How RDS Got His Groove Back

(inb4 cool story bro)

I debated whether or not to make this thread, as it’s a little embarrassing, but fuck it, if it can help someone who was in my situation then I’ll consider it worth it.

So at the end of last year, I did my second ever cycle. I figured I’d try NPP, despite the horror stories I’d heard about the dreaded Deca shutdown. My cycle was ~600mg T and 350mg NPP a week.

I had all the ancillaries on hand but like a tool I didn’t use them. I had caber, and I used it like twice on cycle but I didn’t seem to be showing signs of the dreaded deca dick so I didn’t bother. I was also trying to see how low I could get away with running my aromasin, and I got down to running it so low that for the last month or so I just didn’t bother. I had no bloat, no gyno, so I figured why bother?

Then PCT hit me like a fucking hammer to the balls. My libido vanished. I mean completely. There was no erectile dysfunction; I could get it up just fine, problem was I just had no desire to whatsoever.

I figured it was just PCT crash which was to be expected after using such a suppressive compound so I didn’t worry too much about it, thinking it would just get better. Thankfully, I have a very understanding girl in my life so it didn’t cause any arguments.

Two months after PCT, still nothing. I was worried, so I went and got blood tests. I got my total T, free T, E, LH and FSH tested, but forgot to ask them to check my prolactin. This would turn out to be a HUGE mistake.

Results came back, T was fine (was actually above range for free and total) and so was E. This confused me, as I thought that my problem was low T/high E, and was all set to do another PCT with an AI thrown in for good measure.

At this point I was seriously fucking worried. After talking to Balla and KSman (two of the most stand up dudes on the fucking planet) I stopped taking the AI and quit the SERMs (had only been back on the SERMs for a day or two anyway).

It was just after this happened that I decided, on a whim, to give my nipple a good squeeze, just in case…

…Success! Of sorts. I was fucking lactating. Not like a big ole squirt like from an udder, but a tiny bit of clear liquid. I had finally identified the problem - fucking prolactin! The one thing I didn’t get fucking checked. I went and showed my girlfriend and she just shook her head and said “You’re not like other boys, are you?”

But I wasn’t out of the woods yet. I started on the caber I had bought from a research company, and used it for like 3 weeks with no results. As it turns out, the company I bought it from has a reputation of selling cialis instead of caber (you’ll probably know who I’m talking about) so I threw out that shitty research caber and got me some pharm grade. I also got me some selegiline.

So my schedule was .5mg of caber 2x a week, with a .5mg ed for the first 4 days as a frontload; and 5mg of selegiline eod, with a 10mg ed for the first week frontload.

It still took like 3 weeks for it to work. From what I’ve read, most people find caber restores their libido pretty much instantly. My prolactin must’ve been up in the quadruple digits!

But the good news? My libido is back like a motherfucker now! I swear I’ve jacked it more times in the last week than I did in my entire teenage years.

TL:DR

-just because you’re not showing symptoms, do NOT stop taking your ancillaries
-make sure you get everything tested if you get blood work
-research chems are shit. Get yourself pharm grade everything. The difference is night and day.
-you have never known gross until you see yourself lactating. In a weird way I’m actually kinda proud. Not everyone gets to experience it.

and the most important point I can make here is that if you find yourself in a similar situation: relax! Yes, it sucks, but you can fix it. It just takes time, patience and the right drugs. Your libido WILL come back, take it from me, and believe me there was a good long time when I was worried that it never would.

This should be added to the stickies! Thanks for posting.

[quote]GoCal wrote:
This should be added to the stickies! Thanks for posting.[/quote]
Yep good info,glad things are getting back on track.

RDS

You and I are lactating brothers.

I lactated from a recent deca and test cycle. Fucking gross lol.
I’m currently on letro to get rid of the lump under my left nip. But my Dick is still hard as nails lol. You think caber will help with the gyno? Or will letro suffice?

RDS,

Glad your mojo is back. You should write for Time Life as this was a good informative read as well as entertaining. I really enjoyed the " big ole squirt like an udder" part.

Good news man! After reading about your libido issues during my tren cycle I chose to run the test 4 weeks longer after my last pin of tren. I do feel it helped, no libido issues what so ever, in my last week of pct and feel great and fuckin like a mad man

thanks guys

Ironman, as I understand it, letro is no good for prolactin gyno, so yeah man I’d definitely get some caber. I could be wrong about that though…

[quote]BUDs wrote:
Good news man! After reading about your libido issues during my tren cycle I chose to run the test 4 weeks longer after my last pin of tren. I do feel it helped, no libido issues what so ever, in my last week of pct and feel great and fuckin like a mad man[/quote]
I too always stop Tren before the end of the cycle. And it really helps in recovery but it sucks as I already feel off. Damn Tren is powerful, even at minimal doses.

