Ok so I’m 35 been lifting for about 15 years on and off. I’ve ran sust and tren years ago but didn’t eat right or train as hard as I should have. I’ve been lifting steady and eating as clean as I can been on test e 500/wk for 2 weeks and just jumped on tren ace at 25mg for the past 3 days. I would really appreciate it if you guys can help me get the most out of this cycle I want to lean out but possibly put on a little mass. Thanks guys
All diet. The Tren will help with that but seems like a small dose
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Should I up it to 50? I haven’t had any sides
More steroids = more gains. More steroids = more risk, especially with tren. For perspective, 300mg/week tren with 500mg/week test is a common dose to get the full effects of the steroids.
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Gotcha I’m gonna up it some
I mean… I think 75mg test 200mg primo works pretty well, can be run for a fair amount of time. Aside from dyslipidemia induced the cardiovascular risk associated with this pales in comparison to test + tren.
Won’t put much size on, but the aesthetic enhancement is very noticeable. What’s more, what one gains you actually keep.
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How much leaning out?
If you run a deficit of 300 kcals, you should recomp. So gain some muscle, lose more fat. If you go up to 500 kcals and above, then you are going to lose fat and not lose muscle until your 10% BF, after that it gets more difficult.
Id like to drop 20-30lbs but I doubt ill actually lose weight because of the compounds I’m on but if I could drop body fat that would be ideal. Being on 500/wk test e and 25mg tren ace ed would you consider this good doses for what I’m trying to accomplish? Thank you
Hey guys so I asked a similar question before but really didnt get a solid answer. Im trying to lean out and possible add some mass I’m running test e at 500mg/wk and tren ace 25mg ed is that good doses for what im trying to accomplish? I have previous anabolic experience but its been years I went natural for 5 years to give myself a break and now I’m ready to go hard again. Thanks guys!
I think your cycle would be a lot better if you cut first. Tren can do amazing things, but I am coming around to the idea that AAS should be used to build muscle (for most that is, if your a competitive athlete in strength sports or bodybuilding that may not apply).
I think you didn’t get a solid answer because there wasn’t enough info to give you one.
How lean are you right now?
How lean do you want to be?
How much muscle do you want to add?
My cookie cutter answer for “how much tren should I use?” is always “zero”, because if you’re asking the question in the first place then you’re not experienced enough with steroids to use tren.
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In theory yes, that setup would work fine for a recomp, which is what it seems you’re going for. But that’s a low dose of tren for the full recomp effect. The problem is I’m kind of anti-tren unless you’re at an elite level or a competitor. It’s just so harsh and the long term side effects are potentially bad in a way that most steroid users are not accustomed to thinking about. I mean, fucking brain damage is not usually on the menu for most bros. Heart problems when you’re 50? Yeah, most accept that as a possibility. But giving yourself dementia? That’s a bridge too far for most.
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Neurotoxicity may be universal to most/all AAS provided the dose is high enough. Some concerning data regarding subclinical cognitive deficits amongst users has arisen over the past decade or so
Dude educate yourself on tren, it’s very most likely not worthy.
You will be amazed at the lean bulk results obtainable from a low dose of tren. I am 8 weeks into a 12 week blast of 112mg tren E / week along with 300mg test. I am fairly small and lean, pre blast 58kg. Now sitting at 66kg, all lean gains, aiming for 70kg at the end. No matter what I ate and how I trained previously, I could not get weight to budge on my TRT dose of 200mg.
And the strengh gains are incredible. For example bench went from 75kg to almost 100kg 1RM.
There are pretty much no sides aside from sweats at this dose. And hugely painfull shin pumps, causing cardio to become an issue. Libido thru the roof.
I attribute the strengh and scale gains to the tren, I have previously experimented with mini blasts of test at 500mg / week and these were totally unremarkable in comparison. I must mention I chose the low dose of tren to hopefully minimise the neuro risks.
Are you like… 5 foot 1?
Right mate, of course. So the only, the ONLY thing in the world that prevented you from being a literal toothpick was Tren? The answer is never more drugs.
@unreal24278 167cm, google says that is 5.5 foot.
You have totally misconstrued the intention of my post. 112mg Tren a week is *LESS drugs. People are saying that the OPs dose is perhaps a waste of time. My story is mentioned to suggest otherwise, based on my experience. Not to have you flame away at my doings.
Nonetheless, to give you the reasoning, Winny and Masteron and other DHTs kill my joins, wrists, and also results in tendon pain. Dont want deca dick and EQ needs to be run high. High test did nothing except give sides. By the process of elimination and availabity where I reside, Tren was what was left. It certainly is working far better than I even hoped for, so no regrets whatsoever.
@gp2442 I am so sorry my post has caused your thread to get hijacked.
Yeah you’re right sorry about that. I’ve seen too many people who had no business taking drugs, still take them without research or care because they think they can fix everything with money and a quick thing
Also, two topics were merged, so lack of information and context in the second one 
This much weight I’d just do a cut, maybe TRT dose of test and then do a proper cycle when you’ve hit your goal weight. Trying to do both when you’ve got so much to lose will take forever and drive you mad
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