TRT + Tren Ace Newbie

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I have been on TRT for years now. I am 43 years old. 5-09, 220lbs. I am looking to include Tren Ace (Pharmacom). I have never run Tren before. I am currently prescribed:

800mgs Test Cyp per week. I inject twice a week, each 400mgs.

1mg Anastrozole once a week.

Am I missing any other meds to run this Tren? I will continue my TRT after the Tren cycle. I was looking to run maybe 100mgs Tren per week (trying to be safe, maybe overly safe?). Are Tren Ace injections required every other day? Am I better off just doing 300mgs a week, injecting 100mgs Mon, Weds and Fri?

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No way you’re prescribed that nor is that TRT. TRT is 100-200mg per week and even 200mg is far more than needed for most.

Your first plan is sound and yes you’d be pinning ED optimally. I wouldn’t use 300mg first time as that’s honestly a lot for that drug without knowing your response to the sides.

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As @blshaw mentioned this does not seem right.

IMO, unless you are competing there is really no reason to run tren. Tren is very hard on the cardiovascular system. You also make no mention of the goal of this cycle and more info about yourself and your diet/training, past AAS use would be good so we can better help you.

No that i’ve said that if you really want to run it I would def run TrenA so if you get sides you can stop and it will clear your system faster. Take 175mg/wk which is either 25mg/day or 50mg EOD. For me more frequent injections help keep sides down as there is not much fluctuation.

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I use a typical 3ml syringe. I pull to the fourth hash mark, just prior to one half a Cc. I do that twice a week. The bottle reads Test Cyp 200mg/ML.

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Ok that’s 80mg 2x a week. So you’re taking 160mg brother. Thats a fine dose for TRT.

What other steroids have you tried? I’m not against low dose Tren but I do think that’s something you reserve for experience and wouldn’t be my first choice to someone that’s never run gear.

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Ah, ok. I see what you’re saying. I don’t think I was considering the 200mg/ml factor. I was adding it wrong. That’s my fault. I’ve taken a handful of “cycles” when I was in my early twenties and truly had no research done. Deca, EQ. But back then, I couldn’t even remember to tell you what the dosage were, if I even knew back then.

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I am not competing and have no desire to at my age. I have probably 20lbs I could lose. I think 200lbs is probably my floor for overall weight. I’m looking to make muscle gains, of course, but retained muscle post-cycle. And of course looking for fat loss assistance. I have some Clen and Winstrol tablets, as well.

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My stance is still against tren for your situation. Adding clen, which is another cardiovascular killer is a huge mistake. You don’t need any of this. You are not gonna build and cut fat effectively at the same time. When you are building your metabolism will increase due to more muscle mass but if you have a high BF level this will not work. You would need to diet.
What is your primary focus right now?
Whether dieting or building I can get you going in a better direction that you are proposing if you value your long term health and would like assistance doing this safely.

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I wasn’t planning to include the Clen or Winstrol with the Tren. They were just alternatives. I’m also prescribed Anavar, but I haven’t started using it yet.

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What does this look like? How much BF?
You askesd a question now I am invested and would like to help you reach your goals if you want it. Let’s plan the right cycle for where you are at now and current goals. Can you post a physique pic?

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Good question.

I was looking for that as well.

200 pounds at 5’9” with single digit bodyfat( based on the floor weight comment), is fairly massive.

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Give that a go first. Test plus Var is a perfect for your goals. Will allow you to tighten up without losing muscle. Anavar also directly stimulates lipolysis whereas Test does not.

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Ok. I may just run the Anavar with my TRT. Is including either the Winstrol or Clen an option? (Both I have in tablet form).

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Choose Anavar or Winstrol not both. I’m not a fan of clen as its not effective enough with the health risk considerations.

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I read the whole thread, you are now thinking about using anavar alongside trt, but the thing is, you can’t kill an idea. You are 43, you wanna run tren and soon you will realize you will do it sooner rather then later. You asked about “meds”. So here is something general for along the road. And also something from my experience.

This is the most powerful amazing shit you will ever do. It can completely wreck you, phisicaly and mentaly. You can’t stop what tren will do to your organs and blood markers, but you can significantly increase the chance of preventing a complete wreckage. Don’t spare money, buy good quality supplements. DON’T buy the first thing you see on amazon. You can ask AI to find you the tested stuff where you live. Primary goal, “protecting” you heart. You need citrus bergamot, ubiquinol, nattokinase, omega 3(4 gr epa/dha per day) get the doctor prescribed ones, not amazon sh*t. You need NAC. You may want tudca for the piece of mind. Taurin is a strong antioxidant and can prevent some sperm mutation. Astragalus for the kidneys. Drink water like crazy. Check your BP, if it’s high, one and one drug only: Telmisartane.

