Training Till Depressed: Results

I’m back. My 5 days off turned into 6 unfortunately. 1 day feeling like crap, 2 days backpacking, 1 day off, then 1 day (that felt like 2 in one) where I moved my entire room by myself. I was so tired I was dizzy by 2 am when I went to sleep. It’s been so stressful too. Yesterday I simply had way too much to do. I didn’t attempt to go to the gym. So a 6th day was off. I feel like I’ve been away from the gym for a month.

So today I was so excited to get back to the gym, but it SUCKED. First I get in there and the scale says I dropped 5.5 lbs in the last 6 days??? Maybe…I don’t know. I guess I’ve eaten the same # of cals as normal, but I’ve been insanely active. I didn’t really get hungry while moving (although I ate something small every 2-3 hours) but last night I felt like I wanted to scarf down everything in site.

Today I practically chugged my Surge I was so hungy. My stomach feels like a hole. I really hope if I just eat today then tomorrow I’ll feel better. I’m really unhappy about that scale thing. some must be water. But if I’m really down that much then I completely wasted the first half of the month!!!I’m the lowest weight I’ve been since being hospitalized for that horrid illness I got in Germany 4 months ago.

I do notice one thing is that when I take more than 1-2 days off from the gym my first worout in usually sucks. Does anyone else feel this way? I somehow feel my mind/coordination isn’t there and I can’t get my muscles to the point of feeling worked even if I fail on stuff. Maybe that’s because I’m used to working through soreness and now I’m not. I don’t know. Today was awful though. I almost cried in frustration at the end.

[quote]sarah1 wrote:
I’m back. My 5 days off turned into 6 unfortunately. 1 day feeling like crap, 2 days backpacking, 1 day off, then 1 day (that felt like 2 in one) where I moved my entire room by myself. I was so tired I was dizzy by 2 am when I went to sleep. It’s been so stressful too. Yesterday I simply had way too much to do. I didn’t attempt to go to the gym. So a 6th day was off. I feel like I’ve been away from the gym for a month.

So today I was so excited to get back to the gym, but it SUCKED. First I get in there and the scale says I dropped 5.5 lbs in the last 6 days??? Maybe…I don’t know. I guess I’ve eaten the same # of cals as normal, but I’ve been insanely active. I didn’t really get hungry while moving (although I ate something small every 2-3 hours) but last night I felt like I wanted to scarf down everything in site.

Today I practically chugged my Surge I was so hungy. My stomach feels like a hole. I really hope if I just eat today then tomorrow I’ll feel better. I’m really unhappy about that scale thing. some must be water. But if I’m really down that much then I completely wasted the first half of the month!!!I’m the lowest weight I’ve been since being hospitalized for that horrid illness I got in Germany 4 months ago.

I do notice one thing is that when I take more than 1-2 days off from the gym my first worout in usually sucks. Does anyone else feel this way? I somehow feel my mind/coordination isn’t there and I can’t get my muscles to the point of feeling worked even if I fail on stuff. Maybe that’s because I’m used to working through soreness and now I’m not. I don’t know. Today was awful though. I almost cried in frustration at the end.

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You’re burning a rediculous amount of calories in the over-reached state to start with and your “days off” have been anything but. I recommend locking yourself in a room full of food for a couple more days to rebound properly.

[quote]allNatural wrote:
sarah1 wrote:

You’re burning a rediculous amount of calories in the over-reached state to start with and your “days off” have been anything but. I recommend locking yourself in a room full of food for a couple more days to rebound properly.

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Sarah1, please follow this advice, as much as you do not want to and EAT. You mentioned that you ate like you always do and that’s a big mistake!
You must eat everything healthy that isn’t nailed to the floor and isn’t running away from you!

Your off days were still filled with a lot of activity and I had mentioned to you before that you needed to prepare for these days food wise.

Please take more time and allow the re-bound to happen properly.

By the way, in the past it has sometimes takem me longer then 5 days to rebound. There have been times where it took two weeks before a surge in strength!

Take at least two days and eat to your heart’s content. Really!

Poliquin even mentioned that he was ok with empty calories from ice cream after you ate you healthy stuff.

