I’m surprised. You sound like someone who would think of a skinned knee as a mortal wound.
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I don’t even know how to respond this is just such a stupid take. How often are people in a situation where they are forced to evacuate without danger?
So they talk about injuries from this and your first thought is “yeah they say injuries but I bet most weren’t bad!” I’m not saying every injury is major but it wasn’t 150 or whatever the official injury number was of scraped knees. Also people died but hey maybe if you don’t die it shouldn’t even count as an injury. You should make the official rules for all to follow. It’s death or nothing.
I’m not surprised you’re defending domestic terrorists some of them could have been good friends of yours. But it’s weak shit and you know it.
I mean don’t let the troll game stop or anything but you know it’s weak.
No. When they claim 150 injured Officers and I see the same few video clips, I question what they count as an injury.
Seriously? False fire alarms. Fire alarms set off by a small fire that was easily put out(by staff) but still triggered the alarm. I shouldn’t have said “no” danger, of course. We are all in danger every time we wake up. The danger to those inside was just very low.
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Sure not all of injuries at any event are likely to be catastrophic. People escaping the world trade centers likely had many minor injuries counted. It’s still pretty weird to bring up in an event where people died and we know major injuries occurred.
How many people die in those incidents or are majorly injured? An event where people died and the people inside were evacuated for their safety doesn’t seem to have much in common with a kid pulling a fire alarm for fun. You are evacuated because of the fear for danger. In a situation with numerous injuries and a few deaths evacuating these people made perfect sense. It’s foolish to think no one inside was in any danger when injuries happened inside the building.
It’s also foolish to say something like “well most of the fighting was them trying to get in” or something along those lines. Domestic terrorists stormed the capitol and people died and were injured. That’s what you should be taking home from Jan 6th. Not that some injuries were minor. Not that the planned hostages weren’t actually taken because they were evacuated first. Not that the pipe bombs didn’t go off so they don’t count, etc.
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100% on the terrorists’ side. It was just like 9/11, if some of the hijackers died from heart attacks in the airport, others just decided to ride their planes to their destinations and disembark, and one was shot when entering the boarding area.
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Well at least you’re calling them what they are. That’s progress.
Old article: https://www.fireengineering.com/leadership/injuries-deaths-and-cost-mount-in-chicago-s-false-alarm-crisis/#gref
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Interesting. But does nothing to advance your point that the people inside weren’t in danger. They were and that’s why they were evacuated. The domestic terrorists responsible for deaths and injuries (even if you think some were trivial) were undoubtedly a danger to those trying to keep them out of the capitol and those inside.
Just because they failed to do more harm or take hostages or whatever else they intended doesn’t change anything.
Lets not forget that everyone there protesting or rioting in DC on trumps behalf that day was trying to overturn a free and fair election, despite have ZERO proof of it being something otherwise.
To be even more clear they were doing it because a man convinced them of it happening on the sole reason being that he couldn’t allow himself to accept a loss. Trump hedged his bets and told everyone that if he lost it would be because of cheating. If he won everything worked out as planned. If he lost well he already told you why. The lack of evidence never mattered. The voter suppression tactics employed by the GOP in 2020 didn’t work. The pressure on Republicans in Republican led states didn’t work. A taped phone call of him pressuring officials to find votes for him didn’t work. Lawsuits at every single level didn’t work. And the most insane batshit theories were paraded around and didn’t work.
But the majority of his fans were and are still willing to buy whatever comes out of his mouth. And some were willing to throw away their lives for it and did. Some are going to have permanent legal consequences for it. But it all comes down to one guys ego planting the whole seed. When you tell everyone you’re a winner and you never lose and your whole identity is selling that you’ve got to try and convince people you never lost even though the scoreboard clearly shows you did.
Ultimately those lives were ruined by one narcissist’s ego.
You’re welcome to believe as you wish. Indeed, it’s difficult to prove a negative.
I’m very confident in my position that people in and around the capitol were in danger during an event where people died and numerous injuries were sustained in and around the capitol.
