Am I Doomed? Vegetarian Ecto Bulk

Another one here just starting out.

Stats

Height: 5,10
Weight: 155 on a good day
Body Fat: Will Find and Get pics

Bench Max: 225
Squat Max:135 :frowning:

Goals
Strength Gain
Weight Gain Hoping to hit 240 then cut

Down Falls:
Train MMA 3x a week hour workout session
Ride bike 3x a week to work about 6-10 miles will get exact

I need help on bulking and strength training. I have had poor training in the past and want to find right way to meet my goals. Im looking for ideas on work out program and diet. I do eat dairy products.

Ideas from bulk and burn article.
Foods
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�?� Spinach
�?� Onions
�?� Carrots
�?� Cottage cheese
�?� Walnuts
�?� Almonds
�?� Natural peanut butter
�?� Olive oil
�?� Fiber One cereal
�?� Brown rice
�?� White rice
�?� Yams
�?� Potatoes
�?� Whole wheat pasta
�?� Black beans
�?� Chick peas
�?� Kidney beans
�?� Lentils

thanks for the help in advance.
Jchavezj

Why are you eating vegetarian?

What’s the reason for no meat?

Do you eat fish?

If you’re lacto-ovo veg than you’re not completely doomed.

Eggs and Milk are good protein sources and should see you through.

But seriosuly - vegetarians are stupid:
Human body thrives on animal meat.
Morally right to kill and eat other animals.

  • Weight Gain Hoping to hit 240 then cut.
    Very ballsy without any meat!

[quote]Spry wrote:
If you’re lacto-ovo veg than you’re not completely doomed.

Eggs and Milk are good protein sources and should see you through.

But seriosuly - vegetarians are stupid:
Human body thrives on animal meat.
Morally right to kill and eat other animals.

  • Weight Gain Hoping to hit 240 then cut.
    Very ballsy without any meat![/quote]

How is it morally right to kill another animal?

its called the circle of life

if its good enough for lions to eat animals thats more than good enough for me

Best way to achieve your goals: Full nutrition including meat and fish.

But I don’t think we’re here to convert you.

The only thing you can do is eat an incredible amount of food, train hard, and get rest.

Also, you may be on the wrong website.

Try these:

http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/rob/
http://vegetarianbodybuilder.com/index2.html

http://www.trulyhuge.com/news/tips63iv.htm
http://www.trulyhuge.com/news/tips63iu.htm

Its good karma lol… i know 240 is aiming high. But i have dedication its easy for me to follow a strict diet. Any workout plans that work good specifically for ectomorphs with an active lifestyle?

I wish you all the best, Jchavezj, in your challenge.

jit07, should we punish a lion for killing another animal and eating it? What should the punishment be? Death?

I put to you, why is it wrong to eat another animal?

I think you missed my point. Eating other animals is right.

I am not a big beliver in absolutes like Right and Wrong.

Things which are right to me are wrong to other people. I have not found a universial definition of right and wrong which makes any sense.

My current theory is:

Right = Good for me or my loved ones.
Wrong = Bad for me or my loved ones.

Try it out. Eating animals gets a tick in the Right box.

[quote]Spry wrote:
I wish you all the best, Jchavezj, in your challenge.

jit07, should we punish a lion for killing another animal and eating it? What should the punishment be? Death?

I put to you, why is it wrong to eat another animal?

I think you missed my point. Eating other animals is right.

I am not a big beliver in absolutes like Right and Wrong.

Things which are right to me are wrong to other people. I have not found a universial definition of right and wrong which makes any sense.

My current theory is:

Right = Good for me or my loved ones.
Wrong = Bad for me or my loved ones.

Try it out. Eating animals gets a tick in the Right box.[/quote]

About the lion, obviously the lion has no other choice but to kill and eat other animals- it’s necessary for his survival.

It’s a personal decision on how someone decides to eat. Many choose to be vegetarians based on their personal beliefs pertaining to health and ethics.

Humans don’t absolutely have to eat meat for survival if other food sources are available. You said it was “morally right” to eat meat as if it’s your duty to god to eat it. Like I said earlier, what someone chooses to eat is a personal choice.

I don’t think it’s right to kill an other animal if it isn’t necessary. Which in my case and many others it isn’t. Is a human life more important than say a dog’s life? A dog’s life more important than a squirrel’s? I can’t answer that, I’m not so sure myself. As humans we identify with other humans and therefor value our lives and other humans lives above other creature’s lives. Here’s an example; A cute little puppy gets run over by a truck and is killed. Everyone feels sad and terrible. However, a pig is slaughtered and served for Christmas dinner and everyone digs in not thinking about the pig who lost it’s life so that everyone could eat. Those who do think about that pig’s life sluff it off and continue to eat.

All I’m saying is… is it necessary to kill and eat an animal even though it isn’t vital to one’s survival? What makes one creature’s life more important than another?

If you choose to eat meat cool- that’s your choice. People have their own beliefs and those beliefs should be respected.

*About the lion, obviously the lion has no other choice but to kill and eat other animals- it’s necessary for his survival.

No. You can’t mix’n’match logic, mate. The lion could forage for berries and shit like other animals. It doesn’t because it is a LION which requires meat.

