Training to Deadlifting 800lbs

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]OmniStyx wrote:
Build up over time to lots of volume at moderately heavy weights with a high frequency. Identify where you’re weak and throw more volume at your weaknesses. Video every session from multiple angles to help identify issues (weaknesses, form deterioration, etc.) and work on those issues. Put very high priority on diet and recovery. Gain weight. Continue for at least a decade.[/quote]

That’s sound advice that actually makes sense. Also thanks for not shooting me down immediately, haha.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
I want to squat 1000lbs raw natty in a few years. What should I do guys?[/quote]

Squats and Milk??[/quote]

top ramen and tuna[/quote]

and a pound of rice for breakfast if your mom won’t buy you pasta.

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[quote]Zooguido wrote:

[quote]OmniStyx wrote:
Build up over time to lots of volume at moderately heavy weights with a high frequency. Identify where you’re weak and throw more volume at your weaknesses. Video every session from multiple angles to help identify issues (weaknesses, form deterioration, etc.) and work on those issues. Put very high priority on diet and recovery. Gain weight. Continue for at least a decade.[/quote]

That’s sound advice that actually makes sense. Also thanks for not shooting me down immediately, haha.[/quote]

many would disagree that this is sound advice. Some very special, gifted lifters can do this long term, but for most, heavy deadlifting using a high volume/high frequency template is untenable. You could train accessory movements this way, but I doubt that this would be the best route to take on the main lift itself. Many reputable coaches advocate less than 10-15 deadlift reps in any given week.

Just offering a different perspective.

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You may want to take a look through the archives at Jesse Marunde’s site. There’s a couple 900 lb pullers, a few 800 lbs, and several 700 lbs who’ve discussed deadlift training quite a bit. Plenty of info available with a search.

EDIT:
E.g., helping some guy who had trouble with locking out 545:

“rep work on deadlift is max deadlift suicide. Reps build muscle but they slow you down (reduce power) and do nothing for nervous system output. Just my $0.02” - Vince Urbank, 900 lb lifter

“Also, stop doing reps. Pick 3 or 4 deadlift variations and max on one each week. 2 sumo and 2 conventional types is best. To avoid overtraining, keep your squats on squat day explosive and up to 70-80% for doubles, slowly increase weight each week unless it starts getting way too much of a grind.” - Dan Harrison, 900 lb lifter

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[quote]LoRez wrote:
You may want to take a look through the archives at Jesse Marunde’s site. There’s a couple 900 lb pullers, a few 800 lbs, and several 700 lbs who’ve discussed deadlift training quite a bit. Plenty of info available with a search.

EDIT:
E.g., helping some guy who had trouble with locking out 545:

“rep work on deadlift is max deadlift suicide. Reps build muscle but they slow you down (reduce power) and do nothing for nervous system output. Just my $0.02” - Vince Urbank, 900 lb lifter

“Also, stop doing reps. Pick 3 or 4 deadlift variations and max on one each week. 2 sumo and 2 conventional types is best. To avoid overtraining, keep your squats on squat day explosive and up to 70-80% for doubles, slowly increase weight each week unless it starts getting way too much of a grind.” - Dan Harrison, 900 lb lifter[/quote]

Cool. So this program by Surovetsky would be advised against?

Repetitions are touch and go on day 1, while all reps are paused on the floor on day 2.

