would anyone bet on chael hes plus 225
[quote]yoitspmart wrote:
would anyone bet on chael hes plus 225[/quote]
I bet on him when he was at +235. He did look a bit off against Bisping so I wonder if his body is starting to break down already from all the training and weightcutting, Silva on the other hand is getting old too, and Sonnen is a pretty bad match up for him stylewise, plus I really like Sonnen as a fighter and I find his public persona entertaining, while Silva, mostly after his performance against Maia, lost all my interest and I’ve just hoped someone would come along and smash his face in ever since that day. Hope Sonnen can pull it off, and it would really bring some new interest to 185 as well, Sonnen isn’t the same kind of invincible superhuman that the likes of Aldo, GSP, AS or JBJ have seemed to be, and knowing what he has put his body trough since kid somethings got to give sooner or later. So, I’m rooting for Sonnen and I think he can pull off the upset, Silva seems pretty mad at the shit Sonnen has been talking so maybe Sonnen is inside of his head, who knows. Thank god we are about to find out soon, the wait is killing me 
LOL
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
LOL
Hahaha! I just commented about this on another thread.
Chael is fucking hilarious. What always get me are his face expressions. He eludes so much seriousness when he talks that if you didn’t know he can be such a shit talker, you’d easily believe him.
[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:
[quote]yoitspmart wrote:
would anyone bet on chael hes plus 225[/quote]
I bet on him when he was at +235. He did look a bit off against Bisping so I wonder if his body is starting to break down already from all the training and weightcutting, Silva on the other hand is getting old too, and Sonnen is a pretty bad match up for him stylewise, plus I really like Sonnen as a fighter and I find his public persona entertaining, while Silva, mostly after his performance against Maia, lost all my interest and I’ve just hoped someone would come along and smash his face in ever since that day. Hope Sonnen can pull it off, and it would really bring some new interest to 185 as well, Sonnen isn’t the same kind of invincible superhuman that the likes of Aldo, GSP, AS or JBJ have seemed to be, and knowing what he has put his body trough since kid somethings got to give sooner or later. So, I’m rooting for Sonnen and I think he can pull off the upset, Silva seems pretty mad at the shit Sonnen has been talking so maybe Sonnen is inside of his head, who knows. Thank god we are about to find out soon, the wait is killing me :)[/quote]
yea the last fight agianst Bisbing is whats throwing me off from betting on him but the +225 is looking pretty good
seagal is douchbag…look up his life early training, most Aikido purists realize he’s a toolbox. is he/was he talented?sure. did he fuck over his ex-wife leave her in Japan and then try to bang every skirt in hollywood? yup. can i hate him for that? nope. but he sure is sleazy w/ that fake hair and sunglasses. apparently in addition to to teaching silva the deadly front kick he’s now added three “thought to be but not illegal” deadly moves!!! nice.
and here is a chael interview. the truth, i do hope he gets KO’d in the 1st but…i am starting to like the guy, he is a beast!
also…HI NINJJA …
shit’s getting full-retard bananas
UFC could go full circle, historically speaking, and let Seagal do some of his comedy between fight.
It would be akin to midgets doing fake matches, you know, back then when gladiators brutalized bears and sodomized christians in the arena.
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
and here is a chael interview. the truth, i do hope he gets KO’d in the 1st but…i am starting to like the guy, he is a beast!
also…HI NINJJA …
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Hiiii there Cyrus
No way Chael’s getting KO’d in the 1st. That’ll be fucking boring.
I expect them to go all the way to the 5th. Okay… maybe the 4th round.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
shit’s getting full-retard bananas
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‘‘We’re gonna really really really be…deep.’’ Lol!
[quote]humble wrote:
[…]trying to break a fight down into tiny pieces and justify his analysis with video snap shots.
Fact is, fighting is not in snap shots. Fighting is a combination of many factors.
The fact that most fighters are insanely robotic, predictable and rehash the same old techniques just with more speed or power or with more repetitive endurance is what makes most fighters beat others now days.
However, Silva doesn’t fall into this category as he has a creative ability when he fights which compliments his other otherwise same abilities other fighters have.
