Hey guys
Just wanted to know which is better
Tren A or Tren E in case of side effects
I am going to start Tren E and worried about its side effects which i saw online like
Too much Anger, horniness, night sweat, tren cough, heart problems, MOST IMPORTANTLY HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE.
So please tell me which is better
Thanks in advanceš¤
They are both exactly the same except the half lives. From your comments this sounds like you first cycle of AAS? Knowing the difference between trenA and trenE is pretty basic.
Neither are āsafeā and unless you are competing you donāt need to use tren.
Edit-Just read your other post. Are you out of your mind?? Figure out your health issues. Your 26yo. Donāt mess yourself up more than you seem to be already.
Is there a personal reason to believe you might get any side effects at all? Or is it all just too much internet?
Just too much internet
Haha dont worry bro thats a case my friend is facing i am just trying to understand his case from you guys so i can help him as he is scared and tensed. I am 29 and understand risk of these things. But thanks for your good advice happy to see people caring about others.
So which one of the quotes from your posts is you āasking for a friendā?
Yes the hypertension thing is for my friend. He was not going to doc and taking the meds by himself. Which i thought is totally stupid so i took him to doc and explained everything to him
Doc started meds
But heās worried too much even when i said just get better first then after that think about taking these substance
So i told him to post here coz i know these forums are realy good to understand real life experiences and many other things
Come on now, Tren is probably the most side effect prone injectable out there as far as PEDs commonly used. Night sweats, mood, libido all of it. I tried Ace once and got all of it. I had to bail I felt so shitty. That was on a low dose.
I think the short ester is ābetterā in the sense that you can bail quickly if needed. Other than that, they are the same
As others have said, unless you are competing in bodybuilding or a powerlifting event (and IMHO an event bigger than just a local show), NO average steroid user has any business taking Trenbolone, period. Is it a free country, and is it your body? SURE. But the side effects can be SO harsh, so bad for you mentally and physically, that the benefits usually never outweigh the negatives. Rapid hair shedding/loss, night sweats[and smelly sweat too], your HDL cholesterol[good] will absolutely tank while your LDL cholesterol[bad] will raise much higher, there have also been studies that Trenbolone -more so than almost any other steroids- negatively affects the heart muscle very strongly, making it much harder and much less elastic (which is VERY badā¦maybe not right away, but if youād like to live past 40-50, youāre gonna regret taking it). Then of course many get ED, tren cough right after injecting that is both incredibly painful AND terrifying trying to gasp for air, and to me, the worst of all, the MUCH INCREASED AGGRESSION/RAGE.
I was a person who never experienced any real negative mental/emotional side effects from gear, ever, no matter the substance. But Tren is an entirely different animal. I went from a very Type B personality to just being hostile, having a hair trigger that could make me go into a fit of anger over the most trivial thing, and generally walking around and being a total asshole. That stuff hands down will make even the most calm person very, very irritable/hostile. I HATED that side effect as it is not who I am.
Sure, Tren is amazing for increasing strength, even when on a caloric deficit/dieting down for a show. And Tren is useful FOR that increased aggression as you can use that in your workouts to absolutely pound the shit out of the weights. It can make the muscles much harder/detailed, and again allow you to maintain muscle mass while dieting as it greatly reduces cortisol and also due to its protein sparing abilities.
But, as I mentioned before, unless you really NEED the above effects from Tren to either be dialed in for a BBāing competition, or to be crazy strong and aggressive for a powerlifting/strongman meetā¦then, do you really need it? The negatives are NOT worth it! Especially if all you really hope to get out of it is to get biggerā¦which you can do while choosing from many other steroids with much friendlier side effects!
In summation: I would HIGHLY NOT RECOMMEND taking it! There is simply no real reason to experiment with this particular AAS.
Every guy I know that has taken it has had negative side effects. One of my buddies is a pretty calm dude, and he just got stuff like the cough, night sweats, and insomnia. One dude was kinda an ass before Tren. He got pretty crazy on it. Did a lot of stupid shit, and lost quite a few friends. I have one buddy that claims to not be mentally impacted by it, but I can tell when he is on it just by his text messages. He even writes more aggressively on it (which Iāve noticed with others as well).
Then there is no real reason to talk about this. Everything can have sides. If your main concern is sides, you shouldnt be doing any of this.
