I’ve been on 300 mg of tren Ace for 2 weeks now (100 every mon wed fri) and haven’t had any sides yet. Is it too soon or is my gear bonkers?
Most short esters like that will start showing about now. If you haven’t seen anything yet I wouldn’t jump to conclusions too early.
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Why?
Normal people dont get much side effects. In fact, the whole horror of steroids is mostly a problem born because of internet.
When i was a kid, doing dbol only, deca only, deca and dbol was the only known cycles…stuff thats now considered horrible. We all did it, no one had any problems. I didnt even know whats an AI 5 years ago. My e2 was 300 when normal level is up to 30. I had no idea thats smth one needs to check and i had no sides.
Nowdays people swallow pills cuz their e2 is up 10% and they get “sides” cuz they read about them.
Outside the internet and a few rare cases, no one gets much side effects from anything. I havent gotten any ever. Just some tiny ones signalling that the drug is real, but nothing worth mentioning. Thats why i said you can use normal doses. Reading about stuff online before you have done the thing, is pretty bad - the paranoia about everything is just crazy online. Outside in the real world, not many people report any negatives of steroids.
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I figured. My buddy takes it and said by week 2 he’s noticed, but even when I took test it took about 3 cycles to start getting sensitive nipples or anything. I was wondering if it’s not going in all the way because I’m using a 1in needle however i don’t have a lot of fat so it’s not like it isn’t hitting the muscle. I feel like im getting stronger and more defined honestly but then again it’s hard to tell when you see yourself every single day. I actually feel more positive mentally since I’ve been taking it… it’s hard to have psychological effects when the military made you a nut if you catch my drift.
Even if u hit it in the fat or under the skin, it still gets absorbed.
A good sign of tren is that you might get a caugh after an injection but that also doesnt happen to everyone. Some get night sweats - i get those super rare and only if i eat a lot of junk food.
Basically, i dont think there is a side effect of any steroid, that is 100% there, every time for everyone.
300mgs is a small dose. If you have been training for a while and have done other cycles, 300mgs wont be anything super.
Tren is not stronger than anything else - its just different in its own way, but so is deca and so is EQ, and so is anavar and every other drug.
If in 2-3 weeks more you dont notice much, just up the dose. Id say 500mgs is the least tren ace thats worth doing for someone who is not a beginner.
Me, for example, i was on 250mgs of test for a year. Then i jumped on 1g of test and 700mgs of tren and… u know what? NOTHING changed in how i feel or anything. The tren look kicked in on the go, but no sides, no super magic effects, my dick didnt fall off, in fact i think if i wouldnt inject it myself i would never be able to tell that i came off the cruise, lol
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The biggest side effect was increased muscle size and strength. Could definitely cause a clothing problem if left uncorrected.
But seriously, Hank is stating what I saw.
FWIW I ran my first cycles at 19 … way too young. Deca, dbol and test were my go to. I had no issues. Now in my 40s and I can’t even look a nandrolone without my libido tanking. I think the aged body definitely can’t handle what a younger one can. This is also in direct conflict with my thoughts that nobody is mature enough as a late teenager or early 20 something to decide about anabolics. Oh well… do as I say not as I do right?
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2 weeks, it’s coming … or you have shit gear. One way to find out …
I don’t think that presence of adverse effects is a good monitor of quality. You could take a load of estrogen and get a shit load of negative effects along with weight gain, and it wouldn’t be proof of quality AAS usage. Additionally some people, during some phases, and others with effective use of ancillaries, will minimally suffer adverse effects using a quality product. The absence of sides is no marker of presence of desired hormone.
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In general, I agree. But he’s taking Tren Ace, in a fair amount too, so to the OP’s question, I think he’d be feeling something, good and bad, by now. But in the grand scheme of AAS use, I agree with you.
I’m starting week four today, might get with my supplier and try to get two new bottles just to see if there’s a difference. Could I just run Ace for a total of 12 weeks?
Was going to contact my “doctor“ and try and get two new vials of ace. Could I just run that for 12 weeks total? I know they see Ace usually from what I’ve been reading is about eight weeks but I was going to run my testosterone for 12 weeks and I wanted to match it. On week four starting today, still no side effects other than maybe my cardio vascular (breathing) has gotten worse I would say lol. I’m thinking because the gear was a little bit older it might’ve lost its potency I think I’ve gained like 5 pounds in the last three weeks going for blood later this week.
Hank!!! Question.
Do I need to use hcg?
The Tren A and Test E is great.
Currently at 300 a week Of Tren A and 500 of test E. On week 5 currently thinking about doing 12 weeks total and upping the tren maybe 100 starting week 6 to see what happens?
I have arimidex, not sure what dosage to do. Nipples are a little sensitive. Maybe I’m a bitch who knows.
Sorry, I dont know as i am super against cycling. I believe its a mistake and i havent made one for more than 12 years. I am on bnc and there for i use hcg once every 2 weeks for cosmetic benefits of balls hanging somewhat normally. But i have no idea what to do at all when cycling as the concept is like 45 years old, it was a bad one, and i havent followed the latest updates on it.
bro I’ve shot a 2000mg vial on tren e over a span of almost 2 months (each time I had a 1ml of test in it) but it never gave me the slightest cough I’ve been thinking if it was bunk or not, never felt any sides at all either
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Im not saying its a must have side. It’s just good to experience it to know. On ace i get it a lot. On enanthate almost never. But a few times here and there. I dont run such short blasts as two months tho, so i might get a cough maybe once every 3-5 months.