I am a HUMAN which also requires meat. Thus my taste for it. My teeth have front incisors. My eyes being in the front of my skull for depth perception for hunting. etc. etc.

Why don’t we force lions in zoo’s to live off beans? I’d be in gaol for animal cruelity.

*It’s a personal decision on how someone decides to eat. Many choose to be vegetarians based on their personal beliefs pertaining to health and ethics.
Humans don’t absolutely have to eat meat for survival if other food sources are available. You said it was “morally right” to eat meat as if it’s your duty to god to eat it. Like I said earlier, what someone chooses to eat is a personal choice.

I am not religious. My ideas are based on logic and common sense.

People who decide not to eat meat are WRONG. I am not going to force them to eat it but my tolerance is not the same as respect for or advocation for it.

*I don’t think it’s right to kill an other animal if it isn’t necessary. Which in my case and many others it isn’t. Is a human life more important than say a dog’s life? A dog’s life more important than a squirrel’s? I can’t answer that, I’m not so sure myself. As humans we identify with other humans and therefor value our lives and other humans lives above other creature’s lives. Here’s an example; A cute little puppy gets run over by a truck and is killed. Everyone feels sad and terrible. However, a pig is slaughtered and served for Christmas dinner and everyone digs in not thinking about the pig who lost it’s life so that everyone could eat. Those who do think about that pig’s life sluff it off and continue to eat.

Why do you think that roast pig tastes so good? Because as a HUMAN I am meant to eat it. I AM MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY OTHER ANIMAL. That is common sense. Self-preservation. Meat makes me stronger and healthier more EFFICIENTLY than non-meat sources. I am not going to fuck around and take twice as long so a pig may live. Fuck the pig.

*All I’m saying is… is it necessary to kill and eat an animal even though it isn’t vital to one’s survival? What makes one creature’s life more important than another?

It is vital. When I have a child, guess what? They will be eating fish and beef and everything else as this will ensure the develop into a physically stronger and mentally strong being. AND THIS IS ESSENTIAL.

*If you choose to eat meat cool- that’s your choice. People have their own beliefs and those beliefs should be respected.

As I said above. Tolerance is not respect.

I do not respect that which is incorrect.

The only possible argument you have is because we have evolved beyond other animals, in so much as we can grow/farm/manage our food resources, we should only eat non-animal food. This is stupid. We would not have evolved if it were not for eating animal protein. It is scientific fact. All those fats and proteins build brains. Lets not go backwards and de-evolve.

yea lets put lions in the zoo and make them eat beans and berries lmfao.

vegetarians are silly.

…its hard to gain weight on a vegan diet for a reason. for people whom seemingly want to be in tune with nature, they sure do try a whole lot to go against it.

there are some vegan bodybuilders though, so maybe its possible but they probaly take just as much steroids as they do greenbeans.

If you are going to continue as a vegitarian get the Bill Pearl book, and read some of his recent articles. He & his wife are vegs and doing well, we should all do near as well as he has done. One of the things that I like is that he weighs himself every morning. That is the only was to keep track of what you are doing.

Good luck to you.

What type of vegetarian are you…are you vegan?

Vegan-No animal products (no milk or meat products)

Lacto-Ovo = No meat but milk and eggs.

You forgot to add in your choices whey protein.

If you really really want to bulk, while maintaining your beliefs the only way would be to buy 1000g bag of 100% whey and mix half of that with 3 litre of milk. Drink that throught the day with your vegetables.

That should be about 240~300g of protein. Enough for you at this stage. But to be honest if you have a goal of 240 it wont be possible on protein drinks alone. Vegetables won’t be enough, rice and corn won’t be enough, rice and beans won’t be enough. You will need to consume eggs, beef or chicken (in that order).

good for you. nothing wrong with being veg. Like others have said Bill Pearl should be your role model.

one thing i will say thou is the animals we eat would not even have had a life if it weren’t for the fact that they were birthed and reared on farms for human consumption. personaly if i were a cow, i’d prefer to have a life on a farm for a few years rather than no life at all. Morally i always go for animals that i can proove had a good life befor slaughter.

LOL I love the circle of life argument, how true. We have teeth made to chew into flesh for a reason.

Im really agaisnt stereotyping, but 3 vegans that ive met in real life, are all about “reduced cholesterol and fats, heart attack rate, and benefits of soy” etc, all the while sporting that self-righteous attitude. A brain-washed machines. Thumbs up for thread starter for not being one of them.

At least you will be effortlessly sporting 6-pack all year around + getting a shit-ton of antioxidants. And you dont have to be asbolutely hyooooge to compete in vegan BB events.

this one vegan i met at college said she classified food into “dead” and “living”, dead being meats, eggs, milk, etc, living being plants and grains. so i asked “but what about when you pick an apple, doesn’t it go from living to dead in that instant?” she didn’t really have an answer for that. i suppose if it made her happy, i could only eat meat off of animals that are still alive…haha.

Is it possible to even hit 240 at 5’10"(assuming it’s not all fat)?

PS Why is it that you chose to be a vegetarian?

PS try eating some of this stuff I found on that guys links from above: http://ksteveh.tripod.com/protein.html