No, it does not.
– Deadly force is justified only by an imminent threat.
– He did not brandish the weapon or pose an immediate threat. The hypothetical is dumb.
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That is just wrong. Legally wrong.
And it was not even ICE that killed him.
How so?
By “protection” I didn’t mean legal protection per se, but the actual physical protection that good conduct inherently provides in a practical sense.
As far as the agents who shot him, their conduct certainly has room for interpretation as legally reasonable. As I’ve said above, I don’t have enough information to make a call on whether the shooting was obviously justified or not. It is because of these kinds of grey areas that the higher standard of conduct is expected of armed citizens. If you don’t decide to get into a scrap, a scrap won’t happen and it won’t escalate to lethal force levels.
I find it hilarious when lefties suddenly become experts in lethal force situations when their narrative requires it.
Here’s an actual expert explaining the reasonable person standard in Pretti’s case.
That photo of Pretti looks likt the “descent into madness” version LOLLL!!!
In other news, Colbert hasn’t made a good joke since it became his job to regurgitate unsupported media narratives and call Republicans Nazis.
I meant the rule made sense, I can’t say that if it can be applies to Pretti’s case.
He left out the important word explained by the lawyer in the clip I posted above.
Lethal force is justified in defense of self when there is a “reasonable” fear of an imminent threat of death or great bodily harm. This forces the courts to view the situation through an officer’s (or citizen’s) perspective as the events were unfolding, not in an armchair quarterback freeze-frame analysis that assumes robotic, flawless reactions to violent chaos.
It isn’t a clear-cut case, but these sort of cases have been working their way through courts for a long time. Lethal force law is a comparatively mature body of law that has changed very little in generations. Even the controversial “Stand your ground” laws only removed what is called a “duty to retreat”, which was only required when it could be done in complete safety to yourself and those under the mantle of your protection.
For a very clear-cut case that @Brant_Drake just posted an update on, you can refer to the police shooting of Sonya Massey. The cop was just sentenced to 20 years, likely to serve 10.
Not to toot my own horn on such a grim subject, but I called that one correctly from the get-go. I’ve got a pretty good track record here on t-nation on the subject of lethal force.
I actually started a whole thread on the subject to give one of our resident TDS afflicted libs a primer on lethal force law in the USA.
Such a lame joke. His whole “bait and switch” stuff isn’t even “bait and switch” since you know it’s coming. It’s become lowest common denominator comedy and it’s boring. He hasn’t done anything funny since the Dana Carvey Show.
Noir sums it up very well. It’s negligent almost any way you slice it. The breakdown of the shooting starts around the 6 minute mark.
Colbert was legitimately funny when he was a Jon Stewart sidekick 25 years ago on The Daily Show, playing a caricature of a sociopathic ultra-conservative. It was pretty easy to joke on the neocons, after all.
Colbert, Kimmel, et al are “comedy” for low-IQ people who already believe socialist propaganda. Like a reverse Yakov Smirnoff.
In local news, the USA’s first Somalian mayor (first appointed, not elected) is no longer seeking re-election, claiming victims status for her decision. Deca Dhalaq was the #2 at Gateway Community Services, the most prominent case of medical billing fraud currently well-documented in Maine. The owner has fled the country and is selling his $1 million dollar home in Falmouth after his failed bid at militia-raising to become the ruling warlord of the semi-autonomous region of Jubaland.
I suspect she’s planning on rediscovering the beauty of Somalia, Kenya, or perhaps Dubai sometime very soon.
Just tell me you didnt watch the arrest.
Fucking christ you people are retarded
I did. It’s very hard to see there was any danger left when he was held on the ground.
I have no illusions him being saint in the situation, but did he deserve to die?
Anyway. We’re not the ones who should do the judgment about it. I hope that US officials are capable enough to analyze the situation and the laws concerning it.
Maybe I’ll stop discussing this now. It’s a question that does not really concern me, or even interest me that much.
He gives a good take on the situation and I’ve been a fan of his for a long time. His Glock 19 review was what finally convinced me to go with the 19 as my first firearm.
He didn’t call it negligent any way you slice it, as you concluded. He was very clear that he lacked enough information to make that determination at 11:55. “I’m not going to pretend certainty.” He’s correct that none of it looks good.
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You said:
Not:
Your goalposts are on wheels.
He very clearly was resisting arrest. This, on its own, is not justifiable for the discharge of a firearm. But combining that with a hostile crowd around the ICE agents, and Pretti being armed? Yeah it takes a special kind of retard to go resisting arrest while open carry.
Like i carry a knife on me all the time, primarily for utility. When I get pulled over, I still go out of my way to inform the officer that i have a knife on me… because I don’t want to get fucking shot.
I would not go resisting arrest with a Bowie knife on my belt unless I wanted to get shot. Justified or not, bro got what he asked for.
In news that’s a lot more significant that the latest “look: a squirrel!” narrative of the left, the FBI raided Fulton County, GA election offices today. DNI Tulsi Gabbard was present in all of her glorious beauty, which she wouldn’t be if it was just about local election administration/rigging/cheating.
I hope they do Maine soon. Our elections are a complete joke.
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Now we’re debating how much he resisted and what was the right action. That’s what I meant.
Anyway. I don’t have anything else to say.
It’s very telling that the left is losing their mind over this.
If the feds had a warrant to go look in my shoe closet, and I had no skeletons in there, I would not be worried about them looking in my shoe closet.
If hard evidence is found of a stolen election, their whole narrative crumbles with anyone who isn’t a thoroughly demoralized (brainwashed) cultist or simply a crook in on the fraud. January 6 can no longer be characterized as “the darkest day in US History” or anything silly like that. It becomes a story of government repression of protest while engaging in a coup.
Heck, even some Democrats and leftists were questioning if 2020 was stolen after Harris and Walz the retard got so thoroughly clobbered. I’ll be curious to learn what they learn and if anything substantial comes out of it. The midterms are coming up and people need to be motivated to vote.
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I think you severely overestimate the left.
They simply do not operate in facts or logic.
They casted out God to replace Him with a far less logical ideology.
You’re expecting them to renounce their religion when proof is handed to them that it is fake. Scientology and Mormons still exist; the left will too.
I wish I were as optimistic as you are.
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