Week 1:
Day 1: 70% x 5x5
Day 2: 81% x3 - 85 x2% - 88.5% x 1,1,1

Week 2:
Day 1: 72.5% x 5x5
Day 2: 81% x3 - 85% x2 - 88.5% x 2,2,2

Week 3:
Day 1: 75% x 5x5
Day 2: 82,5% x3 - x2 97.5% - 94% x 1,1,1

Week 4:
Day 1: 77.5% x 4x4
Day 2: 82,5% x3 - x2 97.5% - 94% x 2,2,2

Week 5:
Day 1: 80% x 4x4
Day 2:84% x3 - 94 % x2 - 100% x 1,1,1

Week 6:
Day 1: 82.5% x 4x4
Day 2:84% x3 - 94 x2% - 100% x 2,2,2

Week 7:
Day 1: 85% x 3x3
Day 2: 85.5% x3 - x2 97.5% - 105% x 1,1,1

Week 8:
Day 1: 87.5% x 3x3
Day 2:85,5% x3 - 97.5% x2 - 105% x 2,2,2

Week 9:
Day 1: 90% x 2x2
Day 2: MAX

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Deadlift 600lbs first. Is there a reason you just dont care about your squat #? Because squatting is going to help your deadlift. Its fine to want to deadlift 800, im sure everyone on this forum wants to if they are a powerlifter.

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You will get a lot of wildly different suggestions on training, because different things work for different people. But, I am willing to bet money that there is not a soul on this planet who has used 5/3/1 as a natty to go from a 500 to an 800 pull. Not happening. Not with all ramen and tuna in the world.

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[quote]Zooguido wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
You may want to take a look through the archives at Jesse Marunde’s site. There’s a couple 900 lb pullers, a few 800 lbs, and several 700 lbs who’ve discussed deadlift training quite a bit. Plenty of info available with a search.
[/quote]

Cool. So this program by Surovetsky would be advised against?[/quote]

I can’t speak for either of them, obviously, nor do I have any basis to advise one way or another.

My real point was that there’s good reading out there, by people who actually pull in those numbers. If you want to know how to do it, it might be worth your time to see what other people who’ve done it have to say. As far as I know, there aren’t any 800+ lb pullers on this board.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Zooguido wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
You may want to take a look through the archives at Jesse Marunde’s site. There’s a couple 900 lb pullers, a few 800 lbs, and several 700 lbs who’ve discussed deadlift training quite a bit. Plenty of info available with a search.
[/quote]

Cool. So this program by Surovetsky would be advised against?[/quote]

I can’t speak for either of them, obviously, nor do I have any basis to advise one way or another.

My real point was that there’s good reading out there, by people who actually pull in those numbers. If you want to know how to do it, it might be worth your time to see what other people who’ve done it have to say. As far as I know, there aren’t any 800+ lb pullers on this board.[/quote]

Thank you

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honestly bro you’re just looking for hell if ya post something like that here,not to mention your pull is not anything out of the ordinary, which makes 800 seem even that much more unrealistic.

with that being said, whos to say its not possible natty for you?

the only way to really know is to pull your ass off, eat alot, and dont be stupid.

,if ya do all those things and you realize your not going to get it natty, you’re gonna have to really evaluate if you’re willing to do ANYTHING to grab that number.

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If you want more info on the Surovetsky program, the main issues are that the guy is ancient and doesnt speak fluent English, so his routines are not popular in the states. I did a lot of research and I cant be sure if anything I found relates to his deadlift program or just his powerlifting program (his cycled deadlift/squat routine doesn’t seem to work unless you are juicing, his bench routines are hit or miss based on how well your elbows/shoulders tolerate heavy loading). His routines are 3x/week where each day you do bench/assistance/lower body in no specific order that I could find. assistance movements were rows, pulldowns, or rack pulls for deadlift, though there were others for squatting days, and some days this was dropped in favor of heavy pec flies and/or light bent DB raises.

I just did pull ups and T-bar rows, though now that I have access to dumbbells I’d probably do Kroc rows. I benched first on volume day and second on heavy day.

I can tell you that both times I did this program it did NOTHING for my squat (though I didn’t seem to lose any strength or capacity), but my limiting factor both times were not leg strength but grip strength and upper spinal posture. Also, my lower back was fried EVERY saturday (heavy day was friday). It did not get better over the 9 weeks, but I didn’t get injured, it was just painful.