As someone who dont get much sides from it, i disagree. I think it has a lot to do with demographics. People in general share more negative than positive. If something is bad, you will make a post online. If all goes well - you rarely post again. People are so afraid that they see those sides even if they are not there. The largest problem with tren is that people who love it post less than those who havent even taken it, but post about sides.
But if we are fair, there are more posts bout how TRT didnt work, than there are about how tren is making anyone feel bad.
Of course there are people who get bad sides, but there are people who broke their pee-pee after 1 cycle of 500 test. And there are people who need AI on 200mgs of test. I just dont think its all that bad.
I always found this super funny. Its like saying that just because you are not competitive eater, you have no business eating a whole cake.
Competing in anything is not a gift from Odin which was put in your cradle. Its a personal choice by the individual. Nothing more. You chose to do it just as someone chose not to. The end result is one being in thong on a stage, another one is not. There is nothing mythical about making a choice to compete. In most cases its not even only a choice, but an action which includes you paying to do so even.
Im not saying someone should take tren or steroids in general, im just saying that ones choice to compete and then pay for it, is nothing better than ones choice not to. Those both are just simple choices on how to spend a weekend.
At the end of the day no one cares if you are on stage or on a platform - you actually paid people to look at you and feel like you matter. Try not paying for that meet and no one will look at you deadlift. Now how does that make one person rationalize taking tren?
I have heared this many times āif you dont compete you dont need to [insert drug/technique/equipment/exercise]ā and i just never got the idea why do some people think that making a choice to compete puts them somewhere higher than those who dont make this choice. Its a personal choice and you pay for it.
Its like saying unless you will upload it on pornhub you have no need to take pics of your girlfriend or make a homemade porn. Why not? If you like it, have fun. Not everything is about showing it to other people.
My training is just as serious and important to me as CBums training. I take this shit just as serious or even more serious than he does, because i dont have the genetics and my arms dont grow like his do from doing lots of stupid shit he does. Sure he is better, sure he is competing, but if we look at a personal and intellectual level, he hasnt done anything i havent and he is no better besides the genetic fact of how his body responds. On a personal level i dont think he can/should be able to anything more than anyone who have put their all in this thing.
@hankthetank89 Perhaps I used this phrase incorrectly or without setting it in the right context. Or hell, maybe I just didnāt make the best reasoning. Whenever I or anyone else states this, it means that for the risk/benefit tradeoff, Tren is simply NOT an ideal steroid for āMOSTā people.
I think a good analogy is like this (and hell, perhaps this isnāt the best, I donāt know): If you are an average Joe, if you go and use your hard earned money to buy a muscle car (camaro, mustang, challenger, etc.) and then you spend tens of thousands of dollars to add superchargers, forced induction, headers, new camshaft, nitrous, etc. to it to make it a really fast, powerful race car, you have a MUCH greater risk of blowing/destroying your engine with all of that extra power.
Now, if you are just an average 9-5 office worker, again, sure you can do this, itās your car, your money, but if thatās your only transportation and you are not rich, is the risk of destroying your means of transport and costing you thousands of dollars you donāt have laying around really worth just being able to go really, really fast from stoplight to stoplight while driving around the city streets?? NO, that is an easy answer.
However, if you maybe earn a very, very good income and have thousands of dollars laying around while you are still just a regular office worker with more than 1 car available to you for transportation, you are a proficient auto mechanic, and you also really are into serious semi-professional racing leagues, traveling around to various racetracks and entering into serious races with your car, is it worth spending all that money to make your car very fast and powerful? The answer on that might be much easier to say YES.
In the above case of the guy with a lot of extra money laying around, his risk/benefit is much more skewed towards beefing up his muscle car as the benefits/rewards make the risks not as extreme. I think that Tren is like that in a sense. BUT YES, if the regular, non competing person wants to take this, they should do whatever the hell they want as it is a free country and adults should be able to put into their own bodies whatever the hell they want; itās their decision and no one should tell them otherwise.
But again my meaning behind why most normal, non competing people shouldnāt probably take Trenbolone was that for all the benefits[medium to high], the risks of taking that particular anabolic steroid[medium to high] were just not worth the much higher likelihood of negative physiological impacts.
The guy can do whatever he wants as heās a grown ass man, but I was merely giving MY opinion.
