Trap Imbalance! Looks Like Traps Are Shifted to One Side

Bigger Stronger Leaner
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I think both of you (Pg and Jarvan) are right in a way… I know im new and have very little knowledge in all this and i know that a few pics on the internet cannot give u a full and definite analysis in my problem because it might not even be a problem at all and it may just be the able of the pic or how im standing but i do notice it and do not want my small problem to get worse… its algood right now but when i start feeling pain or the imbalance gets too noticeable, it will be harder and take longer for me to fix it so i rather try and fix it now than later. I made this post to try and see if anyone had any solutions before i go see a chiro or physio (cos i have never been my entire life lol hardly get injured and a play a contact sport too) cos i dont k ow how much it costs to fo see one in New Zealand…

But thanks for your help, will keep ur advice in mind.

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Sounds good. You shouldn’t see a physiotherapist. They moreso deal with injured patients, whereas Chiropractors are doctors that specialize in the spine. A physio would refer you to a chiro anyway. A simple check up with a chiro won’t cost too much, and he/she will be able to assess your situation fairly quickly. From there you guys can speak of future treatment options if need be. Good luck!

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‘Doctors’ :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy: Thanks for making my day.

OP. my advice still stands. If you’re worried get yourself to a healthcare professional. You cannot be accurately assessed by a few online photos.

I’m out of here.

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Jarvan, dude, I was speaking to you not OP in this instance. For all any body on this forum knows OP might have something as simple as a leg length discrepancy leading to the slight scoliosis.

You cannot assess somebody online; you cannot assess somebody without taking a detailed history or without performing a physical assessment.

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Hey TrevorLPT.
From your username I gather you’re a physiotherapist/physical therapist?

If not what is your profession? I only ask out of interest because what you said sounds interesting and I’d like to read up on it for some CPD and general swatting up (so I’m awesome when I go for interview for an MSK outpatients role)

I’ve had a brief glimpse of an ‘anatomy trains’ text book whilst on a placement and it seems like this would link in to your way of thinking (in this case).

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It’s a real bummer than anyone who “works with this kind of thing in their profession” would find the words I used big or intimidating.

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Excellent; I’ve actually heard of that via a few Eric Cresey articles and it’s seems like pretty interesting stuff.

I’m always looking for new modes of practice to incorporate into my toolbox so thanks for the heads up and I’m going to have a deeper dig on the subject!

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No one actually says acetabular, even femoral. That would make conferences much, much longer, not to mention hard for most of the general population to understand. It’s much easier to say external/internal rotation of the femur… Maybe when we speak of degenerative diseases in the joints, it’s proper, but the only people I know that speak like that are new personal trainers fresh off their cscs. Or maybe someone studying for their anatomy and physiology class.

But while we’re on the topic, how did you deduce that his right leg is internally rotated?

And also, how did you manage to squeeze in situs inversus?lol
Don’t want to discourage you from practicing, just interesting how you reached for that.

And pgtips, you can prospect many things from pictures. But if your jimmies are still rustled, re read where I said it’s ideal to have them in person. With that said, I’m just glad you are speaking normally now.

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Sorry ‘doc’ :wink:

It’s not just ideal to have the patient in person. It is essential. If you can’t grasp the concept and importance of taking a thourough subjective/medical history before even thinking of objectively assessing a patient I am very worried for your patients well being and the well being of your insurers bank accounts.

OP has no obvious problem. Why treat a person who has no problem? That’s like giving somebody with perfect bloods and a squeaky clean vascular system a prescription for Atorvastatin…

Now, conversely in the right context, assessing and treating asymptomatics is warranted; If I was dealing with an asymptomatic high level athlete )a career athlete) with noticeable and exaggerated sport related asymmetries, I 100% agree with a global assessment of function (spinal and peripheral) and the implementation of appropriate prehabilitation to bring greater functional balance to what will likely be a permanently imbalanced body structure; albeit imbalances that finely tune that body to said sport.

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Perhaps you have a fleeting idea of what ideal means.
Nothing’s being treated. OP is going for a checkup. At most he might get adjusted.
OP is human like any athlete. Doesn’t mean that they have different muscles.
And look into using that word asymptomatic. It’s being used in the wrong context.

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Adjusted… That says it all.

I have been using ‘asymptomatic’ in the context you have created seeing as you wish to pathologise the OP. I have nothing further to add.

I’m going to stop biting now.

Auf wiedersehen, pet.

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All normal humans have their femur attached to the acetabulum via the acetabulofemoral joint. The distal, medial and the superior region of the femur do not rotate independently of each other. Also, the distal part of the femur is attached to a synovial joint, which does not rotate, but only hinges. Hence, mentioning ‘acetabular’ for an ext/int rotation of the leg is moot. On the other hand, it is proper when speaking of impingement or other degenerative diseases as I’ve mentioned before.