I never “felt” I got prolactin issues, but even thought I liked your story RDS, how the hell is one supposed to get pharm grade products?

You should stretch this out for T-Nation article, good stuff

[quote]SwD wrote:
I never “felt” I got prolactin issues, but even thought I liked your story RDS, how the hell is one supposed to get pharm grade products? [/quote]

move to the UK :wink:

[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
You should stretch this out for T-Nation article, good stuff[/quote]

heh, as much as I’d love to be a T-Nation author, I’m not sure they’d go for it

Cool story bro…

Im glad everything worked out for you man, I will never touch 19-nors ever again. They say Tren is sent by the gods, I think its actually come straight from hell like the worlds most attractive woman with HIV.

SB

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Cool story bro… [/quote]

lol, someone was bound to say it eventually

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Im glad everything worked out for you man, I will never touch 19-nors ever again. They say Tren is sent by the gods, I think its actually come straight from hell like the worlds most attractive woman with HIV.

SB[/quote]

yeah it was a worrying time, but I’m over it now. I’m done with 19-nors too. I’ve heard that tren isn’t as bad as Deca but it’s not worth the risk for me. I’m a high dose test + cheeky oral guy from now on. Might experiment with mast or EQ but meh, I don’t think I’ll need to.

It’s a damn shame to be honest, I really wanted to give tren a run but frankly I don’t think my girl would stick around if I had to go through all this again. I sure as hell wouldn’t.

Tren is amazing in terms of gains dont get me wrong, but honestly its not worth the headfuck. However, you may be one of those guys (like Massiveguns) that reacts really well to Tren. But I think your decision not to use it is a wise one mate.

SB

it really wasn’t much of a decision at all. No amount of gains is worth the massive headfuck of having your hormones all fucked up for months.

I know guys that run all sorts of ridiculous doses of deca and tren, sometimes together, and they don’t give a shit about their E or their prolactin. They never use AIs or DAs. They come off, do a weaksauce PCT and then just jump back on without ever having any negative effects.

Unfortunately, I’m not one of those guys.

I can say Tren has never given me any of these kinds of issue. Well just one time I had some issues ON cycle, but it ended after I stopped. I wouldn’t touch Deca though. I mean, why even bother?

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
it really wasn’t much of a decision at all. No amount of gains is worth the massive headfuck of having your hormones all fucked up for months.

I know guys that run all sorts of ridiculous doses of deca and tren, sometimes together, and they don’t give a shit about their E or their prolactin. They never use AIs or DAs. They come off, do a weaksauce PCT and then just jump back on without ever having any negative effects.

Unfortunately, I’m not one of those guys.[/quote]

Agreed, I am not one of those guys either. I can attest to the months of headfuck from tren, I had out-of-range elevated levels of prolactin 8 months post-tren ace useage, yes EIGHT months.

And I also know guys of which you talk about, I think alot of the times side effects are related to how much you read and know what side effects are ‘expected’. The ones oblivious to the sides of tren usually do not see any sides (or make no connection between sides and tren).

SB

[quote]SwD wrote:
I can say Tren has never given me any of these kinds of issue. Well just one time I had some issues ON cycle, but it ended after I stopped. I wouldn’t touch Deca though. I mean, why even bother?[/quote]

What if your dick is overactive and you want to kill it? Deca could be used for this.

SB

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]SwD wrote:
I can say Tren has never given me any of these kinds of issue. Well just one time I had some issues ON cycle, but it ended after I stopped. I wouldn’t touch Deca though. I mean, why even bother?[/quote]

What if your dick is overactive and you want to kill it? Deca could be used for this.

SB[/quote]

This could be useful considering my dick gets me in trouble fairly often, lol

[quote]tattoo’d’popeye wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]SwD wrote:
I can say Tren has never given me any of these kinds of issue. Well just one time I had some issues ON cycle, but it ended after I stopped. I wouldn’t touch Deca though. I mean, why even bother?[/quote]

What if your dick is overactive and you want to kill it? Deca could be used for this.

SB[/quote]

This could be useful considering my dick gets me in trouble fairly often, lol[/quote]

But would you rather not get in trouble and have leaky nips or just stay in trouble? :wink:
I know which one I would choose.

SB