[quote]Bondslave wrote:
I don’t care what you say, and I don’t care if Shogun BARELY squeeked out 3 or 4 rounds. He did not beat the champ. You must be decisive in one way or another to take a championship belt. There was nothing of the sort. Extra combo here, one or two more leg kicks there…[/quote]
Please. Machida was CLEARLY outclassed. We are all aware that you have to clearly beat the champ in the judges eyes,but you have to be blind to not see what was obvious. And don’t try to downplay the amount of leg kicks Shogun landed and the damage that resulted from them…along with the body kicks and knees.
it wasn’t a bad decision, it was a pretty even fight.
1 - shogun proved he could do what? leg kick. ohh boy thats a real champion right there.
2 - Lyoto landed actual punches and defended take-downs, shogun didn’t land much except the leg kicks.
I felt like the judges failed at first but after some thoughts on the matter i didn’t really see shogun proving himself as a true ufc champion in the judges eyes.
A cut doesnt mean anything. You can’t be this stupid.
You guys are crazy. Outclassed? Fuck off, seriously. I think you guys are smitten with shogun and need to re-assess how a chamionship MMA bout should be won or lost.
[quote]coolp3ople wrote:
it wasn’t a bad decision, it was a pretty even fight.
1 - shogun proved he could do what? leg kick. ohh boy thats a real champion right there.
2 - Lyoto landed actual punches and defended take-downs, shogun didn’t land much except the leg kicks.
I felt like the judges failed at first but after some thoughts on the matter i didn’t really see shogun proving himself as a true ufc champion in the judges eyes.[/quote]
And what clean shots did Machida land??
Since you think Shogun fell so short…tell us what Machida proved that was in his favor during this fight. ??
[quote]Bondslave wrote:
A cut doesnt mean anything. You can’t be this stupid.
You guys are crazy. Outclassed? Fuck off, seriously. I think you guys are smitten with shogun and need to re-assess how a chamionship MMA bout should be won or lost.[/quote]
We’re smitten? Yet you can’t tell us how Machida CLEARLY beat Shogun. Machida did not fight the fight of a champion…REGARDLESS of the “you must clearly beat the champion” judging.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
coolp3ople wrote:
it wasn’t a bad decision, it was a pretty even fight.
1 - shogun proved he could do what? leg kick. ohh boy thats a real champion right there.
2 - Lyoto landed actual punches and defended take-downs, shogun didn’t land much except the leg kicks.
I felt like the judges failed at first but after some thoughts on the matter i didn’t really see shogun proving himself as a true ufc champion in the judges eyes.
And what clean shots did Machida land??
Since you think Shogun fell so short…tell us what Machida proved that was in his favor during this fight. ??[/quote]
did u read the part where i wrote it was an even fight because it really was?
shogun had to prove himself in the judges eyes to be a better champion though and i don’t think he did that.
Machida put in the effort to be an exciting fighter, even if a fighter loses a fight …if he was more exciting and at least tried to do his job as an entertainer he will get called back its how the ufc works its slowly turning into that episode of south park lol,i mean anderson silva for example was being called washed up after 1 boring performance. even if machida didn’t do anything special, he wasnt generally just kicking shoguns leg he was going for every opportunity that presented itself.
Haven’t read anything else but that was pretty bad. I understand the “You have to kill the champ to be the champ” arguement, but Shogun clearly won that fight, and from where I was it wasn’t even close. He dictated the pace, stalked and connescted and clearly did way more damage. Was at my buddies bar with some friends and the whole place [including the crowd obviously] booed the call. Also, Rothwell can take an absurd amount of punishment.
[quote]coolp3ople wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
coolp3ople wrote:
it wasn’t a bad decision, it was a pretty even fight.
1 - shogun proved he could do what? leg kick. ohh boy thats a real champion right there.
2 - Lyoto landed actual punches and defended take-downs, shogun didn’t land much except the leg kicks.
