Trump: 2020 and Beyond

No earthly clue. I never thought he’d be spouting that nonsense. The only thing I can think of is it’s election calculus.

It is sad though.

But sadly, true…

Like an episode of the “TUDORS”… GOP Politicians are lining up to kiss the ring and gain the Favor of the King…

The problem they are going to run into is 2022 (when individuals start maneuvering themselves for a Presidential run in 2024). If Trump continues to dangle that he may run, everyone else is essentially frozen… (or more accurately paralyzed, waiting for what the King is going to do).

You guys need more political parties. Seriously. Spread the crazy out a little more…

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Wishful thinking, I know…

But I think Haley would not have a problem opposing Trump in the Primary (mainly because her Goal would not be to “Out Trump Trump”).

(OR she could decide early it’s not worth it…).

Just throwing some thoughts out there…

For the record…I would support Haley over Harris…

And ANYONE over Trump…

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This is a big problem for the GoP. It is in all of their combined interest that someone take on Trump, and expose him for what he is, but it is not in any of their own self interest to do so. I heard conservative commentator Jonah Goldberg say this was the dilemma and compared it to the fable of belling the cat. All the mice benefit from the cat having a bell on it’s tail, but none of the mice individually want to bell the cat. I thought that was an accurate description of where the Republican party is ATM.

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Nice.

And accurate…

I don’t think this is true though. Perhaps in hard Trump districts, but for the most part 4 years in politics is an eternity. I think there are plenty of people that may not feel frozen.

It’s one reason I called the leadership spineless.

But I don’t think that this is actually true either - Mitch knows the longer this goes on the worse it is for the party. I think that it is actually very beneficial if one person or a caucus can get the right optics and simultaneously move towards a more moderate position (not policy per se, but on Trump).

I think the same thing that helped Trump originally (diehard supporters) can work against him and for other GOP ppl as more people realize how limited his reach actually is if you’re not in a district with a large quantity of diehards.

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The two Republicans running for Senate are toast in Georgia. Dems will take both seats in Jan using the same voting shenanigans (maybe worse since there are more registered voters this time according to Abrams) that helped them take the Presidential election. Repub turnout will be low as well since 75% of them think it was stolen - many won’t bother voting. But when you get down to it, the Gov and SoS (both Repub!) set it all up to happen. And they did nothing to prevent it from happening in Jan. LOL By the way, I also think Kemp probably stole the Gov election from Abrams in 2018. The voting system down there is really corrupt and major reforms are needed…first by dumping/recalling the Gov and Sos. A big enough combination of Repub and Dems should allow that to happen if pursued. People in Georgia should not be putting up with this…it’s not a partisan issue, it’s a corruption issue. It goes for some other states too, but at least Florida was cleaned up even though it took twenty years.

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Can’t speak to the corruption because I don’t know, but I do agree that the Dems are likely to take both seats.

They’re driving turnout the same way they did for the presidential election - by pointing at the craziness of Trump’s antics. And then they can point their voters to the fact that Georgia turned blue for the first time in 30 years and say “we can make this happen again in Congress if you turn out”.

It’s an easy sell. On the flip side it’s elementary that if you spend ages talking about how rigged things are and you lose the Big One, a lot of your voters are going to give up going to the polls. That is a risk inherent to the “strategery”.

Of course Trump couldn’t tone it down and help the party because he was never really a GOP person anyway and cares only about himself.

Part of me does wonder if the democrats are glad Trump didn’t try to run in their party. He is guaranteed fodder for their voters for years.

I’m not “Going Down the Rabbitt Hole” of this recent wave of Trump pardons.

There are what they are.

What did surprise me (a little) were the number of people who flat-out lied to Federal Prosecutors.

It’s the “Deep State” they lied too…so who really cares?

It should matter but we know it doesn’t.

You lie when you think you can get away with it. Or in this case that you’ll get a pardon if you just put your time in like a good soldier (very mafia like).

Politically motivated pardons aren’t new at all so that doesn’t concern me much. It’s been done before. The part that concerns me is the possibility this could set up a new precedent for both parties when they get caught… Just pardon your way out of it and set up a loyal faction of people who “owe you” post administration for pardoning them.

That’s my version of slippery slope. There are plenty of ways to stay away from sliding down that slope, but once normalized it’s hard. So I hope this doesn’t represent that

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The list of folks trump pardoned (including flynn stone, manafort, and Jared kushners father) is horrifying, yet not surprising.

Is there a logical reason to continue to support trump? What am I supposed to think of the people that still support him?

Well, there’s always diehards. But some people have found it easier to feed their families under Trump.

“Feed their families” is hyperbole for the very large majority of supporters.

Likely true in an absolute sense. However, I think the gist of the statement was fair. A lot of people may feel they’ve had an easier time making ends meet during his administration.

“making ends meet” is hyperbole for the vast majority as well. It really comes down to more money in their pocket. And these folks are either fine with despicable actions from POTUS in exchange for some extra spending money, or they flat out support the actions of POTUS.

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Strictly from an economic mindset - it’s astounding the reverence accorded Teddy Roosevelt and hatred at Trump. Populist acts to benefit masses they would have seemingly had no reason to connect with.

But movements are not always started by the most capable, but they have some type of ‘star power’ that gets the ball rolling. I hold no delusion that the politicians of the world are ideologues, but probably fall one side or the other and then cobble together a few ideas they don’t find repugnant, to attract a voter base. Unfortunately, one of today’s biggest plank is hate/utterly destroy the opposition.

Ahhh just rambling… @Californiagrown you getting in some cycling in the hills? Beautiful riding before the cold comes in.

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If that pudgy walrus bastard were alive today, I would gladly punch him in the face.

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Indeed.

I think it was John Gotti who said something along the lines of wishing he could get away with a fraction of the crap Politicians get away with…

Trump is truly “the” “Godfather…”

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