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Impeachment and conviction, if not invoking the 25th ammendment on the morning of Jan 7th.
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Impeachment and conviction. Followed by a historically accurate 3.5hour long expose blockbuster movie written by Aaron Sorkin.
For saying “fight.”
Can’t help but remember Congress critters telling people to fight, get in people’s faces, etc. The light handed enabling of left wing BLM violence. The use of slavery imagery (put y’all back in chains!). Meeting with and supporting violent criminals who get themselves shot while resisting arrest in order to make it back to a knife containing vehicle, helping to stoke more violent unrest.
They’re all to blame.
From politicians, media personalities, to private citizens. Both sides coddle their violent delusional crazy wannabe revolutionaries.
Vote for neither party.
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So, nothing in that speech. Then, give me the clip/s or quote/s for which you want him held accountable.
I have to assume that’s it, until someone can provide me more. Obviously, he meant that in the physical sense since he’d talked about Rudy fighting…which Rudy seems fully capable of.(/s)
I agree that neither deserves a vote. But, if the enemy of my enemy is my friend…one is sometimes(not talking about Democrat lapdogs in the Republican Party, obviously) better than the other.
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I believe he’s referring to the narrative that the election was outright being stolen in some conspiracy. Not sure about impeachment, honestly. But that kind of stuff is highly inflammatory. If there are issues, make the case and insist on exhausting all legal avenues to have them reviewed. But do it with a tone and language that doesn’t further whip up the perpetually whipped up.
I don’t believe Trump orchestrated or intended a riot. I really believe he such little self and social awareness that he can’t fathom toning it down at a tense moment in history. He’s not a leader.
The Democrats think he’s THE leader. He intentionally convinces people to do his bidding by telling them not to.
Trump was not impeached based solely on that speech.
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Correct. He was also impeached as a virtue signal and in hopes of eliminating the possibility of him running again.
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Minor clarification here: nothing to do with establishing some brand/motto, but rather a (valid, imho) reference to a much more generic tool of persuasion/manipulation:
And I imagine we’ll see further references to it if Roger Stone and his “Stop The Steal” grift is ever held to account (see also: Ghouliani)
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Thanks, @chillain:
I had no idea that what Trump did was actually a recognized Propaganda technique.
The sad thing is how well it worked and continues to work.
Intentions are hard to pin down and of course Trump didn’t riot himself. But the rally was partially paid for with Trump campaign dollars. It was clearly organized and called for by him and his rabid supporters over a baseless claim. It’s a bit like saying Hitler isn’t responsible for gassing a Jew if he wasn’t the one to do it himself. True, but definitely a huge player in why it went down correct?
The capitol riot happened because Trump’s ego couldn’t let him handle losing. He set it up before the election because he needed something to blame other than himself (which is why he lost). If Trump conceded and was committed to a peaceful transfer of power this wouldn’t have happened.
I don’t think he thought people would go into the capitol in a riot but from the conversations surrounding when he found out it’s pretty clear he wasn’t exactly horrified about it happening. Go home we love you to domestic terrorists would be an odd choice of words if they weren’t acting as domestic terrorists on his behalf. Trump’s tweeting attacking the Vice President while people are entering the capitol and the Vice President is being evacuated for his safety.
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Oh no, I see it exactly the same.
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That’s the tough question isn’t it? You could try to reach him in criminal court, but that runs into criminal standards of evidence as well as strict definitions regarding incitement. I don’t think that will actually work well enough to find a guilty verdict. I suppose civil court is an option, due to less rigid standards perhaps, but who would you get to bring suit?
The only way to get a historical congressional record would be to either impeach or censure him in Congress. I don’t think there’s any way to make that happen except in Congress itself. Obviously impeachment happened but guilty verdict was not returned. I do feel dereliction of duty would have been an effective charge for impeachment, but unfortunately there was no impartial jury so the result would have been the same most likely.
I do feel the 25th amendment was a viable alternative option, but nobody had the spine for it.
I don’t think SkyzykS is a Trump apologist. He’s a pretty straight shooter, and hasn’t been shy about criticisms in the past.
100%. I don’t believe he orchestrated or intended to riot, but unfortunately for me I believe leaders should be held accountable. In criminal court one can be found guilty of several types of wrongful death without being found guilty of actual murder. The standard varies based on the actual charge, but essentially they are mostly centered around reckless disregard and complete negligence. These are things Trump is 100% guilty of. I personally believe he’s guilty of more, but I would not say he orchestrated it in any way.
Since I’m not a legal scholar I can’t make a very good case based on experience, or articulate it, but hopefully the general idea comes across. You can’t recklessly endanger people. Trump may have absolutely zero self-awareness, but that’s his fault in the end. Regardless of intention people with zero self-awareness are still held accountable in other areas.
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The Congressman whose married, adult child couldn’t bring herself to return to the Capitol.
Well going to a place for anyone where domestic terrorists entered is going to be much more stressful than I dunno say wearing a mask for two minutes but you seem to be shocked people might have issues with the former but belittle the latter.
That’s a well-constructed sentence…you may want to ease up on the drink when you’re planning on posting.
I do have a problem with mask mandates(and shut downs!) and folks that believe everyone just needs to comply a bit harder to be rid of illness. That attitude was somewhat excusable for the first month or two because most people don’t think about politics. Now, it’s just an indication of gullibility-you will never be able to comply hard enough.
If an adult is scared to return to the Capitol after the selfie-session, she likely has mental problems.
- No one inside was in danger: they were being protected by armed men permitted to protect property with lethal force(apparently).
- There was obviously a near-absolute zero chance of something similar happening soon after.
Of course, I’m not saying the guy’s daughter has mental problems…just that he is making things up.
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Lmao. You haven’t seen videos of the dude being crushed in the door? Domestic terrorists break into the capitol and no one was in danger? The pipe bombs found the night before were probably just we love Joe Biden sparklers? Protestors chanting about hanging Mike Pence while the President attacks him on Twitter during the whole thing. 4 people died. Did you actually watch or follow anything? Over 50 cops injured if I remember right?
Even in your long line of ludicrous takes this is hilariously bad.
This makes a ton of sense, his overall naivete (as the heir to a fortune, and all that)
Imagine thinking that one’s most fervent (and subsequently lathered up) supporters would all just continue to peacefully protest… in the general vicinity… and then, eventually, probably, just all disperse back to your hotel rooms (and with love)
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Under different circumstances, like maybe a unified Congress, is it fair to ask whether state legislatures would’ve just assigned their electors, as commentators like Mark Levin were calling for?
Wouldn’t they be trying him in DC? He is about as liked there as Hitler in Israel.
IMO, Trump will likely have other legal troubles in the near future. I think in places like NY, he is going to have issues with juries being against him. Many of the places that are likely to bring criminal charges are in places where he polls at abysmal approval numbers.
Maybe he won’t be prosecuted? I think him staying in politics would be a gift to the Dems, so I am not sure why they are so eager to get rid of him? Doesn’t make sense to me, but I am no political expert.
They shouldn’t be. He’s been a godsend for them. Comes in with senate, house, and presidency and managed to lose them all in 4 years is almost unprecedented. The longer he’s doing his thing the more likely the GOP has fractures that keep them from being a unified force. He might breeze to the primary win but you’re going to stake your chances on a two time popular vote loser with some of the most consistent lowest approval ratings since polling began? Dems would be turning backflips.
Of course we should hold leaders accountable regardless of if it’s good or bad politics.
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