[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I know Trevor’s history being I followed him in the early 2000’s when he had his Nuclear Nutrition and his own nutrition line. I also picked upa copy of Gear Uzr, his own magazine. I also remember the interviews he did with Jason Mueller and Ian Harrison for Anabolic Extreme. I even shared an email with him once. I’ve also met his former wife. So I know a little bit about him too.
I DEGRADED him?
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If you truly knew that much, then I was right as to why you created the thread.
Thanks for that.[/quote]
X- you seriously sounds like you have an ax to grind with some people lately. I never do this, but I actually went back to the original post just to double check what Brick wrote, and I fail to see what the big deal is. He followed Trevor’s writing extensively over the years, but never (until now) actually saw any recall footage of the guy. As there aren’t (allegedly) any pics of him shirtless, young Brick was left with Trevor’s own recounting his exploits, stats, accomplishments etc to create an image in his mind of just what an impressive specimen he was before his untimely passing.
Along these lines, he expressed his surprise (and possibly a bit of hero-worshiping let down) to not be impressed by the one video that he’s been able to track down.
As he put it in one of his initial posts:
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from the way the guy spoke, I really was expecting more, perhaps along the lines of 500+ pound full range squats for reps, or if not that, at least some monstrous poundages on the leg press and hack squat with decent form, and legs that would make most pros envious. This is not to discredit what the guy does–this is simply lifting weights and I can’t take it so damn seriously that I’m going to give unrelenting criticism for a deceased man–but I was expecting much more [/quote]
Doesn’t sound like he’s berating a deceased lifter, merely expressing a combination of let down, and possibly pondering if there was ever a bit of hyperbole on Smith’s part in order to garner a following. Couple this with the fact that his wife (who I know for a fact that Brick has spent time with due to a ‘connection’ to her new husband) isn’t releasing any videos or photos of the deceased, and we’re left with a whole lot of writing, anecdotes, and what looks to be only this one video. Obviously you’re going to read into this what you want, but there’s nothing really malicious sounding in this thread.
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Stu, I have as much right to post about what I see wrong in what someone posts as you do.
I did that. Maybe some day you will be tolerant enough to let that happen without faulting me for it while doing it to me yourself constantly.[/quote]
Bro, I’m not a saint, and perhaps I’m guilty of acting goofy here and there, but this is bodybuilding. And when I say bodybuilding, I’m not just talking about the activity or sport or lifestyle known as bodybuilding; I’m talking about it all, the scene, the industry, the world of bodybuilding. It has always been a world of gossip, urban legends, and myths. Shit, Musclemag International and Ironman magazines used to have full-blown gossip columns and Dan Duchaine’s and Greg Zulak’s columns were as much gossip, shit-talking, and urban legend dispensing as they were informative on bodybuilding. If I recall correctly, there was a guy named Bryan Niece (right spelling, right name?) who only had a column for gossip and opinions. No other “sport” has as much shit talking and attention whoring and hangers-on as bodybuilding. Why? Because it’s pretty much impossible in other serious endeavors. So perhaps I’m guilty for participating and acting a bit infantile and gossipy here and there. But if you have a problem with some of the more goofy stuff I say here and there, then you’d have ENORMOUS problems with what’s said on other boards, particularly GB, MW (I think you’d have a near heart attack with this one), MD, and BB. And I strongly suspect the degree of maliciousness and pathology expressed on those boards is because bodybuilding has ALWAYS attracted particularly infantile, lost, lonely, disaffected, and overall strange people. I understand why you might come to some other men’s defense, but when Kali Muscle says that “robbin’ yo mama, yo sista, yo granma” is a viable alternative to stripping and that he’s a natty ripped 260, it’s normal and natural for others to take offense and EXPRESS this offense, all the while not giving a damn that he’s big (bigness doesn’t warrant respect).
What Stu wrote is dead on. It was sort of like hero let down. When I was young, in my HIGHLY impressionable (I was a VERY naive boy), lonely, and younger days I literally thought the world of people like Nasser and Dorian. And I thought highly of people like Trevor Smith, Ron Harris, Jason Mueller, Dante, John Romano, Greg Zulak, and Ronnie Teper, because I could relate to them; after all, if I could never be a pro bodybuilder, I could relate to these people who were involved in the scene in some way. And as CHILDISH as this sounds, I actually aspired to be like one of those hangers-on, a guy who earns some money from the industry or has friends in it–simply put: a jockgrabber–but doesn’t compete as a pro bodybuilder. Well, it didn’t work out like that.
So indeed when I saw a video like that, or found out some unsavory news about some guy I used to think was godly, I guess you can refer to it as hero letdown. From Trevor’s writings from over a decade ago, I got the impression that he was some guy sporting size rivaling that of Nasser, Ian Harrison, Mike Francois, and Jean Pierre Fuchs but simply didn’t want to compete, but at the same time “had all the answers” and was handling poundages that elite powerlifters of the time would envy. In his interviews he would speak of most others in the industry as know-nothings, immoral people, and lazy bums and of accomplishment upon accomplishment and insight upon insight. So when I saw this video, yeah, it was a bit incongruent with what I expected. But this is not unique to this video. I had the impression back then that Dorian was a gentleman, but when I met him–when I was the only person in a damn mall who went up to him because of his position in life–he didn’t act like a gentleman would to a 19 year old kid.
Whatever… you get the picture! Ever care to calm the hell down? It’s bodybuilding, and I’m sorry to break it, it’s not as important as the president, the Pope, or Western Civilization or whatever![/quote]
Why would you write all this, knowing that X will choose a single sentence fragment to quote from this entire post and put some crazy spin on it?
