Continuing the discussion from Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1) - #10029 by twojarslave.
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We hit the 10,000 post mark in under a year. Let’s see if this thread lasts for all of 2026. It may without zecarlo’s relentless trolling. Continuing on…
That’s part of why the “woke right” label is so applicable to him. Marxists do a great job at criticizing because they concocted critical theory in the first place and imbedded it in their entire line of thought. Nick is fundamentally a leftist because he uses critical theory but simply points it in a different direction than today’s mainstream left. If you’re comparing reality to utopia, you’re thinking like a leftist. If you’re leaning into identity politics, you’re thinking like a leftist. If you bitch, moan, and talk like a nihilist, you’re thinking like a leftist. Nick Fuentes is a leftist because he’s a National Socialist. Just because communists and Nazis fought each other doesn’t make their ideologies fundamentally opposed.
He’s a very smart guy, just as most of the articulate Marxists are, but his ideology is still garbage.
I don’t really get the impression that he’s a marxist from the interview. I’ve only gotten through half of it so far, but I really don’t think anything he’s said thus far is controversial. But when Crowder gives him a chance “what’s your prescription for X?” he doesn’t have an answer or it’s some type of vague populist/nationalist thing. Unless (and this would put him in the marxist camp at least in tactics) the answer is to destroy the system completely and rebuild it as they/he sees fit.
He’s not a classical Marxist at all, just as the National Socialists weren’t.
He’s still a leftist because he talks nonstop about identity politics, just like Nazis did. Substitute white Americans for ethnic Germans and the rest seems to fit pretty neatly into an actual fascist-shaped hole.
He certainly provides plenty of fodder for Marxists/Democratic Socialists who want to paint all of MAGA as aligned with Fuentes. I suspect that is why he gets amplified by so many foreign accounts.
Continuing the discussion from Trump 2025 - Resuming The National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity (Part 1):
More 6D chess? Q?
Yeah, I think this needs to happen. If anyone thinks we are voting our way our of our current climate, I question their intelligence.
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The only problem is once you create that vacuum, don’t be surprised when we end up with something way worse. If we could aim for a “reset “ back to the founding principles that’d be great but how do you guarantee that?
I personally agree with Ted kaczynski quite a bit as to why our society is rotten. I just don’t want 3 billion people to die fixing it.
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I agree, but what is the alternative?
I am with you here too, but with AI and everything else it seems to be getting wayyy worse - not better.
AI is not going to be used for “good” or to help the common people.
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Anything created for good is great until an asshole comes along and uses it for evil
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Considering our government has been interested in machine learning since the 50’s and it is an arms race I am going to say it was never created for good lol.
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With smart devices being so prolific and doubling as data collection points, it (AI) with make a massive digital surveillance state so much more plausible.
Bugs and wiretaps are old news.
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Seems like a way to both capitalize and control.
People seem to relate capitalism to freedom, but I’m not seeing that. Capitalism actually has the power to control. Anyone can still be a slave to capitalism.
A true scenario of freedom is that “we” are in control of this technology, not the state or some global entity.
@twojarslave “Who’s illegal in stolen land?” Right on Brother!!!
You need to re-post that phone call, I think it got lost in the thread transition.
The National Democracy Action Plan, in a nutshell. Done differently, that phone call could easily be a comedy skit, EASILY. Unfortunately for Maine, it’s real life.
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Whenever someone says that I like to stop them and reiterate “no no, Conquered land,” just to watch their head explode.
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Ha, I like that “conquered land”. I wonder how those on the left think that all of the countries’ borders throughout the world were formed? It certainly wasn’t by asking “do you mind if we insert our country in this here area of your land good sir?” No, there was brutal fighting/wars over land[territory] which eventually morphed into many different countries. Back in the day, as you said, land was fought over and either lost or gained. Only in the modern day has the stupid term “stolen land” been invented by a bunch of limp wristed idiots. Whether or not it was “right or wrong” didn’t matter in the past.
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Historical presentism is a tool of the ignorant.
Leftism today is essentially believing that harmony once existed, then a rupture happened (Europeans in North America, for example), and it is now your obligation to repair it somehow. It ignores all evidence that life in North America was downright brutish for most normal people.
Nick Fuentes isn’t a leftist, but an actual fascist and probably closer to an actual National Socialist, although it’s difficult to tell because he doesn’t really talk about much public policy ideas or explain what grounds his political beliefs.
I read this article on my lunch today and I think it really nails what we’re actually watching when a guy like Piers Morgan sits down for an interview with a guy like Nick Fuentes. Fuentes is a performer, not a policy wonk, and he’s tapping into something very real in the younger generations.
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Not just younger generations. His popularity keeps climbing substantially in the younger generations I will agree there. The anger and hatred of a system that has shit on them continuously is not going to end well.
Even if his rhetoric is extremist, he does not substantively articulate a fascist or National Socialist theory of governance. If he doesn’t talk about policy or theories of governance, I don’t understand how you could place fascist or National Socialist on him.
Fuentes’s Hitler admiration is a good clue that he might be a Nazi, just swapping out an ethnic group he fits into instead of ethnic Germans.
His politics “feel” good the same way that any other race-based social justice movements do to the people who believe that’s the right way to think about politics in the USA in 2025 going into 2026.
I have no idea what Nick Fuentes’s solutions might be in terms of actual public policy, but that’s because he’s never explained himself in that kind of way.
I hate to break it to you bro, but Hitler never explained his actual ideas about economic policy, either. He just tapped into the feeling that normal ethnic Germans were being marginalized, which one could argue was true.
Watch the piers morgan interview with Fuentes. That is the stuff people are sick of. That’s the reason Fuentes continues to grow in popularity.
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