I felt like the judges failed at first but after some thoughts on the matter i didn’t really see shogun proving himself as a true ufc champion in the judges eyes.
And what clean shots did Machida land??
Since you think Shogun fell so short…tell us what Machida proved that was in his favor during this fight. ??
did u read the part where i wrote it was an even fight because it really was?
shogun had to prove himself in the judges eyes to be a better champion though and i don’t think he did that.
Machida put in the effort to be an exciting fighter, even if a fighter loses a fight …if he was more exciting and at least tried to do his job as an entertainer he will get called back its how the ufc works its slowly turning into that episode of south park lol,i mean anderson silva for example was being called washed up after 1 boring performance. even if machida didn’t do anything special, he wasnt generally just kicking shoguns leg he was going for every opportunity that presented itself.
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The most exciting thing Machida did all night was let that welt on his ribs grow with each round.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Bondslave wrote:
I never said Machida “beat” shogun. Quit making things up to make your point. It doesn’t suit you.
Oh? So you don’t feel that Machida beat Shogun on top of saying that Shogun didn’t beat Machida? [/quote]
No, clearly no one won that fight. /sarcasm
Seriously, one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen. I wanted Machida to win that fight, but he didn’t.
And how about that bullshit stoppage of the Rothwell fight, what is up with stopping it when one guy is getting back up to his feet? Yeah, he was losing decisively, but at least give the guy the chance to actually lose legitimately.
[quote]coolp3ople wrote:
it wasn’t a bad decision, it was a pretty even fight.
1 - shogun proved he could do what? leg kick. ohh boy thats a real champion right there.
2 - Lyoto landed actual punches and defended take-downs, shogun didn’t land much except the leg kicks.
I felt like the judges failed at first but after some thoughts on the matter i didn’t really see shogun proving himself as a true ufc champion in the judges eyes.[/quote]
You must not have watched the fight sober.
Shogun’s leg kicks broke down the ‘champ’. Lyoto did next to no damage on him other than a flurry and a few good shots. The story of that fight was Shogun cutting down Machida’s legs and landing much better shots.
In a way, the Machida code has been broken lol.
[quote]Bondslave wrote:
Correct. I guess you don’t get it. A bit too much to drink maybe?[/quote]
Yep. Clearly everyone that watches the UFC are drunkards. I guess attempts at cheap insults are better than actually backing up and explaining your points. Definitely signs of someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about. Oh well…I tried…until the next time you try to insult me.
[quote]Bondslave wrote:
Correct. I guess you don’t get it. A bit too much to drink maybe?[/quote]
Think about what you are saying.
If a fighter needs to ‘beat’ the champ to become the champ, where do we draw the line if not at a finish? How badly do you need to see Machida outclassed?
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Bondslave wrote:
I never said Machida “beat” shogun. Quit making things up to make your point. It doesn’t suit you.
Oh? So you don’t feel that Machida beat Shogun on top of saying that Shogun didn’t beat Machida?
No, clearly no one won that fight. /sarcasm
Seriously, one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen. I wanted Machida to win that fight, but he didn’t.
And how about that bullshit stoppage of the Rothwell fight, what is up with stopping it when one guy is getting back up to his feet? Yeah, he was losing decisively, but at least give the guy the chance to actually lose legitimately.[/quote]
I actually wanted to see Cain destroy Rothwell with a convincing finish…he was robbed of that,but was clearly dominating. That stoppage made more sense than seeing Rua lose unanimous decision to himself…because Machida sure as hell didn’t beat him.
Shogun/Machida decision obviously sucked but as I am sure Shogun will hear for the rest of his life, you can’t leave it in the hands of the judges."
Ben Rothwell can take a shitload of punishment. The fight should have been stopped in the 1st round when he was eating shots without defending himself. Velasquez looked like a beast and should get the next title shot.
I personally was most impressed with Joe Stevenson. He made Spencer Fisher look like an amateur and he showed his training with Greg Jackson is paying off.