Of course you have to let your body recover as a natural, but there are natural pro’s that do 10x + workouts a week for months on end.
I expressly noted that when you do two a days, you are NOT I repeat NOT actually tearing the muscle. You are using 25-35% of weight usually the lighter end of that scale and very high reps. There is no muscle damage that needs repairing occurring in these secondary workouts. You are in fact pumping the muscle up with increased blood flow, increasing protein synthesis and actually making the body recover faster!!
By adding say a two a day workout to chest, you will recover faster than if you just did the heavy session in the morning. This is true as long as you do the secondary session how I have outlined…
This is proven science and proven in the field. It’s similar to how if you do a heavy chest workout on Monday, you will recover faster if you do pushups on Tuesday, Wednesday, etc. Albiet a minor difference, the increased neuron efficiency leads to better recovery, ASSUMING you do an exercise light enough that it is not tearing muscle fibers.
So while you do need to recover, adding two a day secondary workouts HELPS with recovery AS LONG as you do them correctly. This is the entire point of doing them! Doing a hard workout twice a day would be completely redundant.
I can’t get a good roll side to side (I’m too narrow). I’ve made a couple of tools out of stainless steel rod and an espresso tamper (works surprisingly well) that the wife uses on me. Ample application of myoflex too.
It has nothing to do with bodybuilding. It has to do with you being very weak in the bench press. There are quite a few bodybuilders on this site. I’d be willing to bet money that all of them could bench their bodyweight for a MINIMUM of 5 reps, and probably a lot more.
I’ve never seen someone successful do a pushup with a board in the “middle” (don’t know if this means parallel or perpendicular to the sternum) so i doubt its benefits. Weighted pushups, yes. Unstable loads, yes. Also it seems odd that you would dispense strength advice if you are so vehemently opposed to getting stronger with your training.
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Hitting a max snatch is not like hitting a max deadlift or bench or anything with an eccentic load. Part of the reason oly lifters train so frequently is technique is so important.
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You’re still missing the point. It’s not about strength training, it’s about bringing up your stabilizers which is something I had to do from an injury. And for the record my weight is 201 now so I can do I’m sure 7 reps of my bodyweight if I pushed it. Those numbers were approximate anyways.
I never built a strength base before bodybuilding, and I am glad I didn’t take the time to do so. I’m still growing at a rate faster than most people are and my strength is slowly creeping up even as I am cutting.
I Don’t know why you are insulting me because my lift’s aren’t great, I don’t care about my lifts at all, don’t try and improve them at all, and I never claimed they were even decent. I know they are absolute shit. All I care about is bodybuilding/ aesthetics, if I get to a point that I stall out then maybe id focus on it. Before I had some personal issues at my life I Was 229 at 11.5%bf and I could still barely bench 240-260 for 5 reps (Somewhere in there not sure exactly), so my strength obviously isn’t holding me back at all.
I simply gave somebody advice on how to bring up stabilizers. And it is an unstable load, that’s exactly the principle I explained. Picture a “board” for lack of a better word (there is a device made for this purpose not sure the name) that has a block under it in the middle, such as a teeter totter or see saw. You put your hands on each end and do pushups, and it can tilt from side to side. This is like an age old thing for brining up chest stabilizers, not something I invented.
Again I’m not sure why you are criticizing my strength when I am helping someone bring up stabilizer muscles?
This is fine as long as you don’t start identifying and defining yourself by this statement. If you are feeling good with your high frequency/high volume approach than your body must be good at coping with that.
However if you have a few niggles, are feeling weak and run-down but think “oh well, I cant take another recovery day as I had one last week due to these reasons, I’m the guy who only needs one break a month.” than that is when you will run into trouble.
From your picture I find it to be odd that you are arguing with anyone about any bodybuilding concepts at all to be honest.
Based on your post you have obviously mis read the technique I described, because “a pushup with a board in the middle” Is not what I said.
There is a device made for this exercise, its an oldschool technique power lifters use for bringing up stabilizers, maybe you should have done a little research into it and figured out what I meant before you start insulting my strength.
I don’t know why you would “bet me money that most bodybuilders could bench there bodyweight for a min of 5 reps” what an ignorant thing to say. I’m sure most can, i’m not sure what you’re trying to get at here. Because my bench is weak I cant give advice on bringing up stabilizers?
I’m not vehemently opposed to getting stronger with my training either, obviously if I never got stronger I Would eventually cease to grow. I just don’t focus on it at all and don’t need to, I focus on growth and size and do much better that way.
