Alright so here are all the details on where I am at and what I am trying to get worked out.
I have been planning a Test 600mg (W 1-15) and Tbol 50mg (W 1-8) cycle for about 4 months now. I was supposed to start already but had some delays:
international vacation
on that vacation got bit by a mosquito and got viral meningitis that went septic and almost died ( Seriously and lost an inch on my arms and 12 lbs) (gained back a little now)
might delay another 6 weeks for a vasectomy.
Since I have been delayed, I have been tweaking my cycle. I found out I have Hashimoto’s disease and have been put on 50mcg of t4. I now have added 150mcg t4 / 40mcg t3 to the cycle. Not a big deal have run this before. The thing I recently wanted to add was a low dose of Tren A. I tried it once 11 years ago with low sides. I was thinking of adding 50mg EOD for 8 weeks.
So my question is the Tbol with the Tren. So I want to do the smartest thing for my liver. So should I lower the length of Tbol? Should I condense it to 5 weeks 75mg daily? Should I leave it the same? I’ll run NAC and Tuduca and drink at least a gallon of water a day.
My goal is to recomp. I have 2 cycles worth of HCG, Nolva, Aromasin, Caber, Clomid, and Raloxefine (I believe in being prepared)
I have posted my stats before but has changed because of the loss of muscle from bearly dying. 194lbs 20%bf ( 201 was 18%) 38M. Just had blood work done. All my levels are in excellent shape.
So is 8 weeks tbol at 50mg too much with the 50mg EOD tren a? and how should I adjust?
THESE are your stats?? Why are you running ANY gear? Unless you’re like 5’ tall, you’re not carrying a whole lot of muscle in the first place. Maybe just start lifting weights?
Well like I said I wiped out about a year’s progress in 2 weeks of being sick. As stated I have Thyroid disease additionally. Sub 15% is just not realistic for me in my current state without help.
I also will say that the whole “you should take gear blah blah blah because of your stats” is kind of dumb. I’m 38. Not 16. I don’t have years 10 years to get to some level before I take gear. I have been lifting for a long time and if you see my other posts can see I have an elite level of being in shape from when I was a little younger in my background (that I doubt you could have hung with).
Shouldn’t be so quick to judge based on weight and bf%. We all have different journeys, my friend.
Prepare to get roasted, good lord you have more diseases than a 80 year old …im not going to search for your old posts like you say… post up the best pic you have of yourself in last year. Lost a years worth of gains in two weeks huh, no you didn’t !!
I did get a chuckle out of this. The dude you responded to is a nationally ranked elite strongman. I’d imagine he could have at least gotten close to hanging with you.
I’m not roasting but this is just false. You will get very flat and definitely lose some strength, but it will come back very quickly once healthy with proper nutrition.
Thank you for your service. This is a highly respectable accomplishment.
Yup, you’re a grown ass man. While I agree with the prior posts, you can do what you want. I would think that giving your thyroid meds some time would be a wiser approach. I’ve never used Tren, but it can have some pretty negative sides and you are already someone with a few issues. I like your first idea better but I don’t give cycle advice due to liability, not a doctor, etc etc.
Fair enough on the losses. I seem to have lost about an inch on almost everything across the board. I am sure I’ll recover quickly however it certainly didn’t help. To know what I truly lost would be hard to determine.
Thanks for the comment about my services. Best thing I ever did with my life despite some of the challenges from it.
I have been on thyroid meds for about 2.5 months now, it was making a difference until I got sick. I was leaning out faster than I ever have. I always felt like I had to work twice as hard to get lean, now I know why. Despite that back in the day I was lean as hell and eating like a horse.
I know I don’t need Tren but I also want to dip my toe in the water. Do the low dose and see how I react. I am not charging into even with a 400mg dose let alone a 600mg+ dose like I see a lot of posts on many different boards. I also am approaching things as cautiously as possible by trying to educate myself on the topic that started this which was oral + tren…
Much appreciated. That’s where I’m coming from with the harsh criticism. I’m also 39 years old, so your age doesn’t exactly present a problem, to me.
And I’m just saying. If I was in your shape, I wouldn’t run what you’re proposing. EVEN with my own physique and level of competition, I’m not taking tren, and don’t see a need to. It’s just so much more than what is necessary to make massive improvements, given where you are right now. I think you’re underestimating how much benefit you can get out of a very moderate, test-only cycle, accompanied by hard work and good eating.
