Trivium Can't Compete

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I realized something after high school that I think might help you. I began to notice that I was very unsuccessful with girls I was interested in and they seem almost off put by me despite me being super nice doting guy, even if they had been originally interested. With that said, every female friend that I had would at some point go on and on about how they had always had a crush on me.

Made me wonder why it was I was attractive to girls I wasn’t actively pursuing who were equal on the attractiveness scale to the ones I was going after and chasing away. Then it hit me, just stop trying so damn hard. Talk to a girl just like you would a guy or female friend. It puts you at ease, gives off a less needy clingy vibe.

Then you can start moving things in a romantic direction when the moment presents itself and if you have put her at ease and invite her to somewhere where you to can be more intimate, she will usually accept and if she does she will usually be open to your advances. To many guys way overthink this. Granted, I am naturally kind of a selfish dick so that may help my cause.

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Don’t feel too bad for Trivium, he might end up like this guy after everything is said and done, still awkward as fuck, but a billionaire nonetheless.

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[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
What the fuck is an AFC?[/quote]

AFC = average frustrated chump.[/quote]
So do you think you’re average or not?[/quote]

I used to think that I was doing pretty well, but recently I am starting to think that I am just another average joe.

Today was an odd day though.

I had another Rough experience with the first girl I talked to. Went to say hello, and she bitched me out pretty hard. I just said that I didn’t mean to bother her, and told her to have a nice day. She ran after me to apologize. I just said that it was ok, and I turned around and walked away. I have no idea what I did.

I have no idea what that was about.

Otherwise I was 2/3.[/quote]

I want you to look up Paul Elam and the series he was making, well, still makes, with Dr Tara Palmatier.

Watch all of them.

There are women out there who are frankly nothing but assholes with tits no matter what their DSM classification might be and you dont want any part of that.

You would not believe what kind of shit these women can pull off and you as a man are vulnerable to that, in part because of your biological, in part because of cultural programming.

Also, if push comes to shove that little damsel in distress will have a whole army of white knights and a nation state coming to her “rescue”.

Personality disorders are on the rise and the level of subclinical narcissism is around 30% for college students now.

1 in 3, think about that, 1 in 3.

Why am I saying this?

Because the tone of your post is kind of female approval seeking-ish.

Dont care whether women approve of you or not, a lot invariably will, you screen her and you screen her hard.

If a woman is a bitch the first time you meet her, thank her and mean it, she just saved you so much time.

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Im a youngin and can tell you these steps:

A) stop trying so damn hard. Youre looking at every woman like they might be the one and you reek of it. If men on the internet can tell, you bet women in person can tell instantly

B) Take any opportunity you can to get involved. You might meet interesting people who happen to be woman that one day you might want to be in a relationship with

C) the less you blabber with your mouth the more women are forced to think. This goes along with why I stopped texting any girls when trying to date them. If you talk too much, they think they know everything and are no longer interested. Mystery and thought are powerful tools

D) Walk with confidence, not arrogance. Dont think who the fuck you are and say oh im so athletic and smart women should love me… Think, I know im a good guy, i have my own pitfalls and scars, but Im proud of who I am. Women and men alike respect that

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Stop trying to meet a girlfriend. Start trying to meet and engage with people in general. Focus on the process, not the prize. I believe this has been mentioned before but it’s worth repeating.[/quote]

Another xWhatever on this.

I know there’s a hundred books on it, but one of the most useful skills in any interaction is to just figuring out how to get people to talk about themselves. The more they talk about themselves (good or bad), the more they tend to like you.

That’s just a useful skill in general.

With women, if you can ask the right questions and genuinely appear interested in her and what she’s talking about, that gets you far. Pretty much the only feedback you need to give is in the form of facial expressions and body language, and the questions you ask her.

Related, there’s a big difference between your eyes, face, body language saying “wow, you’re amazing”… and actually verbalizing it.

But, get a girl to talk about herself, pay attention to her emotional state and learn to just keep the conversation in places where she enjoys it. I.e., pay attention to which things is she passionate about and get her to talk more about those, and if she starts to go negative, gracefully change the topic. You want her to associate positive emotions whenever she interacts with you, even if those emotions are about things that have nothing to do with you.

You don’t have to take her completely seriously though. Tease her, question her assumptions about things, just find a way to keep her smiling.

Once you figure that out, you can have conversations with girls where you never say a thing about yourself, but she’s extremely interested in you. She’s not interested in you for you, she’s interested in you for how you make her feel. Make her feel happy when she’s with you, let her have fun, make her feel safe with respect to her own insecurities, and you’re pretty much golden.

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Don’t take this too personally, Trivium, but you sound like a narcissistic and whiny cunt.