I think another take behind this reasoning of @meastlake1 would be that the OP probably should not be taking tren if he is nowhere near his muscle building genetic potential - in other words competition ready (while most guys competing are usually already near or surpassed their natural potential). In this case he can achieve a better physique than his current one by following simple, standardized diet and training protocols with perhaps less harsh anabolics and save the Tren for when it will actually be of greater use. But I think we all agree that we can put in our bodies whatever we want. Is it always a good idea? - probably not.
My preference would be Tren E and start with 100mg/wk. Monitor blood pressure.
If all is well try upping the Tren to 200mg/wk. Monitor blood pressure. And so onā¦
It is my favorite feedback loop that I did in all my bodybuilding endeavors. Plan-Do-Check-Act.
If blood pressure is the sole issue, you donāt need to be concerned with choosing a fast eliminating AAS. It will drop soon enough when you stop administration. High blood pressure is a chronic killer.
2 to 3 cycles in 4 years?
This is not near the commitment that I could recommend a person to introduce Tren. IMO, full commitment is āon cycleā more than āoff cycle.ā Though I never did āblast and cruise,ā I would recommend āblastingā at least 40% of the time if you would consider using Tren.
I understood your idea, and it makes sense. Its just that i see this a bit different. First of all, i am not sure if tren is so much worse. I was doing a gram of tren for 2-3 years straight when i was fighting professionally and i had 0 sides, and i did a full checkup of heart and organs a year ago, and i turned out completely normal.
Some people sweat more, some get insomnia, some get a bit rage, some get cough, but i just dont think its that bad. But if we drop the side effect thing, i see tren as the best steroid there is. I was the strongest on it, i looked the best, i was the leanest, i could drop10lbs in 4 days in a brutal deficit, starving and doing 4 hours of cardio, and different crazy shit(it was a while back). For me test+tren is best for bulk and for cut and i think that it will make a person be at his best.
So when we talk options, i see it as a waste of time to do year on test, year on test and eq, etc. Unless sides are really bad, id say - just do test and tren, and see where you can get.
The problem with choosing milder drugs is the time. There are people who say tren is so bad, but they would be on test, anavar, npp for 10 years getting nowhere and/or āgetting ready for trenā.
Id say - just do tren for 4-6 months and see where it gets you. After that you can just stop looking for combinations of drugs because nothing will do more.
Im not disagreeing with your points, i just shared my points which come from a different point of seeing this thing.
thats a different thing, he didnt share shit here and i am tired of asking for pics in every topic i comment 
On this we definitely AGREE. If you leave the potential negative side effects out of it, then yes, I also think that Trenbolone is THE most potent/strongest/effective steroid out there! It got me incredibly strong in a remarkably short amount of time, it made my muscles hard as concrete, and like you say, it didnāt matter if I was cutting or off season bulking, Tren made me leaner and much more defined. I loved the aggression for how I would be able to attack my workouts with an intensity, a ferocity, that NO OTHER steroid gave me. I mean I wanted to fucking lift all the weights in the entire gym and nobody better tell me otherwise. When channeled only just into my workouts, I was a training machine where the amount of weight I lifted was never enough.
Iām glad that you donāt seem to be as strongly as affected by the potential negative side effects @hankthetank89 , you sir are very lucky and frankly, to be honest, if I were you, Iād probably also only just run Tren/Test myself. However, like a high percentage of others though, the side effects of Tren are simply to me not worth the benefitsā¦which I admit sucks for me. But I know me, and I know that when Iām personally on Trenbolone I am NOT my usual calm, collected self and it sucks but I donāt trust myself to do some stupid, dumb shit and pound the crap outta someone and get arrested or hurt someone who probably didnāt deserve it. Now if I was a fighter, well, Iād get some great benefit out of Trenās aggression for sure!
Good to hear your perspective though Hank.
Been using Tren for over 10 years. Blood work done regularly, doctor supervised and never any issue.
Problem is when people take too much. I keep it around 200-300 max a week of Tren with around 500 mg test plus I never use ace or side effects are wild up and down from fast spike ester. Best to take moderate to light amount of AAS over longer time and the results are no sides with more gains. You will never be a professional body builder off it without dangerous amounts but almost all of us will never be. I walk around as one of the bigger guys at the gym. This whole idea of more is better is stupid. Get your diet, sleep, water, recovery then mild amount of AAS to boost it and you will be happier at least Iām happy with zero sidesā¦ Well almost zero. . My wife still keeps getting pregnant consistently. And yes my gear is correct as my blood work shows very high levels even with low usage. Stay safe stay swollenš