Every fighter can throw a front kick, a jab, a cross, a basic take down and so on. How you piece them all together, the angles you do them from and when you do them is a different thing altogether.
To assume a fight has to evolve a certain way only is dumb shit and the reason why Anderson keeps winning is he doesn’t sport you even though he is very sportsmanlike. He fights you and beats you.
Most of the guys are just MMA trainees. Anderson is a natural and creative fighter and to analyse him the way that guy did in ‘snapshots’ is plain fucken amateur.
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Some very good points.
Specific setups, go-to techniques and weaknesses are one thing, these can be debated all day long.
But the guy ventures into spaces a bit too airy.
Take Crocop. Everyone knew he would look to decapitate you.
“Oh, he goes down - Why didn’t hear listen to the armchair seers of lofty Farfetchtya! They told him to look out for the high kick! If only this guy have had teh internets!”
Some guys have a lousy jab, no footwork, just a nice right they can fling at you crossed, and also with hate.
That’s not the worst combo.
But them armchair seers looove analyzing the angle down to the toe placement.
Sonnen has an interesting thing as his wrestling is so forceful, that his standup could be worse then Shinya Aoki’s. That’s the gay, checkered gorilla on Krokodil-laced steroids in the room er… Octagon.
He’s the best relentless, smothering, hunter-killer wrestler.
His intention to shoot and clinch is the dominant element that his opponent has to face.
Chael can swing barn-door wide haymakers, because of that; on his level, just juggling with the two fundamental ranges so abruptly will keep your opponent guessing.
And Chael knows this well, it’s his trump card he plays it masterfully.
Can Anderson cope with it? Probably, but it won’t be because of Bruce Leeesque shin kicks as the article claim, among other things!
Chael has a chance if he survives the first two rounds without taking damage. There won’t be a surprise submission this time. But it’s doubtful.
Silva will just time it better this time as long as his coaches have him spar strong wrestlers with broken-rythm takedown & haymakers.
A right to the jaw, I say. There you have it.
I mean: Anderson will employ a check-hook, nipple high, as in Wonkaman vs Cunteaterski -insert gif- but with different curvature off by -5 degrees. Chael could counter that by reading Silva’s left venus dimple and jump into one-armed hippopotamus guard…
I think if this fight goes as planned for Silva, it’s going to be much like Penn vs Pulver II. Penn absolutely toyed with Pulver, inflicting as much pain, by releasing an arm bar and refusing to go for a rear naked choke when Pulver intentionally gave him his back, hoping the fight would end.
I heard an interview with Pulver in which he basically said, “So I’m getting my ass kicked and I figure I’m gonna get out of this by giving him my back, but he doesn’t go for the choke and I realize, ‘Okay, it’s gonna be that kind of fight.’ So I roll back over to get my ass kicked some more.”
Think about the damage Noguera could have inflicted on Mir if he had simply stood up and not gone for that submission.
I predict Silva will not go for a KO or sub. That any time he has Chael in real trouble he will just back off and let Chael get back to his feet. And this will go on and on as long as the ref and Sonnen’s corner will allow it.
That being said, I’m a huge Silva fan and think he is going to lose. I have no idea why and hate the thought. Just a feeling I have. Hope I’m wrong and we get to see the scenario above.
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=2024619&forum=1&page=1&pc=14
Bonquisha from the UG breaks down Sonnen’s ground game and standup grappling.
^^ excellent link.
a very good write up.
a great breakdown of how some basic tenants of wrestling - when executed by a skilled athlete
make all the difference
Sonnen is an interesting wrestler- many Greco guys excel there- because they couldn’t in collegiate.
so here you have someone who is superb at all the nuance- but also has great clinch work.
rare.
Just in case no one has seen it yet…the whole thing anways.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]humble wrote:
[…]trying to break a fight down into tiny pieces and justify his analysis with video snap shots.
Fact is, fighting is not in snap shots. Fighting is a combination of many factors.
The fact that most fighters are insanely robotic, predictable and rehash the same old techniques just with more speed or power or with more repetitive endurance is what makes most fighters beat others now days.