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[quote]PlainPat wrote:
Im a youngin and can tell you these steps:

A) stop trying so damn hard. Youre looking at every woman like they might be the one and you reek of it. If men on the internet can tell, you bet women in person can tell instantly

B) Take any opportunity you can to get involved. You might meet interesting people who happen to be woman that one day you might want to be in a relationship with

C) the less you blabber with your mouth the more women are forced to think. This goes along with why I stopped texting any girls when trying to date them. If you talk too much, they think they know everything and are no longer interested. Mystery and thought are powerful tools

D) Walk with confidence, not arrogance. Dont think who the fuck you are and say oh im so athletic and smart women should love me… Think, I know im a good guy, i have my own pitfalls and scars, but Im proud of who I am. Women and men alike respect that [/quote]

Agreed with all but C just from personal experience. Gf and I talked for a month everyday for hours before we started dating and we haven’t had a day wihtout talking most of the day. But again just my experience.

The rest especially A and D

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Don’t take this too personally, Trivium, but you sound like a narcissistic and whiny cunt.

[/quote]

Well, how could he take it any other way if he indeed was a narcissistic and whiny cunt?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Don’t take this too personally, Trivium, but you sound like a narcissistic and whiny cunt.

[/quote]

Well, how could he take it any other way if he indeed was a narcissistic and whiny cunt?[/quote]

We’ll never know.

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I am still reading along I just have a shit ton of work on my plate at the moment.

I still have to read Pwnisher’s post. I skimmed it, and it looked pretty good.

I told you guys I wrote some sarcasm in there haha. (Ex. the new car, and gettin while the gettin is good.) I did say that I didn’t want to be “that guy” a few posts ago haha.

I have read The Game, and I am not sure that I believe that I want to treat women as a series of triggers, and have to follow some approach to winning her over.

I do however seem to make friends with women well, but all the single ones eventually go crazy on me, and I never end up being attracted to them. I had one really good friend in college that asked me out one day after class, and I just didn’t think of her that way. She told me I was “a complete idiot” and never talked to me again after being friends for 4 years. I was kind of upset over that, but it was her choice and I respect it. This happens to me quite a bit actually.

I should mention that my last real relationship didn’t end well (really not my fault according to people who knew us), and that I did go through a huge rebuilding phase. My life came off the tracks a bit there. I do kind of have a few areas of my life figured out after that. It was to the point where I had to get my shit together, or risk getting off the path to my degrees/job. I did have a lot more female attention back then, but I don’t need all kinds of girls around. I would rather just have the one that I like to spend time with and makes me feel like I should be a better person.

As for the 30 year old girl that thought I was a creep or douche? If she thinks so, then I guess I am. Who am I to fight what I definitely must be based on one post in the GAL forum of T-Nation?

As for the whole “go get laid” thing. I just don’t do things that way. Maybe that makes me a pussy, but I just can’t. I don’t know.

As for the poster that said that said women like brutally honest personalities, I am not so sure about that.

I really don’t think that when I approach a woman, I come across as being a sweaty palmed, heavy breathing creep that gives tons of compliments in the hopes that he will find any girl that will date him. I mean shit, I am not that desperate/pathetic haha. I have a bit more pride than that haha.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Don’t take this too personally, Trivium, but you sound like a narcissistic and whiny cunt.

[/quote]

Well, how could he take it any other way if he indeed was a narcissistic and whiny cunt?[/quote]

We’ll never know.[/quote]

Why won’t we ever know?

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]PlainPat wrote:
Im a youngin and can tell you these steps:

A) stop trying so damn hard. Youre looking at every woman like they might be the one and you reek of it. If men on the internet can tell, you bet women in person can tell instantly

B) Take any opportunity you can to get involved. You might meet interesting people who happen to be woman that one day you might want to be in a relationship with

C) the less you blabber with your mouth the more women are forced to think. This goes along with why I stopped texting any girls when trying to date them. If you talk too much, they think they know everything and are no longer interested. Mystery and thought are powerful tools

D) Walk with confidence, not arrogance. Dont think who the fuck you are and say oh im so athletic and smart women should love me… Think, I know im a good guy, i have my own pitfalls and scars, but Im proud of who I am. Women and men alike respect that [/quote]

Agreed with all but C just from personal experience. Gf and I talked for a month everyday for hours before we started dating and we haven’t had a day wihtout talking most of the day. But again just my experience.

The rest especially A and D
[/quote]

For the record I hate texting. I am much more comfortable talking in person.

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Do you have female friends? Get to know them first that way, then be a little flirty if you want to date. If you’re a catch then the friendzone is bullshit.

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[quote]trivium wrote:
I am still reading along I just have a shit ton of work on my plate at the moment.

