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Fair theories there MG.
Could very well be liver stress, I am getting liver enzymes checked so watch this space for that.

In regards to the Var, I discontinued it (havent taken any since morning) and I am already feeling better. Lethargy has gone down and headaches have disappeared. So we know who the culprit was.

Today I felt VERY bloated at the gym and the Tren cardio caught up with me, felt like my stomach was full of air even though it wasnt. Came home and popped 1mg of adex (around an hour ago) and I already feel less bloated. Simple solutions to very annoying problems, fucking rollercoaster I tell you.
Shooting for pro-card in the next 2 years.

SB

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Update: the tren has kicked in nicely. Looking much bigger and leaner at the same time, today I am very vascular.
Caber has arrived so I will be running that at 1mg a week, bloods are also done for kidney function, liver function, prolactin and oestrogen.

I took 0.5mg caber around midday alongside my Tren shot, fell asleep and woke up VERY lethargic. Was completely drained of energy, I attribute that to the Tren shot most probably so I will move it to night time before bed and monitor energy levels.

Also the Tren left me with low libido so I have switched the dose to 60mg ED alongside 750mg Test E. Yes I know the test is higher now but lets see how it goes. So far this cycle has been mild in mental sides compared to my last Tren cycle so fingers crossed, no Alpha Male feeling or euphoria but nice muscle growth. Should the lethargy not subside in a week I will reluctantly drop the Tren completely and just run Test.

SB

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Very interresting singhā€™ !

The first day with 540 tren/wk with 150 test E/week, felt VERY energic, ā€œAlpha Maleā€ like you said, and agression was almost uncontrolable. Apetite was incredibly high, as was libido, incredible recoveryā€¦ But after that started to had bad sleep, and it decreased all these effects. Felt lethargic in the afternoon, poor motivation, lasting so long at bed that it became a problem (but no tren dick at all)ā€¦ Headaches started to kick in around week 4 or 5, almost twice a day, cardio was shit, sleep was shit, so blamed high blood pressure (high BP killes sleep, which killed libido, lethargyā€¦ and bad sleep is worst for BP so it continuesā€¦). But strenght was incredible, nice dry muscle gains, but weight started to plateau since two weeks.

Then at week 6 increased my protein intake to roughly 300g of animal source (without compting the others), decreased kcal from 5000 to 3500 a day and increased foods rich in potassium.
Headaches disappeared almost instantly, slept again like a baby, libido comes back, vascularity increased, agression came backā€¦ And bodyweight started to go back up while eating 1500kcal a day less than before.

I think tren allows your body to use way more proteins.

Iā€™ll look at your posts, continue like that ! I think BP is THE thing that does everything nasty while taking tren, try to take a lot of potassium and reduce sodium as you can. Iā€™ll be interresed to see what it does to you too !

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I have discontinued the Tren unfortunately. The lethargy was just too much I could not handle it. And also libido had crashed, the best way to describe it is i LOOKED like i was on cycle, but didnt FEEL like i was.

I am now running a gram of test E with 40mg Tbol ED and see where this takes me. Its such a shame with the Tren, i love Tren but its just too much to handle even with low test.
So far i still have the lethargy so maybe its not the Tren after all? Im gutted i had to discontinue it when it had just kicked in.

Like pass T has said, the headaches last all day for me too. I just felt like shit on the Tren, but for some reason i feel it wasnt attributed to the Tren.

SB

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man you always seem to suffer really badly from sides. I feel for you SB

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I appreciate your concern rds, thanks.
The ironic thing is I grow like a weed on AAS and i see people using triple doses of mine and hardly grow much. If only the sides would just fuckk off.

SB

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You have maybe done the right thing ! I do feel exactly the same thing. You HAVE a very high libido, agression, confidenceā€¦ but you donā€™t FEEL it like with test. Itā€™s very special and I donā€™t like it too.

I heard people feel like shit on 1g of test too, what are your experiences with that SB?

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[quote]PassT wrote:
You have maybe done the right thing ! I do feel exactly the same thing. You HAVE a very high libido, agression, confidenceā€¦ but you donā€™t FEEL it like with test. Itā€™s very special and I donā€™t like it too.

I heard people feel like shit on 1g of test too, what are your experiences with that SB? [/quote]

I am a successful guinea pig :slight_smile:
I pinpointed my sides to high E. Yesterday my lethargy was too much to bare so I narrowed it down to either Thyroid, E2, Prolactin or just too much gear.

