receiving end of a shotgun fighter.
When you watch replay’s of yourself you always say, shit why didn’t I do this, why didn’t I do that. Why was I slow here. Why didn’t I capitalise on that?
Sure, he once wrestled and wrestled well. He’s no longer in a wrestling match and is looking down the barrel of a loaded gun.
Slow the fuck down and watch the time Sonnen lands on his ass in the link I provided. He falls at 8 seconds and at the 10 second mark Anderson’s knee is buried and driving through his chest.
What drugs are you on that you expect a human being to react with precision thinking in 2 seconds, especially when they have been humiliated into a situation of off balance, and staring back at a devastating striker?
[quote]qsar wrote: Am I going too fast for you? Should I have pictures to illustrate?
Sonnen stays on the ground for whatever magical reason, scoots to the fence for whatever magical reason, then takes a knee that doesn’t hit clean by any stretch of the imagination. [/quote]
Knee that doesn’t hit clean ay?
You spoke of mechanics, take a look at Sonnens mechanics when that knee drives right into his chest as Anderson winds his whole body into it.
No magic there. Just brutality evidenced by Sonnens crawl into a ball falling to his right side in the foetal position. You understand why humans resort to the foetal position in times of danger don’t you?
[quote]qsar wrote: Should I elaborate for you to understand?
Then Sonnen curls up and Silva proceeds to mindlessly beat at the drums. One problem. The referee is not calling it and because none of Silva’s hits are landing, it’s starting to look really obvious. With me so far?
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Maybe this is only the 5th or so fight you’ve watched. In championship fights, fighters are given the opportunity to respond, react and if they show some form of defence then they are given a little more stretch. Guaranteed if that was a first time fighter the ref would have stepped in but we’re talking about a 5 rounder with two experienced guys who are both tough as nails. If we were to go by your theory then Chaels dominant position in the first round was enough to have the Ref step in. Luckily you’re not the ref because Chael hits like a girl and the ref can hear, see and probably feel the ineffectiveness.
I have no doubt he probably also heard Chael’s big release of air when he got the life kneed out of him.
Being that close and seeing the eyes, hearing the breath and generally feeling the soul and will leave a fighter gives you a clue about when to stop a fight, not sitting at home in front of your tv
[quote]qsar wrote: So Sonnen resets, gets up. Now, ANY wrestler when in trouble will immediately and instinctively shoot for the opponent. In Sonnen’s fight with Bisping, Sonnen admitted Bisping hit him hard on the first round. Sonnen says he doesn’t remember the second half of that round at all. What happened in that second half was Sonnen’s body acting on reflex. The mechanics that resulted from decades of training. He held on to Bisping the rest of the round - instinctively, subconsciously, reflexively. Is the logic too difficult for you to understand?
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Again, two seconds and staring down the shotgun and you want him to wrestle after falling to his ass in humiliating fashion. You want his reflexes to kick in when he has no spatial orientation momentarily and after regrouping for 1 second is already staring at a diving knee another second later? A knee for which he has no clue if it is coming at his head?
If it’s any consolation, he did reflexively go to his wrestling after getting clipped with the counter. When he resets after that short right you can see his legs give out momenarily until he regroups. Then his instinct kicks in. After the knee? no way you can be about your wits after such a body shot.
[quote]qsar wrote: Back to yesterday’s fight. Sonnen is in trouble. He gets up. Does he shoot? Does he attempt to grapple in any way? No, he stands there and waits for a punch from Silva to wistfully grace his hair. He proceeds to go down like he got hit in the back of the head with a sledge hammer. Strange?
Does he try to grapple? No, even though he is evidently alert enough to block the blows almost perfectly. Did I lose you?
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Perhaps the punch you talk about was wistful but 100% you have never been hit in the body before to know what it does to you. I’ll take a jaw knock out over a body punch knock out any day.
The mere fact Sonnen even tried to climb back up Anderson after being downed is a big testament to his heart but that pain is like a knife digging in and out of you and being turned around. Until you’ve been hit by a bomb like that, seriously shut the fuck up about all your other attempts to brush off any strike Anderson made. Perhaps some were glancing, it doesn’t matter, you don’t flip a switch and recover in 2 seconds in a fight. It’s not sparring and not training but you’d know that ay keyboardy?
[quote]qsar wrote:I argue you look at the fight and see what you want to see. Money.Exchanged.Hands.
We don’t want to UFC to suffer the fate as Boxing. [/quote]
You should go ask Dana for a job if you care so much. Money did exchange hands. From Zuffa to Anderson’s bank account for putting the smack down on Sonnen.