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[quote]Zoro wrote:
If you want more info on the Surovetsky program, the main issues are that the guy is ancient and doesnt speak fluent English, so his routines are not popular in the states. [/quote]

I have an advantage over everyone else here because I’m Russian, so Smolov, Sheiko, Surovetsky are all easier for me not only to understand, but to do as a pure blood Russian. It’s like innate. The only reason I’m even doing 5/3/1 is because I don’t want to humiliate other lifters with my potential numbers on Russian programs. I can natty up 800 if I wanted to. #h8ersgonnah8

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[quote]Haldor wrote:

[quote]Zoro wrote:
If you want more info on the Surovetsky program, the main issues are that the guy is ancient and doesnt speak fluent English, so his routines are not popular in the states. [/quote]

I have an advantage over everyone else here because I’m Russian, so Smolov, Sheiko, Surovetsky are all easier for me not only to understand, but to do as a pure blood Russian. It’s like innate. The only reason I’m even doing 5/3/1 is because I don’t want to humiliate other lifters with my potential numbers on Russian programs. I can natty up 800 if I wanted to. #h8ersgonnah8[/quote]
Wow imagine what this guy could do if he ran a russian program and masters hysterical strength!?

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Never go full retard OP.

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For me and others the best exercise for a Deadlift is a Squat; I see a direct comparison to what I Squat and what I Dead; the more I can Squat, the more I Deadlift. Your going to have to figure out your best frequency for Dead, you will find most people will have a longer period of time between Deadlifts, mine is once every two weeks, I use to to do twice a week, a speed and heavy day and was Dead’g in Competition in the upper 500s, changed to once a week and got to near 600, changed to once every two weeks and got to lower 600s, presently my best competition Deadlift (USAPL) is 640 and tried 666 lbs. and got it maybe 4 inches off the ground…amazing on how decreasing your volume and frequency can really jack a lift up if you understand on how to time your frequency better.keep it as basic and small as possible.

Personally I would not suggest a 5/3/1 routine for a Deadlift centric routine, you have a very great advantage of just being concerned about one lift and therefore you should only train when recuperated from the Deadlift and only do exercises that you for sure know help your deadlift weaknesses, only do another form of exercise if your for sure about it, or experiment…

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hahaha 6 foot 9?! You’re a monster!

I agree with the other guys when they say 800lbs natural might not be possible, but you could get 630+.

Have you ever heard of George Leeman? apart from being a super nice guy, he packed on as much weight as he could to try and break the American record (I think?)

Have a look on his youtube channel and see if that gives you any help?

all the best.

Jake.

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[quote]J-Train wrote:
hahaha 6 foot 9?! You’re a monster!

I agree with the other guys when they say 800lbs natural might not be possible, but you could get 630+.

Have you ever heard of George Leeman? apart from being a super nice guy, he packed on as much weight as he could to try and break the American record (I think?)

Have a look on his youtube channel and see if that gives you any help?

all the best.

Jake. [/quote]

Leeman’s not natural though…

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]J-Train wrote:
hahaha 6 foot 9?! You’re a monster!

I agree with the other guys when they say 800lbs natural might not be possible, but you could get 630+.

Have you ever heard of George Leeman? apart from being a super nice guy, he packed on as much weight as he could to try and break the American record (I think?)

Have a look on his youtube channel and see if that gives you any help?

all the best.

Jake. [/quote]

Leeman’s not natural though…[/quote]

This is true, but my point was Leeman’s approach to training: ‘get as big as you can to lift as much as you can’.

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Nothing to add in terms of how you should program deadlifts, but if you have a goal, and even if it will take you, say, ten years to achieve, you may as well go for it as that time is going to pass anyway. You won’t know whether or not you can achieve it until you try. Just be willing to alter other parameters in such a way that they support said goal.

However, I don’t really see the point of having targets. Just try to improve, and never stop trying. Let’s say you hit 800lbs; I’m willing to bet that next you’ll want 850, and then 900, etc. Remember, firstly, you’ve got to hit 496lbs. Not once have I ever been satisfied with how good I look, or how much I can lift. Of course, there is that moment of elation when you hit a p.r., but it doesn’t last long.