So I figured I will start with E2, I took 1.5mg adex, woke up this morning with a rejuvinated attitude.
Libido is back with a vengeance (yes in 24 hours), aggression has been cut by half and now is what I call Alpha Male aggression not Bitch aggression.
I HIGHLY doubt this is placebo, I just think my E was out of control. Today I truely feel great.

An update in regards to the cycle, I have maintained my weight and getting leaner and vascular everyday. I estimate I have dropped around 3% BF, yes that is a shit load of fat but like I said I grow very well.

SB

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so now youā€™ve got the E under control are you going to keep running the tren?

Tren sounds like a bad mother fucker. Weird question for you: losing much hair?

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Heres a pic of me in good lighting. Not really putting it up for critique, just to show you guys progress etc.

Currently im not that heavy, maybe 220lbs if that, MAYBE.
This is 2 weeks on cycle after 3 months off from training.

I tore my left Trap so have been bed-ridden since I have been back from holiday and been gym like twice. Lets pray I fixup sharpish.

SB

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:
so now youā€™ve got the E under control are you going to keep running the tren?

Tren sounds like a bad mother fucker. Weird question for you: losing much hair?[/quote]

No I think I will let the Tren sleep for a while.
Erm nope no hair loss that I can report, hair gain maybe yes.

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I have discontinued the Tren unfortunately. The lethargy was just too much I could not handle it. And also libido had crashed, the best way to describe it is i LOOKED like i was on cycle, but didnt FEEL like i was.

I am now running a gram of test E with 40mg Tbol ED and see where this takes me. Its such a shame with the Tren, i love Tren but its just too much to handle even with low test.
So far i still have the lethargy so maybe its not the Tren after all? Im gutted i had to discontinue it when it had just kicked in.

Like pass T has said, the headaches last all day for me too. I just felt like shit on the Tren, but for some reason i feel it wasnt attributed to the Tren.

SB[/quote]

You were running too much test. 325 a week is not an HRT dose. And your sides did seem to kick in after the test would have built up in your system. You should run tren with 150mg a week of test maximum IMO unless you know otherwise that you can take more test through experience. You should give the t3 a shot again, that shit solved all my lethargy problems so cheers to you for that lol.

Also, donā€™t keep throwing in compounds all the time and changing around. Stick to a basic stack and fiddle it till you get the dosages just right for you so you can train properly. You will be able to run tren side effect free Iā€™m almost certain if you persevere.

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Glad I could help you mate.
In regards to the tren, do you feel the euphoria that you from test? I did no feel it.
I believe Tren should be kept strictly as a muscle builder, you should not expect to feel the same way you do on test.
I am just speaking from experience however the science maybe different although there is not much science surrounding a healthy dose of test whilst using monsterous doses of a non-human drug lol.

I did actually start the test 4 weeks before the tren, so it had plenty of time to kick in. I am due to go on an orgy-centred holiday soon so in all honesty I am looking for all the euphoria at the moment. Once I am back with a sore penis I may consider the Tren again.

What dose of t3 are you running? I saw Bill Roberts recommend 12.5mcg a day to keep a healthy profile. Be careful with the t3, it will strip everything off you even with androgens.

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Glad I could help you mate.
In regards to the tren, do you feel the euphoria that you from test? I did no feel it.
I believe Tren should be kept strictly as a muscle builder, you should not expect to feel the same way you do on test.
I am just speaking from experience however the science maybe different although there is not much science surrounding a healthy dose of test whilst using monsterous doses of a non-human drug lol.

I did actually start the test 4 weeks before the tren, so it had plenty of time to kick in. I am due to go on an orgy-centred holiday soon so in all honesty I am looking for all the euphoria at the moment. Once I am back with a sore penis I may consider the Tren again.

What dose of t3 are you running? I saw Bill Roberts recommend 12.5mcg a day to keep a healthy profile. Be careful with the t3, it will strip everything off you even with androgens.

SB[/quote]

Maybe proviron would be a good idea for increased sexual performance as well as cabergoline?

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I was using cabergoline. Makes me feel like shit.

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Glad I could help you mate.
In regards to the tren, do you feel the euphoria that you from test? I did no feel it.
I believe Tren should be kept strictly as a muscle builder, you should not expect to feel the same way you do on test.
I am just speaking from experience however the science maybe different although there is not much science surrounding a healthy dose of test whilst using monsterous doses of a non-human drug lol.

I did actually start the test 4 weeks before the tren, so it had plenty of time to kick in. I am due to go on an orgy-centred holiday soon so in all honesty I am looking for all the euphoria at the moment. Once I am back with a sore penis I may consider the Tren again.