What my question is, how did you deduce that the OP had internal/ext rotation on either leg?

“Someone in his position will “favor” their right hip over their left, not vice versa. More specifically, they will be in a state of acetabular femoral internal rotation on their right and external rotation on their left. The pelvis would also expected to be abducted and rotated to the right.”

We were speaking of his spine shape until you threw this curveball… And just wanna point out that if someone did have internal rotation on their right leg, and ext rotation on the left, that it’s more likely that the pelvis be rotated to the left, due to an inactive/inhibited piriformis on the right hip and overactive glute and piriformis on the left.

“Again, the distinction between AF and FA internal rotation is relevant.”

What is the distinction?

“I did not “squeeze it in.” You can expect all anatomically normal humans to favor stance on their right leg because it provides support for their larger, stronger, better-positioned right diaphragm. In cases of situs inversus, this is swapped so you can expect them to favor their left.”

This is quite strange because I personally favor my left. And I attribute that to grappling for nearly two decades, and driving off my left leg when I went in for a double. Strangely enough, a lot of my teammates and rolling partners are the same, vice versa if they are lefty. Maybe we all have situs inversus? It’s very difficult to assume which hip a person would favor in the manner in which you do. From my experience, many athletes who drive off their left leg (ie righty wrestlers and basketball players) favor their left leg/hip.

“I was under the impression that I was talking to a professional, not someone in the general population.”

If you want to discuss, let’s discuss. Hurling your hurt ego won’t get you far. The sole purpose was to lend some help to a dude from New Zealand who asked for advice. Not to berate his or any of our intelligence.

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Jarvan, the knee joint also has a small amount of rotation, very important for the energy saving “locking mechanism” instigated by vastus medialis (locking/ medial rotation) and popliteus (unlocking/ external rotation).

Grays anatomy is an excellent source for expanding your knowledge of basic anatomy; on a clinical and functional level too. There are better textbooks out there but this is pretty comprehensive and the pictures are great.

This isn’t an issue of hurt ego but more an issue of professional practice mate. You simply cannot accurately assess over the Internet and suggest to the recipient of said ‘assessment’ that they need treatment or they are headed for injury.

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We’re formally taught the hip rolls over the socket. However, I use it interchangeably.
It seems the author from the article is talking about it from a throwing perspective. I dig.
Articles are always cool, but frankly does not compete with the thoroughness of text books. I’ve got a good list of favorites if you’re interested.

Pgtips
Of course it rotates slightly, but anything beyond ‘slight’ is called a torn cruciate ligament. And for it be completely immobile rotationally would require the bones be fused. Relax and take care of that heart buddy.

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Obviously :wink:

http://www.gonsteadseminar.com/index.php/team-rwr/what-is-gonstead

If you’re interested in homeopathic healing, the spine, or even kinesiology, hands down best seminar you can start with. They have seminars available for students as well as professionals.

Super dense book with seemingly endless details. It leaves no page unturned. What you’ll quickly find is not only the obvious importance of spine health, but also how working on something with an unhealthy spine is taking a longer, endless road. to eventual failure… I.E. working on an imbalance, or nearly every other disease outside of the spine, without attending to the spine first. I don’t have this version, but I imagine it’s just as good as the previous ones.

Perfect segway from the aforementioned book. All nerdy terms included.

Enjoy. These two text books should be more than enough.

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Guys!! i think i have scoliosis because my spine has kinda of a S shape… when i take pics i can see it sometimes but it is very hard to see (but it can be seen). I havent seen a chiro yet but i am going to book an appointment in a week or so, so i will still be going to the gym… i just want to ask, will doing any excercises (like squats, deadlifts) make my scoliosis worse?? (if i actually have it)
just want to keep it in concern… thanks a lot!!!

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My RHS shoulder was too ‘low’ this made my traps look uneven from the front.
The physical therapist said to adjust my posture every half hour (when at work, sat at the desk) and also whenever I caught my posture deteriorating. basically left right shoulder up to correct level and both shoulders back slightly, as if standing at attention. Worked well after a couple of weeks, but my re-addition of occasional trap training really helped, I don’t have the problem now (though I am more aware of posture).

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we both have same problem. tell me solution if u hv got it.

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oh bad luck.i have been facing this problem since 2013 but until now i could not fix. even doctors are also failed. i have lost my excitement. i have stopped to do exercises many times but no result. now i feel tightness in my all right side body muscles from my head to feet. my scapular neck traps shoulder chest hip gluts leg feet are disturbing me. standing sitting driving everywhere problem jst bcz of imbalance. my left side is bigger than right side and right is very tight and smaller than left :cry::cry::cry:… 5 years but no solution. if you have any solution then please share with me.

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Read every post by @Jarvan a few times.