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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Aw Geeez, here’s another one:

A couple quick things:

I’m just going to pre-corroborate what he’s going to say. I don’t see anywhere where Professor X asked or even remotely implied that your personal medical records should be posted anywhere. That’s not even his style.

Second, you are going to collapse in a whimpering heap if you don’t calm down for your own good.

Third, nobody’s perfect, including Professor X. He doesn’t do everything the way I would, but he has a long reputation here along with a huge posting history for all to see. Whatever else you may say about him I’ve never seen anything to indicate I should suspect he’s a liar.

We’re talking about the possibility of rib cage expansion here, not a thermo-nuclear holocaust. You’re a smart guy, but you’re treating this point as if your children’s future depended on it.[/quote]

this shit between me and him is about other things; our current argument is merely a foil. this guy has been condescending me and attacking my character since i first started posting on this site. that’s no way to behave when someone says they might have a better way of doing things.

as for what he did or didn’t imply, he knows that as a layman, the only access i have to proof of ribcage expansion is my own medical records. he knows by reading my posts and my profile that i live out in the woods with my folks because of a debilitating photosensitivity disease, and that i have no access to medical journals or university libraries. so in essence, he’s implying that i should post my medical records in a public forum to “prove” ribcage expansion, which as a doctor, he has no business doing.

as for your insistence that this man is somehow credible or trustworthy, read my latest response to him.

as for calming down, i live for this shit. this is an everyday routine for me. it pumps my 'nads, and i turn that into a training advantage.

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Great thread everyone. I’m trusting your experience on a few things, in lieu of my own!

U need to chill though. This is not fascism. While i’m not a doctor, +haven’t read some things you refer to, i know many swimmers, who, while otherwise lithe, have broad shoulders (look ‘wide’). This may be proof of something, or coincidence, or whatever.

Please return to discussing fitness myths.

My own- ‘Just Fucking Eat’ is how i get fat very quickly.

The whole mylo and the bull (shit) story is so wrong

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I guarantee he didn’t walk into his last doctor’s office and ask for a photo ID and proof of credentials before he was treated. Does anyone want to place money on it?[/quote]

Although you never know with a guy like this. He probably cards the bartender before he’ll buy a beer from him.

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[quote]Mykayl wrote:

this shit between me and him is about other things; our current argument is merely a foil. this guy has been condescending me and attacking my character since i first started posting on this site. that’s no way to behave when someone says they might have a better way of doing things. [/quote]

What? I want you to find these posts that I have made to you before recently. I have avoided every post of yours in the past because you are very easy to read. That means you are lying about me attacking your character since you first posted on this site.

If that is true, go find some of these attacks. I’ll wait.

You are the one who quoted and first responded TO ME in this thread. If you didn’t want me to respond, why would you do that?

Are you really this insane? You can’t even look back a few pages and see that you are the one who first started the debate with me?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Mykayl wrote:

this shit between me and him is about other things; our current argument is merely a foil. this guy has been condescending me and attacking my character since i first started posting on this site. that’s no way to behave when someone says they might have a better way of doing things.

What? I want you to find these posts that I have made to you before recently. I have avoided every post of yours in the past because you are very easy to read. That means you are lying about me attacking your character since you first posted on this site.

If that is true, go find some of these attacks. I’ll wait.

You are the one who quoted and first responded TO ME in this thread. If you didn’t want me to respond, why would you do that?

Are you really this insane? You can’t even look back a few pages and see that you are the one who first started the debate with me?[/quote]

i went back to the starting point in this thread, and i see nothing that looks remotely like a debate kickoff. i merely stated what i knew from personal experience and the word of my doctors. you responded with the blanket challenge, “prove it”. as a doctor, it’s not your business to ask that of a layman. it’s your business to keep up with the medical facts.

you call yourself a doctor, but you don’t act like one. you politic like a schoolyard bully.

i’m not going to dig up a bunch of old posts; anyone even remotely interested can look that shit up. you started in on me in the Zane or Cutler thread. they can start there.

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X,

I wouldn’t pay this guy to much attention or listen to much that he says. I think you have earned enough respect on this board that this idiot will have no impact on what anyone thinks about you.

To the idiot,

I would pay attention to what this guy has to say. He is by far one of the smartest posters on this board and from what I have seen he is right on the money about 99% of the time (the other 1% when he is wrong is when he is walking the liberal side on the politic forum). Professor X has earned respect here. You on the other hand have had no supporters jump to your defense so I would estimate your respect level is ZERO. You should really move on to some other site to troll…

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I’ve been a member of these boards for less than a week and I can already tell whos two cents is actually worth a damn…

I def admire X for remaining pretty much calm during this whole thing, while the other guy constantly insists upon throwing out vulgarities and unproven claims as well as 3rd grade insults.

Not sure how you guys feel about this one, but is the whole “ATG is bad for your knees” thing a myth? I like to think it is.

Stopping at 90 seems to hurt a hell of a lot more than going past it.

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Mykayl = psycho

This site attracts more brain damaged nutcases than anywhere else in cyberspace.

WooHoo!

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[quote]Mykayl wrote:
<<< as a doctor, it’s not your business to ask that of a layman. it’s your business to keep up with the medical facts.

you call yourself a doctor, but you don’t act like one. you politic like a schoolyard bully. >>>

[/quote]

How the hell is it your business to tell him or anybody else what their business is? On an internet forum? You sound like a pampered, spoiled little brat who’s used to having people jump when he throws a tantrum.