Trensomnia: I don’t know how this is not in every tren thread nowadays, miracle drug: trazodone. It’s an antidpressant but you don’t take a “depression dosage”, instead you only take 25 or 50 mg. It causes no addiction, no tolerance build up, it doesn’t fuck up your rem sleep like benzos. Take care of your sleep, people “box” through it, “it is how it is” and it doesn’t have to be. Sleep is maybe the single most important thing, why would someone accept the lack of it they can do something about it, I just don’t get it.

Have cabergoline but don’t take it unless you have to. Do your blood work, it is not negotiable! Do you cardio!! Do LISS 20-30 min at least 5 times per week. No high intensity stuff. You are not doing it for fat loss, you are doing it for your heart.

I shouldn’t even have to mention it, ace is you choice, you get in trouble you can bail out in several days. Tren e would be weeks. I wont recommend a dosage but I would say under no circumstances should you do 300mg/week your first run!!! If you are not on stage, you will probably never need 300mg.

What I usualy do is “uncoventional” but I have almost zero sides and I wouldn’t recommend you start that way. I have and had 199/200mg pure stuff and I do/did tren e subq, daily. 0.14-0.15 ml. Which would be 1ml or 200mg per week. It is sesame oil and It leaves no lumps like my trt test subq. No damn tren cough!! When finished i simply go back to my trt.

It is non negotiable but you understand this since you are on trt, testosterone must be run alongside tren.

You noticed I don’t mention the mental sides. I could be wrong, but in my opinion, at reasonable dosages, most of them can be avoided IF you take care or your sleep patterns.

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First of all, I really appreciate such a thorough response! Thank you!

You’re correct. I really do want to try it. I do not want to do extreme doses, and I’m never going to be on stage. No desire.

I appreciate the recommended meds to take with it. For Trazadone, I was previously prescribed this, due to sleep issues from the military, but I found it didn’t do anything. I don’t recall the dosage, as it was a while back. I was prescribed the Trazadone and a mood stabilizer. It didn’t so anything and I never sought to renew the prescription.

I was planning to combine a liver regiment, including Dandelion Extract, Turmeric, Milk Thistle and Ginger Root. I will definitely look into what you recommended. I am already prescribed Linsinopril 10mg for occasional high BP, so I can utilize that. I am also prescribed Gonadorelin and Glutathione I can use for liver help.

I typically use standard 3cc size syringes. How do you load your syringe to exact low amounts like that? Do you use a smaller syringe, like an insulin syringe to be precise? With my TRT, I just pull down to the fourth hash mark. But with these low dosages for the Tren, it seems like the syringes I’m using would be difficult to load precisely.

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I think you are overestimating the impact tren will have on the liver, but anyways, it’s good thinking, you wanna protect your self. Instead of what you listed, i’d just do 3 x 800 NAC and 1 x 500 tudca and you’re set.

Yes, ACE inhibitors are ok and in most countries the primary choice sublinqual in the BP crisis if something else i.v. is not immediately possible. If you ran into BP problems with tren, you want daily Telmisartane. It has kidney protection properties like no other high BP drug. I urge you to google the details.

Heart/cardiovascular system and kidneys are your first “organ concern” here, liver comes after that, if at all.

Here in Germany they prescribe 150-300mg of Trazodone for depression. In Switzerland 300-600. Receptors occupation is dosage dependent. It’s paradoxical. You take less, it makes you sleepy, you take more it works for something else. 25 mg makes me sleep like a baby. 50 knocks me out, I my self don’t need more than 25 mg. You can but shouldn’t go above 100mg for sleeping aid. If it doesn’t work, you should try something else.

I always use an insulin syringe. Drawing the exact ammount is easy. For small dosages, you shouldn’t use a 3 cc. It is not precise. And you don’t want dosage variations with trenbolon. The important stuff like alcohol swabs, syringes and needles cost practically nothing. You should switch to 1ml tall insulin syringe.

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Thank you! You answered some of my questions. When you say “3 x 800 NAC and 1 x 500 tudca”, are you saying take three 800mg NAC pills every day? One 500mg Tudca pill per day?

I am prescribed Glutathione injectable from my TRT doctor.

How many mg’s of Telmisartane daily? The pill comes in different mg sizes.

Regards,

Steven Bergren

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Yes exactly, regarding NAC and tudca 3 pills and 1 pill a day, respectively, when on a tren blast.

Injectable glutathione is probably the end boss of antioxidants. But it’s usualy for acute and short term situations. You’d be better of with nac/tudca and feel free to continue NAC once a day for ever. It’s great stuff and it’s cheap and it will you do you no harm. I’ve been taking it daily since way before I even started trt.

Don’t take telmisartane as prevention. Only if needed. Meaning you will have to check your BP regularely on cycle. If over 135/85 take 20mg in the am. If over 150/95 take 40 mg. Do not take over 40mgs.

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Ok. So three 800mg NAC pills is 2400mgs a day, and one 500mg Tudca a day. I can take that along with Glutathione? Or does the Glutathione replace the need for NAC/Tudca? Just want to be sure so that I have everything before I start. I really appreciate it!