Please follow that advice. You cannot expect to add a large amount of muscle without a large ammount of food (at the right time).

Good luck.

Must be a man thing. I felt the same way and still do day 2 into rest. I’ll be reporting results on day 5.

[quote]sarah1 wrote:
DIPS33 wrote:
day 10
I feel the urge to kill anything that moves.

Ha…I’m surprised you have enough energy to kill anything. I just felt like a puddle on the ground…[/quote]

I’ve definitely been eating ALL day. My stomach is this hole that can’t be filled. I don’t know if it’s just mental though - when I see a weight that shocks me I tend to always feel hungry. Likewise if I am stressed I will feel no hunger. Probably why I was not hungry at all the last few days until last night.

Do you really think I should take the next days off too? I’ve been out of the gym for 6 days - my muscles are no longer sore at all. They weren’t sore after the 3rd day. So I must have missed my rebound state and all those 10 quality workouts were wasted?? Sucks to think that. And also that I could have eaten more. I love to eat but hold back usually since I’d eat nonstop every day (like today) if I could.

Well, I ate insanely yesterday and decided to go to the gym today to see how it went. Scale said I was up 4.5 lbs from yesterday, so something is def. wacky with the scale. I probably did not lose the 5 lbs I thought I did.

I think part of the problem is mental recovery. I think I may break out Spike for tomorrow. (I was going to today but I forgot - another sign of how out of it I feel!) I feel like I can’t push hard enough, even though I’ll fail to lift the weight. I feel like quitting before I start the workout too. It’s really frustrating.

I seem to run into this same feeling I have now when I just fail before my muscles feel worked. This may be because I am used to training in a non-fully recovered state, because I notice the only time it happens is when I’ve been out of the gym for an extended period of time. Is this a bad thing? Should I be getting used to working out after long rests? I don’t like it at all.

Anyway, pushed through the med. workout. I like these. I increased on a few lifts. I tried using CW’s ideas about trying to move the weight FAST. It seemed to help. I am a little bored of the exercises though. Do you think it would be okay to change them? What would you recommend to change them to? I was thinking just slight variations somehow - the same idea but a little different. Also, should I be changing up the order? Like hitting legs first maybe?

I think the single leg work is good even though I hate it. My legs are still WAY too tiny but the different strands are getting more balanced which should lead to healthier joints.

I still feel bloated from yesterday’s massive eating. Eating will be hard today.

End of day 11…
only two more days of torture. its weird through this whole experiment i have felt o.k during most of the day then a sudden surge of feels like the grim reaper falls over me and i literally fall over for 30mins and cant move becuase everything hurts.

Even after this i will still be sad not to be in the gym for 5 days but is Necessary so that im not found lying dead on the floor trying to eat a chicken sandwich.

[quote]DIPS33 wrote:
End of day 11…
only two more days of torture. its weird through this whole experiment i have felt o.k during most of the day then a sudden surge of feels like the grim reaper falls over me and i literally fall over for 30mins and cant move becuase everything hurts.

Even after this i will still be sad not to be in the gym for 5 days but is Necessary so that im not found lying dead on the floor trying to eat a chicken sandwich.
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I felt the same way - my workout would be great, and I’d feel fine, but then sometimes (esp on day 8-10) I just hit a wall later in the day and felt like I had to lay down!

Day 12
i’ve hit a bit of a problem, today i went into the gym for my afternoon workout and it was closed due to ‘sudden’ repair issues what a fucking joke, so now i have missed a workout…

Im not sure if the gym will be open tomorrow if it is shall i perform the afternoon workout tomorrow aswell as the usual workout i would do tomorrow? and if the gym isnt open will missing 2 of the last sessions affect the end result of this training program?

Dips

[quote]DIPS33 wrote:
Day 12
i’ve hit a bit of a problem, today i went into the gym for my afternoon workout and it was closed due to ‘sudden’ repair issues what a fucking joke, so now i have missed a workout…

Im not sure if the gym will be open tomorrow if it is shall i perform the afternoon workout tomorrow aswell as the usual workout i would do tomorrow? and if the gym isnt open will missing 2 of the last sessions affect the end result of this training program?

