My beef with this whole performance was that Condit could’ve done more to make it a fight. He could’ve engaged more instead of sniping from a distance and backing out, which was what he did.
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Hmm…so what kind of fight was he supposed to turn it into?? A short one…for him??? [/quote]
A more dominant one would’ve been nice. One where he actually tried to engage and do damage. Carlos landed two great combos. One that was shown at the end of the fight, and another Rodimus was talking about. Other than that, it was leg kick after leg kick.
That fight sucked because of Carlos. At the very least, Diaz was trying, unsuccessfully, to engage.
My beef with this whole performance was that Condit could’ve done more to make it a fight. He could’ve engaged more instead of sniping from a distance and backing out, which was what he did.
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Hmm…so what kind of fight was he supposed to turn it into?? A short one…for him??? [/quote]
A more dominant one would’ve been nice. One where he actually tried to engage and do damage. Carlos landed two great combos. One that was shown at the end of the fight, and another Rodimus was talking about. Other than that, it was leg kick after leg kick.
That fight sucked because of Carlos. At the very least, Diaz was trying, unsuccessfully, to engage.[/quote]
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
How in the hell can you respect technical,strategic fights…YET act as if Condit did absolutely nothing but run??? Somewhere in all that running he managed to outstrike Diaz…and hit him with cleaner power shots…AND not get into the brawl Diaz wants. How does that happen without a teleportation device and/or the ability to stop time???[/quote]
It might be my untrained eye, but I didn’t see the fight like that.
I didn’t think Carlos landed cleaner shots (leg strikes excluded of course). And other than a couple (didn’t count) of knees, and the occasional counter, Diaz peppered him more.
The story of the fight, and the reason the judges gave Carlos rounds, were the kicks. Which would be fine with me, if they actually appeared to be effective. Since they weren’t I felt they served more to keep Diaz at a distance and of course, “score points”.[/quote]
Condit landed a lot of clean shots, to include a front kick to the face of Diaz in Round 4. The leg kicks were pretty effective, as they did slow Diaz down a bit, and took some pepper off his punches. As Boss pointed out, though, it would have been foolish of Condit to fall into Diaz’s strength with brawling, as Diaz is very good at overwhelming folks with his punches.[/quote]
Yup, that’s the one.
I didn’t notice him slowing down from the leg kicks though. Perhaps I need to rewatch the fight instead of getting schooled by actual fighters, lol.
My beef with this whole performance was that Condit could’ve done more to make it a fight. He could’ve engaged more instead of sniping from a distance and backing out, which was what he did.
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Hmm…so what kind of fight was he supposed to turn it into?? A short one…for him??? [/quote]
A more dominant one would’ve been nice. One where he actually tried to engage and do damage. Carlos landed two great combos. One that was shown at the end of the fight, and another Rodimus was talking about. Other than that, it was leg kick after leg kick.
That fight sucked because of Carlos. At the very least, Diaz was trying, unsuccessfully, to engage.[/quote]
Are you intoxicated? [/quote]
It’s 5pm over here, and I’m not Australian, so no. Not yet anyway.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
How in the hell can you respect technical,strategic fights…YET act as if Condit did absolutely nothing but run??? Somewhere in all that running he managed to outstrike Diaz…and hit him with cleaner power shots…AND not get into the brawl Diaz wants. How does that happen without a teleportation device and/or the ability to stop time???[/quote]
It might be my untrained eye, but I didn’t see the fight like that.
I didn’t think Carlos landed cleaner shots (leg strikes excluded of course). And other than a couple (didn’t count) of knees, and the occasional counter, Diaz peppered him more.
The story of the fight, and the reason the judges gave Carlos rounds, were the kicks. Which would be fine with me, if they actually appeared to be effective. Since they weren’t I felt they served more to keep Diaz at a distance and of course, “score points”.[/quote]
Condit landed a lot of clean shots, to include a front kick to the face of Diaz in Round 4. The leg kicks were pretty effective, as they did slow Diaz down a bit, and took some pepper off his punches. As Boss pointed out, though, it would have been foolish of Condit to fall into Diaz’s strength with brawling, as Diaz is very good at overwhelming folks with his punches.[/quote]
Yup, that’s the one.
I didn’t notice him slowing down from the leg kicks though. Perhaps I need to rewatch the fight instead of getting schooled by actual fighters, lol.[/quote]
lol. While you re-watch, go watch a couple of fights involving the P4P best fighter in the world. Specifically against Patrick Cote and Demian Maia. Then get back to us as to how Condit stunk up the place.
You think they significantly reduced his mobility though? I remember Diaz following Penn along the cage pretty well. In this fight it looked like he was trying to rush Carlos into the cage out of frustration.
[quote]rundymc wrote:
You think they significantly reduced his mobility though? I remember Diaz following Penn along the cage pretty well. In this fight it looked like he was trying to rush Carlos into the cage out of frustration.[/quote]
so I didnt see the fight or hear the post fight interviews but going from what I’ve read I’m guessing his post fight retirement talk was just in the heat of the moment and from being frustrated?? Or maybe retire from mma and persue boxing like he threatened before? maybe someone who watched can shed some light, but then again its diaz so who knows what he’s thinking.
