Hi. Please help me out here. I have read Bill Roberts drug Profile article about trenbolone acetate. He says:
“Fifty milligrams per day is a good dosing for someone on his first cycle or someone who is as yet less than, say, 20 pounds over his natural limit; while 100 mg/day may be preferred by the more advanced user who has already gained more than this. These doses are assuming that trenbolone is the only Class I steroid being use. THERE REALLY IS NO NEED TO STACK ANOTHER – testosterone being the only sensible exception – but if another is stacked then the amount of trenbolone may be reduced accordingly.”
Im starting my cutting cycle in 2 weeks. This is my 6th cycle, and I want to use TA only on this one, but I see that most of you guys dont recomed it. Why? If I shal stack anything Ill go for testosterone, but I dont understand why I need to do this? because of total testosterone shut-down?
He also says:
“TA is an extraordinarily potent AAS, being about three times as effective per milligram as testosterone esters”.
Im going to run 75mg ED for 8weeks, that`s about 500mg/week. Will this give me the same effect as 1500mg testosterone/week?
Ill run armidex if I go for testo. Ill finish the cycle off with 2weeks of oral winstrol at 50mg ED. After that Ill use clomid at 300mg day1, 150mg day2, and 50mg ED for 4 more weeks!
What is your opinion and comments? Let me have it.
I think what Bill Roberts meant is that no other class one steroids should be used with it, except testosterone, which is considered to have properties of class one and class 2. But, you can or should take a class 2 with in order to get the best results.
If I were you I’d run both the tren and winny for 8 full weeks… Maybe at 50-75/day each. Adding prop would be logical as well, again at 50-75/day.
The tren could be the class one and winny the class 2. Plus this combination is very potent for fat loss! And adding prop would also be a very good idea, because Test works in different mechanisms of action that either tren or winny.
I might even add some primo for the joints if needed…
but the winny is ORAL. I can`t do 17-aa for more than 6weeks! Since this is a cuttingcycle I prefer 10-12weeks not 6-8, so Illsave the oral winny to finish it of.
Then take the winny from weeks 2-8. Trust me! listen to what these guys are saying. And btw 1500mg of test has definitly different effects then 500mg of tren per week. 1500mg will blow you up full of water! As far as prop goes, I wouldn’t worry about taking too much of it. This is just to keep the libido going, so 50mg as a booster every 4 days or so or even as needed. This method will help minimize your water retention while on cycle.
Tren acetate is much stronger than the tren of yesteryear. 40mg of Tren acetate is equal to that of 76mg of the old Tren. I would try stacking your Tren acetate with some d-bol and Test Enanthate. The stack below has yielded great results for me. Check it out. It is easy, simple and effective. Remember, you do not have to use a ton of gear to get great results.
Weeks 1-8:
D-Bol @ 40(1),40(2),40(3),40(4),30(5),25(6),20(7),15(8) Five days a week only!
Test @ 250 for 10 weeks (along w/D-Bol)
Weeks 9-14:
Tren acetate @ 40mg/every 3rd day(Mon & Fri)(Start the Tren when you finish the D/Bol)
I used Arimidex eod @ .25 mg througout entire cycle.
You will not have to worry about your boys not being functional since the Enanthate will stay active for 4-5 weeks after the last shot.
Be sure sure to use a Liver Detoxifier throught your cycle. It helps for sure.
Post Cycle: 40mg of Nolvadex for 2 weeks, 20mg of Nolvadex for 4 weeks.
Personally, I experienced great gains in every workout in the gym while on this cycle. I started the cycle with a weight of 207 @ 14%bdyfat and ended up with a weight of 233 @ 10%bdyfat. I consider that to be pretty damn good. Keep your diet respectable while on this particular cycle and you should feel and look great at the end of it.
Let me know if you have any more questions. Take care and live well.
there are a lot of theories floating around in this thread. i would have to say that “archaics” is the closest to what i think is best. a tren/winny stack would work nicely. however to reduce injection volume from the prop i would just shoot 300mgs of enanathate or cyp a week throughout. of course i am assuming you have winstrol depot, thus would be injecting two chemicals already. which, depending on potency would already be 1 1/2 to 2cc’s.
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Squat: 585 for 10 reps
Bent Over Row: 365 for 8 reps
Bench Press: 405 for 8 reps
Deadlift: 415 for 8 reps
For those of you who insist on using Clomid for posy cycle recovery. Think about switching to Nolva. It is a stronger, kinder, gentler agent for post cycle recovery. Do some research and try it for yourself. Trust me it is better. Better for your cholesterol profile and it will not have you reaching your glasses to see things clearly. Later.
As far a during and post cycle anti-estrogens, I think the science is solid that Nolva is the best choice. Additionally, one great side that clomid doesn’t have is that is favorable to high HDL (good cholesterol), unlike clomid.
I agree that nolva is stronger for most applications.
However, Clomid seems to be better at jump-starting the boys post cycle, due to (correct me if I’m wrong) it binding to ER sites in the Hypothalamus causing a release of LH. However this response is supposed to downregulate after a few weeks. That’s why I use clomid for only 3-4 weeks post cycle.
Of course, I have read articles both for and against these arguements. However, I have found through personal and anecdotal experience from friends that clomid is superior for recovery, but Nolva is the anti-estrogen of choice for fighting gyno, and it does act on the liver favourably (like E2)towards blood lipid profiles (which would only be an issue when you’re dealing with a non-aromatising cycle or using an aromatase inhibitor).
I agree with you Archaic about the clomid! Armidex and nolvadex is used during cycle to prevent gyno and bloating, and clomid post cycle to kickstart LH → testosteron.
What about this for a 8week cuttingcycle:
75mg trenbolone acetate EOD
250mg Test enanthate Every 6th day
Armidex av 0,25 ED
(Thats a total of 555mg AAS/week)
After this 8weeks Ill go home to norway were I have my winny (oral, 50mg tabletts), and continue on 50mg winny ED for 14days before I start the clomid!
Nolva and Clomid are pretty much twins in the post cycle arena. They really do the same thing but exhibit different side effects to the body. Personally, I always opt for Nolva because I find it balloons my boys up faster than Clomid. However, due to genetics I rarely experience any real atrophy of the boys.
Nolva is also a stronger compound mg for mg than Clomid. And yes the cholesterol and liver scenario is better with Nolva. Also, Clomid is very tough on the eyes. One could say that it has somewhat of a oxidative effect on the eyes.
I had a long conversation with my Urologist about this topic and he agrees that Nolva is a far better choice in Post Cyle therapy. This guy was very candid on this topic. He also advised me to stay away from Winny because it can promote a varicose sitution in the nad area. Have you ever heard of such a thing?
I have to trust this Doctor because he is willing to monitor me while I am on and off cycles. So far his advice has been on the money. Your thoughts?
Has anyone ever thought of stacking Tribestan with either Nolva or Clomid post cycle?
If you want see your nuts explode their way back to a state of normalcy I suggest you try it. Just a thought.