Dips[/quote]

I do not think so. Was the length of the program not supposed to be 10 days anyway?

Perhaps it is best to take your 5 days now, if you are losing 2 anyway and eat, eat, eat and make any tweaks next time.

Good luck,

marc

[quote]sarah1 wrote:
Well, I ate insanely yesterday and decided to go to the gym today to see how it went. Scale said I was up 4.5 lbs from yesterday, so something is def. wacky with the scale. I probably did not lose the 5 lbs I thought I did.

I think part of the problem is mental recovery. I think I may break out Spike for tomorrow. (I was going to today but I forgot - another sign of how out of it I feel!) I feel like I can’t push hard enough, even though I’ll fail to lift the weight. I feel like quitting before I start the workout too. It’s really frustrating.

I seem to run into this same feeling I have now when I just fail before my muscles feel worked. This may be because I am used to training in a non-fully recovered state, because I notice the only time it happens is when I’ve been out of the gym for an extended period of time. Is this a bad thing? Should I be getting used to working out after long rests? I don’t like it at all.

Anyway, pushed through the med. workout. I like these. I increased on a few lifts. I tried using CW’s ideas about trying to move the weight FAST. It seemed to help. I am a little bored of the exercises though. Do you think it would be okay to change them? What would you recommend to change them to? I was thinking just slight variations somehow - the same idea but a little different. Also, should I be changing up the order? Like hitting legs first maybe?

I think the single leg work is good even though I hate it. My legs are still WAY too tiny but the different strands are getting more balanced which should lead to healthier joints.

I still feel bloated from yesterday’s massive eating. Eating will be hard today.

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Glad you gained the weight back. Happens sometimes anyway but perhaps the lesson is not to be too afraid to add some fat because I do not think that’s going to happen on a training program like this (unless you camp out in Dunkin’ Donust) since you are shocking your whole system.

I do not think what you are feeling is a bad thing but in the cases that it happened to me I found that I did not eat enough protein and fat at the appropriate times! Try overhauling your nutrition and giving at a good look, perhaps there is room for improvement.

Change the exercises if you need to but keep the movement pattern the same. Try also to stay with single limb exercises, unless you really feel that some exercises are just really beneficial to you.

Hitting legs first should be no problem but I do not want to speak for Chad here, of course. I believe a program should be followed as given to the best of our ability. THat said, nobody knows your body so perhaps reversing the order each time or every time you come in, is key to your success!

If eating is hard, do you every uses Supershakes?

Sometimes it is simply better to dring!

Good luck and really, I admire how hard you are working and how willing you are to put it out there!

Marc

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
sarah1 wrote:
Well, I ate insanely yesterday and decided to go to the gym today to see how it went. Scale said I was up 4.5 lbs from yesterday, so something is def. wacky with the scale. I probably did not lose the 5 lbs I thought I did.

I think part of the problem is mental recovery. I think I may break out Spike for tomorrow. (I was going to today but I forgot - another sign of how out of it I feel!) I feel like I can’t push hard enough, even though I’ll fail to lift the weight. I feel like quitting before I start the workout too. It’s really frustrating.

I seem to run into this same feeling I have now when I just fail before my muscles feel worked. This may be because I am used to training in a non-fully recovered state, because I notice the only time it happens is when I’ve been out of the gym for an extended period of time. Is this a bad thing? Should I be getting used to working out after long rests? I don’t like it at all.

Anyway, pushed through the med. workout. I like these. I increased on a few lifts. I tried using CW’s ideas about trying to move the weight FAST. It seemed to help. I am a little bored of the exercises though. Do you think it would be okay to change them? What would you recommend to change them to? I was thinking just slight variations somehow - the same idea but a little different. Also, should I be changing up the order? Like hitting legs first maybe?

I think the single leg work is good even though I hate it. My legs are still WAY too tiny but the different strands are getting more balanced which should lead to healthier joints.

I still feel bloated from yesterday’s massive eating. Eating will be hard today.