Luckily I haven’t. My comment was only on advice for strength movements. And I have never seen a 205 lb, 11% bodyfat person perform so poorly on compound lifts. That is a large, muscular individual.
Doing a pushup on something like this:
Is like training on a bosu ball; somewhat of a gimmicky exercise. There are lots of other options for worrying about stabilizers.
Also, I haven’t meant to be insulting. I pointed out that the bench press didn’t seem to be your area of expertise(my opinion based on the stats you’ve posted) so dispensing advice might not be helpful.
Moreso, I’m pursuing this because you haven’t posted pictures. For someone who trains for hours a day, every day, I’d expect more in strength regards even if it’s the furthest from your goal. I am assuming that you’re either:
- Incorrect about your body fat
Or
- Making up stats in general
I could definitely be wrong on both counts, and have no real issue with that. Some photos could clear that right up.
I referenced other bodybuilders (especially those who compete) on this site because they all seem to follow tried and true principles on building a muscular physique. You seem to follow a very different path in your training progression yet claim similar results. It’s mostly curiosity on my end, to be honest.
I’m fully aware of the Bulgarian system -A) they ramp to a training max for that day which is no where near their true PR, they use avoid going to failure, let alone post failure thechniques like drop sets.
B)This is for Pro athletes who were on a state supported program as well as being selected for their genetics from a young age and were on pharmaceutical grade gear
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Yeah i’m not natural, I keep my dosages very low now though. Trust me if I was making up stats I Would not be claiming to bench my bodyweight for 5 reps, I know that is shit strength.
I made a whole thread dedicated to figuring out why I have such poor strength at such a decently respectable (in my opinion) size.
and I am 201.5lb 12% currently. your mixing up my old stats and new stats, that’s okay though.
I’m not underestimating bf, if anything i’m a lil below 12. I was 12.7 last test which was like within a week from today (got to use hydrostatic tank this time) and I’m visibly leaner now.
Just because my lifts are shit doesn’t mean I’m making up my stats, I post on forums to further my education about BB an because I love discussing BB in general.
And for the 50th time, I know that’s not a great way to get bench strength up. I already stated numerous times that I Worded that poorly, and what I meant to get across is its great for bringing up stabilizers, worked really well for me after
my injury. It’s never something id do to get strength up but since he was specifically wanting to work the little stabilizers I suggested it.
I think I do follow pretty tried and true techniques though, I Do things similar to many people on this site. I just do a little higher volume than most ,which is expected from someone who uses AAS
That’s all true, I’m just pointing out that the blanket statement “almost guaranteed to bring an injury” is an absurd and asinine statement.
Adding secondary workouts makes for a faster recovery then if you didn’t add it. As in you will recover from your chest workout FASTER by adding the second workout IF You are doing it correctly. This is the whole point of the two a days routine.
Can you elaborate on the “very different path” that I follow compared to others on this site? I really think you are just pulling that comment out of nowhere as an insult, but I am interested in what your reasoning is behind this if it is a serious comment.
Saw your log -you’re 22yo, unemployed, and recovering heroin addict?
-Respectfully, you’re reeeeealy not in a position to give out advice at this point in time are you buddy.
Read a bunch of Thibs articles for better ways to train especially the part here about stimulus addicts…
No I got hired as a supervisor part time actually. And yes I was a heroin addict for 9 months I’m about 11 months clean.
What does that have to do with bodybuilding advice?
I think you’re comments were pretty ignorant, and your resorting to insulting me on a personal level because you’re embarrassed about the way the conversation went.
For the LAST TIME, adding a secondary chest workout to your chest day will make you recover faster, not stress your chest more. I Don’t know what part of this you aren’t understanding. If that statement isn’t true, then you aren’t doing the technique right.
I mean your perfectly welcome to your own opinions, but to come in here and say a technique that many bodybuilding pro’s use is “guaranteed to cause injury” is absolutely ignorant.
If the technique is too much volume for you, then simply don’t use it.
Get a regular /full time job, work 60+ hours a week, then come back in a couple of months and tell me how your joints are feeling
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Anyways, if you’re just going to insult me on a personal level, lets just end this here.
If you want to talk about bodybuilding theory I’m happy to but try and keep the hostility to a minimum.
Yeah I totally agree. If I were feeling at all weak or run down I’d definitely be taking rest days, i’m sure ill get to that point as I get older. For now i’m taking advantage of the recovery all that I can though!