[quote]js252 wrote:
so I didnt see the fight or hear the post fight interviews but going from what I’ve read I’m guessing his post fight retirement talk was just in the heat of the moment and from being frustrated?? Or maybe retire from mma and persue boxing like he threatened before? maybe someone who watched can shed some light, but then again its diaz so who knows what he’s thinking.[/quote]
Before he considers going into pro boxing, or at least, taking a bout, he needs to learn more about footwork and ring control. Not ready.
[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:
I have to say…LMAO at the notion of Diaz’s footwork. Move forward. That’s all there was to it. I was pretty pleased with Condit’s win, and disgusted, yet again, by Diaz’s whining.[/quote]
Yeah…people forget that “small” aspect of boxing. Diaz’ biggest understanding from boxing is range and hand-fighting in space…not footwork…obviously. [/quote]
I disagree. Usually he cuts off all his opponents well. Although he didn’t win, COndit applied exactly what I was talking about. The whole fight he circled off to Nicks right, completely neutralized his power and Nick was not able to cut him off because Condit was one step ahead. To add to that, he would kick from the outside off balancing Nick the whole fight then setting him up for a few more of condit’s inside kicks/punches.
Not a spectacular fight but condit did what you do against someone who constantly cuts you off.
I agree, he didn’t look like he was ‘fighting’ but, you can win a fight on counters as well.
Condit did what just what he needed to do to win, and I’m glad finally someone was able to figure Nicks game out and do just this. Didn’t make for an exciting fight, agreed, but I don’t really enjoy watching Diaz brother’s brawl either and I love to see them lose, probably makes me a dick but I liked the way this fight plaid out. Would’ve made for a more exciting titlematch though had Diaz won, now its going to be all wrestling ala GSP. He might be able to out box him on his feet but since he has more advantage on the ground I don’t know why would he bother.
Werdum - Nelson fight was pretty… interesting to say the least. I was laughing in disbelief looking at the fight, the one or two good shots in the 2nd round put aside Nelson did nothing but worked as a fine heavy bag for Werdum. I mean hell, Werdum looked like he never had more fun in his life, pulling guard on Nelson I think he actually fucking laughed and he smiled through most of the fight. Real golden moment was when Nelson caught his kick and tried to follow it up with a punch and Werdum just smiled and booted him in the face. Beware heavies, we’ve just entered the era of the K-1 WERDUM >:D . In all seriousness, this was not at all how I was expecting this fight to go down. I was expecting Nelson to be pretty competitive on the feet and Werdum struggling for a takedown for most of the 3 rounds… Nelson has some heart but he needs to do something, he can’t just keep on putting in performances like these where all he has is his chin.
Kos - Pierce was a solid fight, any toughts on the decision? I’m not going to claim anything without rewatching the fight, but I wouldn’t have been surprise had Pierce won this. Barao - Jorgensen was good for 1 round, after that it looked kinda sloppy :S .
I thought Pierce won. He landed a lot more jabs, and they were about even on everything else. On the flipside Kos walked him down, and that sways judges.
Nice to see Kos still has that sick power double. No one does it quite like him.
someone finally does the obvious against Diaz and people are surprised? Condit and Jackson had the perfect game plan and they managed to stick with it and not get drawn into a “come get some homie” brawl with Diaz. Condit was smart and managed to effectively nullify his opponent’s strengths. It was not the exciting brawl people wanted to see, but at least some of use can appreciate the planning and solid execution of a superior strategy showcased by Condit.
I’m glad Diaz lost, hopefully he will use the experience to gain some humility and as a motivator to come back even better.
In saying that, i don’t think a fight between GSP and Condit is good for the team or fans. I was looking forward to GSP smashing Nick for 5 rounds to remove all doubt, but this new match-up will undoubtedly have some negative side effects with both their training.
[quote]baretta wrote:
I’m glad Diaz lost, hopefully he will use the experience to gain some humility and as a motivator to come back even better.
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Fight was very disappointing. I’m not seeing what you mean by good footwork in regards to Diaz, humble. It’s a pretty basic thing in southpaw vs orthodox to get your front leg on the outside of your opponents front leg for the angle. Diaz let Condit have the outside and Condit used it to throw kicks and punches and get out of the way. But Condit ran. If he just circled out of range I would have been fine with the fight, but Condit would throw one or 2 punches then run to the other side of the ring. You don’t need to do that and it makes you look like you don’t want to fight. The only reason it didn’t look as bad was because Diaz kept coming forward. If he hadn’t done that it would look like Condit didn’t want to fight and there would have probably been booing.
Those kicks definitely hurt Diaz. His leg was noticeably shaky after putting weight on it after a leg kick in the 4th or 5th. The funny thing is that Condit was able to hurt DIaz’s leg with those kicks to the outside of the leg. In southpaw vs orthodox it’s hard to get the angle to even throw it because of the way your front legs are across from each other. Unless someone is giving you that angle you won’t get off that many kicks which is what Diaz did. Also, you have to kick with your front leg. There is less power compared to your back leg and you usually have to step with your back leg before throwing it making it easier to see coming. It just amazes me that Diaz allowed that to happen.