Glad you gained the weight back. Happens sometimes anyway but perhaps the lesson is not to be too afraid to add some fat because I do not think that’s going to happen on a training program like this (unless you camp out in Dunkin’ Donust) since you are shocking your whole system.

I do not think what you are feeling is a bad thing but in the cases that it happened to me I found that I did not eat enough protein and fat at the appropriate times! Try overhauling your nutrition and giving at a good look, perhaps there is room for improvement.

Change the exercises if you need to but keep the movement pattern the same. Try also to stay with single limb exercises, unless you really feel that some exercises are just really beneficial to you.

Hitting legs first should be no problem but I do not want to speak for Chad here, of course. I believe a program should be followed as given to the best of our ability. THat said, nobody knows your body so perhaps reversing the order each time or every time you come in, is key to your success!

If eating is hard, do you every uses Supershakes?

Sometimes it is simply better to dring!

Good luck and really, I admire how hard you are working and how willing you are to put it out there!

Marc[/quote]

Thanks for your response. Training is not going so well this time round. I’m keeping the same exercises, but I just do not feel as energetic as last time and I’m really pissed at myself since I definitely did not gain weight (scale still being wacky - today down 2 lbs from yesterday.) I feel like I sort of wasted that time and now I’m so worn down that I can’t do a good job on the workouts or something because I’m just not sore the way I used to be. I’m on day 3. I could barely walk the first time - now I really don’t feel fatigued, but I couldn’t move more weight in the gym - I actually decreased on the lunges! I might just not be sore also since it’s no longer a shock - I’ve been doing these exercises for a while.

I do need to eat more. I have been, but now hunger is waning and I’m getting the same feeling I usually get of just being guilty for not doing more - I feel like I should constantly be working! Esp. after these days of crazy activity. I love to eat so I feel like I should just eat and work it off all day! However, I have been sitting at my comp. all day.

I way underestimated the cals I needed. However, do you feel it’s too late - like it’s been a long time since I was doing those super workouts - my body is no longer going to put those extra cals to muscle? I sort of lost that super-rebounding window?

ok, well my gym is shut so ill take the 5 days off now,
Marq i was Polquins program so it was 14 days(including2 off days)

So i ll keep you all posted about the results i get.

Hmm. Well today was interesting. I just kept feeling like adding things. It was a heavy day. I keep feeling this way and I don’t know if it’s bad - I just can’t get myself worn out so I go, do the workout, use the 5 free minutes, then usually turn then 5 free into like 20 and then still leave the gym feeling energetic. I am not able to lift heavier weights though. In some cases I decreased actually. So I’m doing something wrong I think.

Scale was up again to 112.5 (had been 107, then 112, then 110 - all in 4 days). So I don’t know if the scale is a good measure of progress. It’s being wacky.

However, I have not really increased on lifts and my legs feel skinny skinny skinny. I have been contemplating where to go from this and I’d like some input.

Of course the current plan is to finish out this WB plan for at least the next 10 day cycle (which I’m on day 4 of). (Although there is a potential backpacking trip in the planning and so what I may end up doing is cutting the 10 days short, taking 3 of rest, backpacking, and starting fresh when I return) However, after that I have 2 ideas. One, I can continue repeating a HF program, EATING more, and I think I would change it up potentially to an am/pm HF split, but was also thinking maybe I should go to a “regular” 4 day split (which I haven’t done in ages) for a month and do the hiking I want to do before going back to HF to get my body to have another proper shock. What do you think?

The thing with the HF programs I’ve done is that I always seem to get good results at reshaping, but not getting bigger. Like this time - I’ll attach a before/midpoint of my legs - I think they improved a little in shape but as I say I have not gotten BIGGEr. However, that may just be diet. I am wondering if I just increase cals is that all that is necessary to make the change? I don’t have to use longer rest periods? I keep reading about how to get big you need to lift HEAVY and rest like 1-2 min between sets. I do these HF programs in a circuit and am really getting my HR up…

Any input would be awesome! Thanks so much! This thread has been really helpful and fun while going through the WB program.

Wow, I’m insanely hyper. How long can the effects of spike work? I took one this morning at 10 am. It’s 8 pm now and I’m wired. I can’t sit and work! I just run around and eat things even though I’m not hungry! How can I have this much energy on day 4 of this plan??