What dose of t3 are you running? I saw Bill Roberts recommend 12.5mcg a day to keep a healthy profile. Be careful with the t3, it will strip everything off you even with androgens.

SB[/quote]

Without the HRT dose of test, I get some aggression from tren, but nowhere near what it is with the test in there. If I overdo the test, with a high ish dose of tren, I feel like utter shit, depressed as fuck and sweating like a bitch.

There is definately a sweet spot with the test, and with me its no more than 175mg of enanthate or equivalent test weight wise of prop or acetate. I tried a three week run of t3 starting at 12.5mcg going up to 75mcg. 25-50mcg is about the sweet spot where I got the most benefit. Iā€™d say I flattened out a bit but I definately didnā€™t lose any muscle. 75 was way too much and I got some major side effects from it so I wonā€™t ever be going over 50 again lol.

As an aside, the most ridiculous libido Iā€™ve ever had from a cycle was running a gram of test with only nolva as the anti e and no AI. That sent me frigging loopy sex wise, completely different to running an AI. I also bloated like the michelin man lol.

Orgy holiday mate?? Where you going!

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Haha im going Thailand and Turkey mate :wink: going to need my function for that holiday!

In regards to your tren useage, how is your libido? Alpha Male attitude?
I ask this because these are the probs i have had.

You t3 dose is interesting, i am going to follow your results MG.
Are leaning up more with the t3? What sides are these you speak of?

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Haha im going Thailand and Turkey mate :wink: going to need my function for that holiday!

In regards to your tren useage, how is your libido? Alpha Male attitude?
I ask this because these are the probs i have had.

You t3 dose is interesting, i am going to follow your results MG.
Are leaning up more with the t3? What sides are these you speak of?

SB[/quote]

Thailand? Its gonna be a non stop poon tang fest lol.

As long as Iā€™ve not used too much, tren definately enhances my libido, and with test dosed right it makes me aggressive as hell, definately has that Alpha Male feel to it and I find its different from test. With test its like a calm feeling of supreme confidence but with tren its similar but feels more aggressive than calm.

As for the t3, I have leaned up some but was eating like a horse when on it. The main effect I noticed was a very quick few extra pounds on the scale with less bodyfat so it definately does the trick. I will almost certainly be including it in all future cycles.

As for the OD sides, I got some scary heart palpitations, anxiety, and my thyroid gland swelled up at the back of my throat so I felt like I was ill all the time. The heart stuff was the worst part, at one point I thought my heart was skipping beats.

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SB, have you considered NPP at all?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Haha im going Thailand and Turkey mate :wink: going to need my function for that holiday!

In regards to your tren useage, how is your libido? Alpha Male attitude?
I ask this because these are the probs i have had.

You t3 dose is interesting, i am going to follow your results MG.
Are leaning up more with the t3? What sides are these you speak of?

SB[/quote]

Thailand? Its gonna be a non stop poon tang fest lol.

As long as Iā€™ve not used too much, tren definately enhances my libido, and with test dosed right it makes me aggressive as hell, definately has that Alpha Male feel to it and I find its different from test. With test its like a calm feeling of supreme confidence but with tren its similar but feels more aggressive than calm.

As for the t3, I have leaned up some but was eating like a horse when on it. The main effect I noticed was a very quick few extra pounds on the scale with less bodyfat so it definately does the trick. I will almost certainly be including it in all future cycles.

As for the OD sides, I got some scary heart palpitations, anxiety, and my thyroid gland swelled up at the back of my throat so I felt like I was ill all the time. The heart stuff was the worst part, at one point I thought my heart was skipping beats.
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Haha sure will.
I know exactly what you mean by the difference in aggression with Tren compared to Test. Sometimes though I suppose we have to step out of our shoes and actually look at our situation from a health perspective.
I know most of us here are pro-steroid, but we cannot deny that they do have their health consequences (and benefits). Yes we love these drugs that are fairly safe if used correctly but you cannot ignore your own side effects. Ive seen people with with crazy acne, kidney pain, gynecomastia etc.
So anyway just a little lesson there for newbies, side effects are real and dont think side effects from drugs can be cured with more drugs.

Your T3 sides scare me, although I have not experienced those from T3, I have experienced similar from Clen (the devils drug). I may take a back seat from T3 and shred up naturally.

On a different note, my liver values and kidney function tests will be coming through soon so watch for those. We will be able to put the myth of Anavar toxicity to rest as I was on 100mg when I had the bloods done. I was also on high Tren low Test so we will also see how that impacted my levels.

SB