Getting more into the details: your health conditions make the tren even more concerning. Tren is FAR from a safe compound, my man. It can wreak havoc on your body. I’m also concerned by the fact that you’re doing more t4, plus the t3, than you were prescribed. That’s alarming. You’ve gotta put your health first. If you’re trying to treat your disease appropriately, you should be following your doctor’s advice. At the VERY least, I hope he knows what you’re taking. Otherwise, it will be nearly impossible for him to treat you to the best of his ability.
this is also something I strongly disagree with. 38 is NOT old, and you can make plenty of progress at this age, for a long time, without heavy cycles.
And I agree with this. You may be temporarily weak, but you didn’t lose a year’s worth of MUSCLE. Other factors like water retention and neural inefficiencies could be causing you to be lifting a lot less than you were, but it won’t take you a year to get back what you lost in 2 weeks. Most likely… 2-4 weeks and you’ll be back where you were. This has been my own experience when recovering from significant illness.
last thing:
huh? I don’t understand this. Vasectomy recovery takes… maybe 2-3 days? I was back in the gym 2 days after mine. A week would be on the cautious side. 6 weeks is just silly. That’s not a thing.
I appreciate it, man. Seriously I’ll rethink some things here. I have the Tbol and the Test already so I do plan on taking it. I loved Tbol from my past. Worked great for me.
The T3/ T4. They did get my dose already figured out with bloodwork so now I don’t retest for a year. So I have upped it now that it would help. Basically, I was looking at it as really only taking 100mcg T4 and 40mcg T3 because the rest was just getting me to normal levels. Which with normal conversion should put me around 65mcg T3 ish.
All your other points are solid. I was thinking about adding the tren mainly because I was like WTF I feel like I am back to February levels of progress which was shitty to think about.
The Vasectomy… IDK I was reading that you shouldn’t lift heavy for 4 weeks. The vasectomy is scheduled for 1 week from today (so 5 weeks with a month’s recovery included in that). I just didn’t want to fuck my shit up by lifting and then wasting a cycle or time. So I was being cautious.
I don’t really have a problem with the tbol either. I don’t love going over 5 or 6 weeks, but your plan is only minimally different from that. It clears your system fast enough that, if you had any issues, you could stop it immediately.
I guess I’m a little confused by this. Why are you trying to go above therapeutic levels in the first place? You have fucked up thyroid hormones. Why risk doing more damage, when you’re a) not doing it to compete in anything at a high level, and b) you’re not making an extreme cut? I just don’t see the point, other than feeling like you need a shortcut. And I feel it may allow you to be more relaxed on your diet than you should be. If all you’re trying to do is cut down to, say, 10% bodyfat, diet alone will be sufficient. Just something I personally wouldn’t play around with, given your situation.
Real life and gym life have ups and downs. I’ve had plenty of these. I’ve had serious injuries that removed me from the gym for extended periods, I’ve lost muscle, and I’ve always come back stronger. It’s fine if it takes some time. Patience will be rewarded.
I have a lot of friends who have had vasectomies, and as I said, I had one as well. It definitely didn’t put me down for long. I couldn’t feel it within 3 days of the surgery. I might not advise doing heavy leg work right after surgery, but that’s no big deal. You can certainly get back to moderate weight lifting within a week, and maybe wait 2-3 weeks for leg work if that makes you feel more comfortable. I can agree that squatting the first week after surgery would be risky.
Makes a lot more since to cruise while cutting, then when done cutting, do a mild short cycle, and the gains you lost are back in short order. Muscle memory is amazing, and a little gear makes it crazy.
I’m cutting right now. Just 145 mg/week test. When I get to the leanness I’m looking for, I’m thinking an 8 week cycle. Thinking test at around 400 and 20 mg of tbol Monday through Friday. If I can recover strength and muscle I lost, but not the fat, I’d be happy.
I am doing the exact same thing now after my Var cycle. I gained more fat than I wanted, so TRT for a 16 week cut then another Var cycle into the summer.
I used to be very worried about losing muscle when cutting and would run higher test or tren, or an oral, and other than the tren cycle I never felt like I got much out of it. You’re right, the muscle and strength comes back fairly quickly. On tren I was amazed how strong I still was while on low calories. I’ve been toying with the idea of adding it back in a small dose (75mg/week) just to keep that strength there