Day 5 or Day 15 last day of rest

240lbs approx 5lb weight gain. Some fat, not too much.

Arms measure the same just above 17 inches.

Calves same 17 inches

Neck same 17.25 inches

Thigh R up 1 inch to 27.5 L up 1.25 inch to 27.25

Sternum down .5 inch

Waist up .75 inch

Chest up from 44.5 to 45.5

Forearms same at 13.5 inches

all measurments unflexed except upper arm measurement.

I’m going to continue but I’ll be changing the exercises to emphasise “upper chest” arms and calves.

The great news is that my joints feel better although knee is still somewhat bothersome.

[quote]StandTall wrote:
Day 5 or Day 15 last day of rest

240lbs approx 5lb weight gain. Some fat, not too much.

Arms measure the same just above 17 inches.

Calves same 17 inches

Neck same 17.25 inches

Thigh R up 1 inch to 27.5 L up 1.25 inch to 27.25

Sternum down .5 inch

Waist up .75 inch

Chest up from 44.5 to 45.5

Forearms same at 13.5 inches

all measurments unflexed except upper arm measurement.

I’m going to continue but I’ll be changing the exercises to emphasise “upper chest” arms and calves.

The great news is that my joints feel better although knee is still somewhat bothersome.[/quote]

Wow! Congrats - great results so far!

Thank you Sarah.

I think you are doing well also. My opinion is that you just simply need to eat a lot and to rest after the 10 days until you are not tired anymore. :slight_smile: More training is good, but not all the time it has to be cycled. I would stop adding volume, it will allow your muscles to become more efficient and then on your heavy days you will be able to use more weight.

You are slow twitch dominate because of the volume you are used to. If you give your body time to adjust it will start using more muscle fibers to fire at once and you will soon be using more weight. Does that make sense? My wife was a distance runner and a soccer player and had the same problem, I’ve helped her go from 5ft 4in 110lbs “skinny fat” to 125lbs rock hard and from a size 6 to a size 4 bigger muscles great v shape.

What did you think of my idea for a training split while you are hiking so much?

[quote]sarah1 wrote:
StandTall wrote:
Day 5 or Day 15 last day of rest

240lbs approx 5lb weight gain. Some fat, not too much.

Arms measure the same just above 17 inches.

Calves same 17 inches

Neck same 17.25 inches

Thigh R up 1 inch to 27.5 L up 1.25 inch to 27.25

Sternum down .5 inch

Waist up .75 inch

Chest up from 44.5 to 45.5

Forearms same at 13.5 inches

all measurments unflexed except upper arm measurement.

I’m going to continue but I’ll be changing the exercises to emphasise “upper chest” arms and calves.

The great news is that my joints feel better although knee is still somewhat bothersome.

Wow! Congrats - great results so far!

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Here is my new plan to better accomplish my goals

day 1
1 legged dl opposite hand 3x6
Lunges 3x6
1 armed row 3x6
Incline DB press 3x6
DB curl Pinky 3x6
Calves Heavy

Day 2
Leaning laterals 2x6 to 9
Reverse Preacher curls 2x6 to 9
ez bar pull over and press 2x6 to 9

Day 3 3x9
1 leg dl db each hand
Step ups bar
1 armed row
Incline flyes
Db curl thumb
Floor press
calf raises

Day 4
chest supported laterals 2x9 to 12
Incline curls 2x9 to 12
2 purple band push ups 2x9 to 12

Day 5 3x12
Bulgarian Split squats
Dips
Face pulls
Rev. cable curls
Rev. extensions

Repeat then rest 5 days

[quote]sarah1 wrote:
Wow, I’m insanely hyper. How long can the effects of spike work? I took one this morning at 10 am. It’s 8 pm now and I’m wired. I can’t sit and work! I just run around and eat things even though I’m not hungry! How can I have this much energy on day 4 of this plan??

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Spike and rebound! You are doing well. I think it was a wise choice to add some Spike.

Saw the pic of your legs, great job!
Beautiful shape, if I may say so.

Keep eating!

Good luck,

marc