This has always been your achilles heel, Brick. You over think your life and navel gaze too much. I have the same problem, so my observation is not made with ill intent.
PS: for every animal you don’t eat, I’m having three 
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Whoa, fucking whoa. All this talk about tortured animals on ranches and feedlots is a huge, steaming pile of cowshit. I’ve worked on ranches. I’ve worked in feedlots. CATTLE ARE NOT BEING TORTURED.
I don’t give a shit about some PETA or vegan produced video that shows squalor and unclean conditions in rare cases. It’s NOT the norm.
From where I’m sitting typing these very words I can view the cattle of my next door neighbor in a feedlot. THEY ARE NOT BEING TORTURED. Livestock producers take good care of their bread and butter. They have to. It’s how they make their living.
You city mice are a bunch of delusional dum-dums. Naive, stupid, gullible morons. Get the fuck out of your suburbs and your inner cities and explore your world. Good grief.
*If you post links from your favorite vegan videos showing all of the purported poor conditions in a feedlot I will in turn post videos of you city mice assholes throwing punches at each other at Walmart on Black Friday while fighting over your coveted Great Deals! on flat-screen TV’s and computers with which you will take home and view PETA feedlots videos and advance inane ideals about how modern America treats its livestock.[/quote]
Alright, being I am getting this from the horse’s mouth, I’ll take this.
There is no doubt, and I have stated this before many times, that growing up where I have, can make someone utterly unworldly.
Remember, as I said, this is not a lifelong vow, and I was not even stating I am already a vegetarian considering I am still having small portions of meat and animal products I still have in my house. Push, if what you say is true, then fine, I will consider just sticking to this reduced protein intake (which I think is a good thing for me anyway, considering I ate a shitload of it before, unnecessarily) and stick with organic items.
Yes, I did see a PETA video with minks being skinned alive and sheep having pieces of flesh torn from their bodies.
If you can show me videos of your part of town, then please do. I love learning about different people and different parts of this earth.
No, I am not searching for something. I simply want to purchase more organic meat because of what I saw going on in factory farms. THat’s it! I am not off for some angst-laden journey in which I find the meaning of life and waste my damn time!
Actually, my life is now fuller the it ever has been. For some guy who wasted time in the past being depressed, fucking around on the internet, and having a hobby take up the majority of his spare time, thoughts, and emotion, I have had more joy, recreation, close friends, and love in my life in the past four years than I did in the decade before.
And yes, we city boys are unworldly. Many of us think we’re worldly, but the extent of that usually goes to th fullest for angst-laden Brooklyn and Queens hipsters who live as if they are dorm-dwellers till 40 years old and spend the majority of time in coffee shops and freelance various “creative” jobs. Most of us do not know how to fix cars or hammer a nail or actually anything requiring a combination of physical work and brains.
You read my post in the thread about Matt Kroc, in which I stated that we’re too goddamn compassionate these days, and I strongly believe this.
No, no… just because I have some concern for the world outside of my immediate surroundings, doesn’t mean you will be hearing any of the topics that softened and squeamish city-boys love talking about.
Edit: Ramble taken out. I will comment more later.
By the way Push, I am sure you know that there are city mice, especially Manhattanites, who actually DO think they are better than everyone else on this earth.
Most of them actually think that those who live outside of NYC, Los Angeles, Miami, and Chicago are all backwards hicks hooked on meth who fornicate with under-aged relatives, have bad teeth, and my favorite, “have nothing to do.”
When I even mentioned that I am moving to nearby Long Island, people have actually said, "there’s nothing t o do there, and they say this for just about every other state of the USA.
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
This has always been your achilles heel, Brick. You over think your life and navel gaze too much. I have the same problem, so my observation is not made with ill intent.
PS: for every animal you don’t eat, I’m having three [/quote]
I think this was the truth at one point, but my life is too busy and full for that now. Throw a kid in the mix (which I want ASAP, hence my HCG use at the present time) and there will be little time to think of myself at all I believe.
I will be looking into the recommendations people have provided here regarding farms.
My experience with feedlots is a little different than Push’s.
I worked at a feed lot in junior high. My job was to walk on the metal-pipe fencing with a type of paintball gun and shoot the sickly looking cows so they could be identified and given more antibiotics. And I had to carry a LOT of paintballs with me when I got up on the fence.
It seems like I’ve heard this exact argument used about slave owners:
That being said, I still eat the shit out of beef. I cooked an 11 pound brisket Thanksgiving and ate a delicious NY Strip for dinner tonight.
Setting aside the humane argument wouldn’t it be nice to take a break from consuming 200g of protein daily?
Most vegan bodybuilders eat 10/10/90 P/F/C
Meant to write 10/10/80
Push: It’s all good. I know it was not directed towards me, just general talk. And I apologize if I get worked up here and there.
You know I’ve always loved your posts. Some of them crack me up!
I think those PETA videos screwed with my head.
You can safely ignore anything that PETA says
EDIT: also from one of the comments on that link: The Myth of the Ethical 'Vegan' -- Health & Wellness -- Sott.net
aside from the humane angle it would be nice not to have to take in 200g protein daily.
Vegan bodybuilders eat 10/10/80 - P/F/C
[quote]pushharder wrote:
It IS a good argument whether it’s used about slave owners or cattle ranchers or feedlot owners or wheat farmers or dairy farmers or llama farmers or tanneries or sheep ranchers or poultry farmers or camel producers or sugar beet farmers or alfalfa farmers or sunflower seed farmers or trout farmers or seaweed producers or software producers or cement plants or epoxy resin manufacturers or oil refineries or timber producers or steel manufacturers or smart phone makers or furniture builders or automakers or bicycle manufacturers or gravel pits or fast food chains or vodka distilleries or paper clip manufacturers or toilet manufacturers or textile manufacturers or illicit drug manufacturers or sword makers or swimming pool filter manufacturers…or EVEN health supplement and protein powder makers.
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Taking the most care to protect the economics of an enterprise certainly isn’t the same thing as treating the chattel with “moral care”, kindness etc. That’s why the argument fails when it comes to slave ownership.
Summary of this thread so far is the title was misleading and your not really becoming a vegetarian.
I like Berardis old recomendations along the lines of ‘Eat like a vegetarian, just include meat.’ His plans always seemed pretty sensible and effective.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]doogie wrote:
My experience with feedlots is a little different than Push’s.
I worked at a feed lot in junior high. My job was to walk on the metal-pipe fencing with a type of paintball gun and shoot the sickly looking cows so they could be identified and given more antibiotics…
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Good grief, man, that’s a GOOD thing. When you take your sick kid to the doctor and he’s given antibiotics do you seriously think that’s a negative? Really?
You’d prefer the feed lot management NOT doctor the sick cattle? Leave 'em there to infect other cattle? Leave 'em there to die? Shoot 'em with a 30.06 between the eyes where they stand instead of with a paintball gun?
Or slaughter them for consumption WHILE they’re sick? What are you hoping for here, my friend, with this tale of feedlot managers treating their charges for illness?
Can anyone make a credible case that not only should we not kill animals for food but we should also not take care of them when they’re sick? THAT’s sick. Not to mention incredibly illogical.
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You know damn well it’s not normal for that many cows to get sick and need antibiotics. If they weren’t cramped into the feedlot, the antibiotics wouldn’t be necessary. And you know that it isn’t good for humans to have antibiotic resistant bacteria in our food.