However, Silva doesn’t fall into this category as he has a creative ability when he fights which compliments his other otherwise same abilities other fighters have.
Every fighter can throw a front kick, a jab, a cross, a basic take down and so on. How you piece them all together, the angles you do them from and when you do them is a different thing altogether.
To assume a fight has to evolve a certain way only is dumb shit and the reason why Anderson keeps winning is he doesn’t sport you even though he is very sportsmanlike. He fights you and beats you.
Most of the guys are just MMA trainees. Anderson is a natural and creative fighter and to analyse him the way that guy did in ‘snapshots’ is plain fucken amateur.
[/quote]
Some very good points.
Specific setups, go-to techniques and weaknesses are one thing, these can be debated all day long.
But the guy ventures into spaces a bit too airy.
Take Crocop. Everyone knew he would look to decapitate you.
“Oh, he goes down - Why didn’t hear listen to the armchair seers of lofty Farfetchtya! They told him to look out for the high kick! If only this guy have had teh internets!”
Some guys have a lousy jab, no footwork, just a nice right they can fling at you crossed, and also with hate.
That’s not the worst combo.
But them armchair seers looove analyzing the angle down to the toe placement.
Sonnen has an interesting thing as his wrestling is so forceful, that his standup could be worse then Shinya Aoki’s. That’s the gay, checkered gorilla on Krokodil-laced steroids in the room er… Octagon.
He’s the best relentless, smothering, hunter-killer wrestler.
His intention to shoot and clinch is the dominant element that his opponent has to face.
Chael can swing barn-door wide haymakers, because of that; on his level, just juggling with the two fundamental ranges so abruptly will keep your opponent guessing.
And Chael knows this well, it’s his trump card he plays it masterfully.
Can Anderson cope with it? Probably, but it won’t be because of Bruce Leeesque shin kicks as the article claim, among other things!
Chael has a chance if he survives the first two rounds without taking damage. There won’t be a surprise submission this time. But it’s doubtful.
Silva will just time it better this time as long as his coaches have him spar strong wrestlers with broken-rythm takedown & haymakers.
A right to the jaw, I say. There you have it.
I mean: Anderson will employ a check-hook, nipple high, as in Wonkaman vs Cunteaterski -insert gif- but with different curvature off by -5 degrees. Chael could counter that by
reading Silva’s left venus dimple and jump into one-armed hippopotamus guard…[/quote]
You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. Never once in those articles did he say “the fight is going to THIS way because and ” it was just an analysis of Silva’s tactical choices that came about from his early career experiences. A very good analysis at that.
You guys are basically saying technique does not matter and should never be analyzed because, well, shit just happens. Clearly that is not the case, or fighting never would’ve evolved past “bite down on your gumshield and go”.
I like to sometimes lead with the hook in boxing because it takes me to the outside of my opponents power hand and all I have to do is circle off and I’ve created an angle where I can attack and very rarely do my opponents have good enough footwork to stop me from doing this. Against southpaws, I use it even more frequently because it’s very easy to step out with the right hand and they can’t do much to counter. Against a more talented opponent, I might be in trouble doing this.
^ that’s my analysis of why I choose specific maneuvers. How is that any different from slack’s analysis of various fighters techniques?
No one is saying that random factors do not play into fights.
Look, I simply say that complicated stuff will not play a role in this fight. -btw, I like the article rundymc posted a lot better-
Both guys are polar opposites of themselves and would gladly spend not one second in the other’s zone of forte.
A clean situation where technique x will beat setup y won’t happen, this is not a BJJ duel.
Not that this will prevent after-bout gif analyis…
Sonnen did a huge cut and cut his final 20 in the last day down from 230lb, he looked exhausted and dehydrated to the max. I say silva will beat his legs and body and finish it in the 4th.
with an axe kick i reckon
Chael by inverted triangle 
Jokes aside, I wonder how Anderson will fare with Sonnen and his takedowns this time round, I hate Sonnen so much I actually like him and would love the UFC middleweight champion be such a train wreck.
End of the day both are profesional fighters and deserve respect, but I am rooting for Chael for one reason, he brings the lulz.
Sherdog is going to explode tommorow