You’re welcome to continue being incorrect if that’s your desire.
H factor harbors fantasies of getting his Capitol invaded.
If one drives a car 50 miles an hour are they in danger?
Absolutely! Many bad things can happen.
But one is also protected. By seat belt, air bags, generations of engineering, safe operating practices.
So you can be in danger And protected at the same time.
Most people at any given point are in danger of something, somehow.
But they are also protected in many ways, discrete and more obvious.
So were they in danger in the capitol? Sure, a bit.
Were they protected? Yes, extremely well. The security there is second to none.
How can I say that? Because none of the people the crowd wanted to “get” were got. Mission accomplished for the security team.
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We aren’t talking about the “driver” but everyone else on the road.
We don’t know how much danger they were in. A cop did shoot a woman so he must have felt the danger was serious.
Did they need to be? That’s the real question.
This was a mob of people, a good number of which had some sort of mental illness. We can see clearly a middle aged man, who turned out to be a retired firefighter, casually throw a fire extinguisher at police. Some of these terrorists/insurgents/idiots/cultists/whatever you want to call them, used bear spray on cops. I don’t think it’s farfetched to think that a mob of mentally unstable cult members could be brought to violence against congressmen especially when you consider they were already engaged in violence against the police. It’s not like we don’t have plenty of historical evidence when it comes to mobs getting out of control.
Well the results are in. It turns out that they weren’t in much danger. The trash pandas were more of a danger to themselves than anybody else.
The security force and procedures have been there and in place for much longer than Trump was president.
Its not like they had to temporarily move the capitol to Philadelphia or something.
Funny thing, that guy. By the looks of it on paper he’s about as unioned up and blue bleeding as a motherfucker can be.
But there he is, fucking up one of his fellow first responders/public servant/union Brothers.
That stuff always puzzles me. I guess not everybody fits into the cookie cutter molds we have formed about who or what one is, do they?
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In danger and the presence of danger, or danger used as a noun, are not the same thing. A polar bear is dangerous but if it’s in a cage, I am not in danger. But it is still dangerous. So we can say that Congress was safe but can we say the mob was not dangerous?
Why was that necessary that day? Was there a… danger?
Not when you factor in mental illness and/or stupidity. And that is the danger with a mob: it’s collective IQ goes down the more emotional it gets.
The fact we are even debating how dangerous it was, and some are glossing over injuries (you got hit in the head trying to do your job? Boo hoo. It’s not like you’re dead or something. Next time bring a helmet.), does say something about this country. The idea that we have to have a scale of fucked upness or something is ridiculous. It’s the first step to normalizing this behavior and validating the idiots. We’ve already seen what this has done with the far left progressive woke crowd and its influence on the left in general.
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I’ve actually been told that after getting slammed in the head by a 10,000 lb. deck plate. Then had to answer for my lack of attentiveness (welding hood was down) at a safety review.
You’d be surprised what dicks people are when when your life means nothing and you aren’t worth a shit.
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I see that on both sides. Of course I feel something for the cops who were there. These are working class people who, and we can nitpick about how dangerous the job really is, do a potentially dangerous job and who have to deal with criminals and douchebags on a daily basis. What happened at the Capitol is not something they should have to go through.
But then you have the woman who was killed. I believe she suffered some sort of mental illness or was going through some sort of emotional crisis. I’m not saying the cop should not have shot her but “normal” people don’t do what she did. I’m sure a good number of people there were straight up assholes and scum (Proud Boys, I’m looking at you) but I can’t demonize all of those, all of my, fellow Americans who were there.
I’m not going to choose to whom I feel empathy based on my political beliefs or my socioeconomic and/or educational status. You have the elites on the left who want to look at those people as the bad guys. The elites on the right see them as useful idiots, cannon fodder. They probably view, for all of their back the blue rhetoric, the cops the same way. It’s all a way to avoid looking at the deeper issues in this country. There are a lot of vulnerable people out there.
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Outstanding, @zecarlo .