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I am currently on 300 a week of ace, but I’m switching to 400 a week of ethante from my last 4 to 5 weeks. I finally started getting night sweats after week five, a little acne here and there, but nothing crazy. Nips are getting sensitive that’s just the test I think.
I want to blast for like 7-8 months straight but I’m afraid I’ll be pumping that much gear and putting stress on my body to get mid gains while I could be blasting for 3 months with 2 month of trt in between
I get most of the gains in the first 2 months anyways
I blast to regain my mass (lost 10kg of muscle during pandemic) and this next blast is going to be my 3rd blast ( I’m halfway there at 80kg, 1,75m) do you think I’m better off doing one big blast all the way to the finish line for like the better half of a year or do 2 separete 3 month blasts with a 2 month break for my body in between ?
Nah man, you just regain what you lost going off the blast. If you are on true TRT, you are losing some blast gains, so when you start to blast the first 2 months are spent on regaining that + some additional water and glycogen.
Now, after those 2 months is when NEW tissue can finally be gained, if you up the calories.
There is no reason why you wouldnt gain weight every week for a year straight, if food is calculated right, enough rest, and your thyroid and insulin sensitivity is healthy.
My opinions on this forum differ from others, then again, i am also bigger than those who at least share their pics, so… idk, do what you will with it, but…
i believe that it takes a lot of time to build new tissue for a person who is already developed. I also believe it takes at least 4-5 weeks for your body to fully adapt to the new blast regimen and bulk calories, and increased training intensity.
Its not only that the drugs need to build up, its also that, for example, when i start a new program, or a new intensity method, it takes me a few weeks to learn the exercises and to learn to really strain in a specific rep range.
I always say to people that the first 3 weeks on a new program are mostly a waste because the first week you have no clue what weights to pick, so the reps are all over the place. The next week you pick better weights, but since its all new, the 3rd and 4th week you probably can add weight or reps every training easy because of neurological adaptation which means that all of this did very little for your muscles.
Take me for example. I got a coach, i started a blast and a new program. It took me a month to send in vids of all exercises and get the tempo and the technique right. It took me total of 2 months to go from 4500kcal a day to 7500kcal a day which apparently is an absolute minimum for me to gain anything, and now it looks like i have some sort of insulin resistance, which, together with a slightly overactive thyroid is the reason why i need so much food.
Even tho my case is an extreme and complicated one it still kinda lets you have a look in how little those 2 month cycles are. And its not like i will blow up in next 4 weeks.
So even if everything goes perfect, the first 4 weeks are adaptation to new training, new drugs, new amounts of food.
And after that, how much are you planning to gain? Id say 10lbs of lean muscle is the minimum amount that could be really noticed. So thats like what… 20lbs of weight with water and glycogen and fat. Id say, the best case scenarion is a pound a week. So its 4 weeks adaptation and buildup, and 20 weeks of blast if everything goes perfect, which it usually does not. So its probably closer to 30 weeks total to be safe.
Now, after that you are bigger but also a bit soft probably… You wont drop to TRT and cut. You also dont wanna walk around like that. So you probably change the drugs and do a cutty-cut for like 8-10weeks losing around a pound a week and end up with nice lean 10lbs left on you.
So that is like 40 weeks. Now you can do your trt for the rest of the year and start the process again.
I just dont see how the math can be any different. Im not saying that this is the healthiest or safest way. But i think that the healthiest way is to not do this at all.
But at least in my scenario, you improve and gain something. Doing this 3 on 2 off stuff means that not only your are not gaining shit for almost half the year, you are also just adapting to stuff 1/3rd of your time on. Which means that you are only 2months actually ON, and 3 months not gaining shit or just re-gaining what was already there. So when you look at it, you just dont have enough time to gain anything that can be actually seen.
That is why there are so many topics and posts and smartasses here, but almost no pics of the results of their blasts. Everyone cycles or blasts, but no one comes back after their 3 months bullshit with pics. Why? Well, cause you cant see any changes in the pics, so they dont post em.
I think that the devil is in the total dose and the time on. If you take breaks you also make less progress which just means you will have to do this on/off thing twice as long, but at the end you will end up being ON anyway just as much time. Only the progress is slower and who wants that?
Also, its not science and im not a doctor, but i do believe that human body adapts to stuff, and huge fluctuations are harmful.
I think that after 2-3 months on, your body adapts to the drugs and when you continue its not as harsh. Now when you jerk it around with on/off regimen, it is always in a stress - too much stuff , or not enough stuff, hormones all over the place, etc.
One thing is for sure… no matter which option you will do, if you care about health, you will do cardio, monitor your BP, check for cholesterol.
And not only monitor, but also FIX stuff. You would get some ARB meds or smth that prevents hearth hypertrophy, you would take a statin to prevent arthery clogging and probably take aspirin also. You would also do hearth and organ imaging once a year or once every 2 years to see if shit is not growing in the wrong places.
No one has died because of a 1 year blast. Now people who have died, died probably because they did 15 one year blasts and didnt monitor shit. Because arthery clogging and LVH is actually visually noticable in checkups, if you do them.