I still have to read Pwnisher’s post. I skimmed it, and it looked pretty good.

I told you guys I wrote some sarcasm in there haha. (Ex. the new car, and gettin while the gettin is good.) I did say that I didn’t want to be “that guy” a few posts ago haha.

I have read The Game, and I am not sure that I believe that I want to treat women as a series of triggers, and have to follow some approach to winning her over.

I do however seem to make friends with women well, but all the single ones eventually go crazy on me, and I never end up being attracted to them. I had one really good friend in college that asked me out one day after class, and I just didn’t think of her that way. She told me I was “a complete idiot” and never talked to me again after being friends for 4 years. I was kind of upset over that, but it was her choice and I respect it. This happens to me quite a bit actually.

I should mention that my last real relationship didn’t end well (really not my fault according to people who knew us), and that I did go through a huge rebuilding phase. My life came off the tracks a bit there. I do kind of have a few areas of my life figured out after that. It was to the point where I had to get my shit together, or risk getting off the path to my degrees/job. I did have a lot more female attention back then, but I don’t need all kinds of girls around. I would rather just have the one that I like to spend time with and makes me feel like I should be a better person.

As for the 30 year old girl that thought I was a creep or douche? If she thinks so, then I guess I am. Who am I to fight what I definitely must be based on one post in the GAL forum of T-Nation?

As for the whole “go get laid” thing. I just don’t do things that way. Maybe that makes me a pussy, but I just can’t. I don’t know.

As for the poster that said that said women like brutally honest personalities, I am not so sure about that.

I really don’t think that when I approach a woman, I come across as being a sweaty palmed, heavy breathing creep that gives tons of compliments in the hopes that he will find any girl that will date him. I mean shit, I am not that desperate/pathetic haha. I have a bit more pride than that haha.[/quote]

This post epitomizes why you’re having trouble. This is you just saying how your lack of success has nothing really to do with you, and that everyone’s advice is misguided.

You’re either coming off as a creepy try-hard or a boring arrogant douche. Either way it’s not working. So stop trying as hard, treat women like human beings and talk to them casually, and realize that no girl gives a shit about your PL total or your IQ.

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I do bootcamps teaching guys how to succeed with women and your post, op, is AFC. You answer a lot of your questions, if you want to be a player it’s a skill and you have to learn how to play the game and then put them into practice. If you just want a serious relationship then you should still heed a lot of the advicr players will give because it will give you the power you need to be the selector and get the girl of your dreams. I would also say that you have a very skewed view of what women actually find attractive.

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]trivium wrote:
I am still reading along I just have a shit ton of work on my plate at the moment.

I still have to read Pwnisher’s post. I skimmed it, and it looked pretty good.

I told you guys I wrote some sarcasm in there haha. (Ex. the new car, and gettin while the gettin is good.) I did say that I didn’t want to be “that guy” a few posts ago haha.

I have read The Game, and I am not sure that I believe that I want to treat women as a series of triggers, and have to follow some approach to winning her over.

I do however seem to make friends with women well, but all the single ones eventually go crazy on me, and I never end up being attracted to them. I had one really good friend in college that asked me out one day after class, and I just didn’t think of her that way. She told me I was “a complete idiot” and never talked to me again after being friends for 4 years. I was kind of upset over that, but it was her choice and I respect it. This happens to me quite a bit actually.

I should mention that my last real relationship didn’t end well (really not my fault according to people who knew us), and that I did go through a huge rebuilding phase. My life came off the tracks a bit there. I do kind of have a few areas of my life figured out after that. It was to the point where I had to get my shit together, or risk getting off the path to my degrees/job. I did have a lot more female attention back then, but I don’t need all kinds of girls around. I would rather just have the one that I like to spend time with and makes me feel like I should be a better person.

As for the 30 year old girl that thought I was a creep or douche? If she thinks so, then I guess I am. Who am I to fight what I definitely must be based on one post in the GAL forum of T-Nation?

As for the whole “go get laid” thing. I just don’t do things that way. Maybe that makes me a pussy, but I just can’t. I don’t know.

As for the poster that said that said women like brutally honest personalities, I am not so sure about that.

I really don’t think that when I approach a woman, I come across as being a sweaty palmed, heavy breathing creep that gives tons of compliments in the hopes that he will find any girl that will date him. I mean shit, I am not that desperate/pathetic haha. I have a bit more pride than that haha.[/quote]

This post epitomizes why you’re having trouble. This is you just saying how your lack of success has nothing really to do with you, and that everyone’s advice is misguided.

You’re either coming off as a creepy try-hard or a boring arrogant douche. Either way it’s not working. So stop trying as hard, treat women like human beings and talk to them casually, and realize that no girl gives a shit about your PL total or your IQ.
[/quote]

x2 on this as well

If you havent realized, any woman worth meeting seriously does not give a fuck that youre athletic or have a good IQ. To quote donnie thompson no one gives a damn about your squat

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“As for the poster that said that said women like brutally honest personalities, I am not so sure about that.”

Hahahahahahaha you’re just too much of pussy to handle the possibility of someone not liking you or thinking you’re a bad person, which is exactly why you’re at home holding your dick and posting in this forum whining about how you can’t get a girl.

You’re a classic narcissist and narcissists are chumps who sit around talking about all the great things they’re capable of and either don’t try or give up at the slightest possibility of failure retreating to a list of predetermined excuses that never reference their own obvious fears and weaknesses.

You’re a bitch and you’re only upset because chicks aren’t buying into your passive-aggressive manipulative tactics of ‘nice guy-ing’ your way into their vaginas while praising you for how ‘well-rounded and great of a guy you are.’

You’re full of shit.

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[quote]SuperVillian wrote:
“As for the poster that said that said women like brutally honest personalities, I am not so sure about that.”

Hahahahahahaha you’re just too much of pussy to handle the possibility of someone not liking you or thinking you’re a bad person, which is exactly why you’re at home holding your dick and posting in this forum whining about how you can’t get a girl.

You’re a classic narcissist and narcissists are chumps who sit around talking about all the great things they’re capable of and either don’t try or give up at the slightest possibility of failure retreating to a list of predetermined excuses that never reference their own obvious fears and weaknesses.

You’re a bitch and you’re only upset because chicks aren’t buying into your passive-aggressive manipulative tactics of ‘nice guy-ing’ your way into their vaginas while praising you for how ‘well-rounded and great of a guy you are.’

You’re full of shit. [/quote]
Damn. Get rekt.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Stop trying to meet a girlfriend. Start trying to meet and engage with people in general. Focus on the process, not the prize. I believe this has been mentioned before but it’s worth repeating.[/quote]

Another xWhatever on this.

I know there’s a hundred books on it, but one of the most useful skills in any interaction is to just figuring out how to get people to talk about themselves. The more they talk about themselves (good or bad), the more they tend to like you.

That’s just a useful skill in general.

With women, if you can ask the right questions and genuinely appear interested in her and what she’s talking about, that gets you far. Pretty much the only feedback you need to give is in the form of facial expressions and body language, and the questions you ask her.

Related, there’s a big difference between your eyes, face, body language saying “wow, you’re amazing”… and actually verbalizing it.

But, get a girl to talk about herself, pay attention to her emotional state and learn to just keep the conversation in places where she enjoys it. I.e., pay attention to which things is she passionate about and get her to talk more about those, and if she starts to go negative, gracefully change the topic. You want her to associate positive emotions whenever she interacts with you, even if those emotions are about things that have nothing to do with you.

You don’t have to take her completely seriously though. Tease her, question her assumptions about things, just find a way to keep her smiling.

Once you figure that out, you can have conversations with girls where you never say a thing about yourself, but she’s extremely interested in you. She’s not interested in you for you, she’s interested in you for how you make her feel. Make her feel happy when she’s with you, let her have fun, make her feel safe with respect to her own insecurities, and you’re pretty much golden.[/quote]

That’s some American Psycho shit right there, let me translate…

Women are self-absorbed feeble minded creatures who you can manipulate and toy with for your own amusement and validation without ever really revealing anything about yourself or facing rejection.

Ted Bundy would be proud.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]PlainPat wrote:
Im a youngin and can tell you these steps:

A) stop trying so damn hard. Youre looking at every woman like they might be the one and you reek of it. If men on the internet can tell, you bet women in person can tell instantly

B) Take any opportunity you can to get involved. You might meet interesting people who happen to be woman that one day you might want to be in a relationship with

C) the less you blabber with your mouth the more women are forced to think. This goes along with why I stopped texting any girls when trying to date them. If you talk too much, they think they know everything and are no longer interested. Mystery and thought are powerful tools

D) Walk with confidence, not arrogance. Dont think who the fuck you are and say oh im so athletic and smart women should love me… Think, I know im a good guy, i have my own pitfalls and scars, but Im proud of who I am. Women and men alike respect that [/quote]

Agreed with all but C just from personal experience. Gf and I talked for a month everyday for hours before we started dating and we haven’t had a day wihtout talking most of the day. But again just my experience.

The rest especially A and D
[/quote]

I swear if you reference how happy and healthy your relationship is with your current girlfriend one more time I’m gonna start kicking puppies and punching old people…

100% kidding hahaha, but D is definitely good advice.