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So I guess if anyone has followed this thread as long as me they’ve been reading Mykayl’s and the Prof’s ribcage dispute. I hope I can just use this as a jumping off point to answer a question I have about bones. I’ve been under the impression that bones and tissue besides skeletal muscle breaks down during lifting and is rebuilt to become stronger than it was before. If muscle doesn’t even do this, I guess I’m really fucked. Anyway, the idea of a person’s bones physically changing as a result of weight training makes sense to me. Olympic weightlifters must not have their legs break for a reason when they catch a 500 pound load from a snatch. A reason besides genetics and muscles acting as shock absorption.

So does anyone know about what happens to bones and other tissue aside from muscles as a result of the damage weight lifting does? Or can you point me to a post about it?

Oh. And why do pullovers when you can do power straights?

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[quote]SkinnySwimmer wrote:
So I guess if anyone has followed this thread as long as me they’ve been reading Mykayl’s and the Prof’s ribcage dispute. I hope I can just use this as a jumping off point to answer a question I have about bones. I’ve been under the impression that bones and tissue besides skeletal muscle breaks down during lifting and is rebuilt to become stronger than it was before. If muscle doesn’t even do this, I guess I’m really fucked. Anyway, the idea of a person’s bones physically changing as a result of weight training makes sense to me. Olympic weightlifters must not have their legs break for a reason when they catch a 500 pound load from a snatch. A reason besides genetics and muscles acting as shock absorption.

So does anyone know about what happens to bones and other tissue aside from muscles as a result of the damage weight lifting does? Or can you point me to a post about it?

Oh. And why do pullovers when you can do power straights?

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The change to bone from lifting weights is cumulative and takes years. There is more calcification at the attachment of tendon to bone making the bones thicker/harder over time especially in those areas. This is why weight lifting should be promoted in older individuals, not discouraged even though no one should expect them to lift like 20 year olds. I wouldn’t think of the changes in bone as being the same as the changes in tendon…which is a much slower changing process than changes in muscle. You aren’t trying to “break down” tendons and bone when training. This could lead to severe injury. Muscle on the other hand is injured during training if the intensity is high enough. It is believed the repair process is a contributor to hypertrophy.

That is about as simple as that process can be explained…because it isn’t simple at all. Bottom line is, while there are changes to bone at muscle attachments over years, expecting some extensive change in tendon and cartilage length is taking a concept and running it through a blender.

You might be better off simply picking up an anatomy/phys book and reading on these topics yourself just so you have a base of knowledge. It would take pages just to explain what osteocytes/osteoblasts are and what they do.

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I recall this bit from my reading way back when, and it seems what I read here at T-Nation calls it a myth. Is this a certified myth or not?

You should train on an empty stomach or at least 30-45 minutes after eating because blood needs to be available for the muscle, not in the stomach carrying nutrients away.

Considering peri workout drinks are strongly recommended here, I assume this is a myth, but I am looking for affirmation.

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I have read several times that working larger muscles groups like your thighs, chest, back, makes your body produce more testosterone. So if you do squats and some arm curls, because of the added testosterone your arms will grow bigger. However I am not sure if you actually have to do the arm curls on the same day, or if you can do it a day for two after.
Who knows

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[quote]Damici wrote:
“You’re probably overtraining.”

No you’re not.[/quote]

Actually, you probably are. I either partially tore or badly strained my left bicep from “not overtraining.”

It can and does happen more than you think.

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[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
Damici wrote:
“You’re probably overtraining.”

No you’re not.

Actually, you probably are. I either partially tore or badly strained my left bicep from “not overtraining.”

It can and does happen more than you think.[/quote]

Acute injuries are not overtraining.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Damici wrote:
“You’re probably overtraining.”

No you’re not.

Actually, you probably are. I either partially tore or badly strained my left bicep from “not overtraining.”

It can and does happen more than you think.

Acute injuries are not overtraining.[/quote]
When the volume suddely increased to 160 pull ups from maybe 50 a workout, it’s overtraining…overuse. Whatever you want to call it.

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[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Damici wrote:
“You’re probably overtraining.”

No you’re not.

Actually, you probably are. I either partially tore or badly strained my left bicep from “not overtraining.”

It can and does happen more than you think.

Acute injuries are not overtraining.
When the volume suddely increased to 160 pull ups from maybe 50 a workout, it’s overtraining…overuse. Whatever you want to call it.
[/quote]

Overuse is not overtraining. Overuse implies you overloaded the muscle too much over a period of time and frankly, anyone who has lifted weights for more than a couple of months should be able to tell the difference between “good pain” and “here comes an injury pain”. Why would someone suddenly triple the work for one exercise like that unless they simply didn’t know what they were doing? 160 pull ups? That was all you were doing that day?

You don’t blame injuries from retarded training practices on “overtraining”. You blame it on POOR PLANNING and a POOR CONCEPT OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO REACH YOUR GOAL.

Overtraining is chronic condition from several causes. Most of those include poor nutrition, training too long, and not resting enough between workouts. That term is also very overUSED. If some guy is feeling worn down…but he is only eating 1,500cals a day, do you really blame “overtraining” ir do you blame him for not understanding the fuel needs for his own body?

If I tear a muscle because I went to the gym and did 5,765 dips for no damn reason, that isn’t “overtraining”…that’s stupidity.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Damici wrote:
“You’re probably overtraining.”

No you’re not.

Actually, you probably are. I either partially tore or badly strained my left bicep from “not overtraining.”

It can and does happen more than you think.

Acute injuries are not overtraining.
When the volume suddely increased to 160 pull ups from maybe 50 a workout, it’s overtraining…overuse. Whatever you want to call it.

Overuse is not overtraining. Overuse implies you overloaded the muscle too much over a period of time and frankly, anyone who has lifted weights for more than a couple of months should be able to tell the difference between “good pain” and “here comes an injury pain”. Why would someone suddenly triple the work for one exercise like that unless they simply didn’t know what they were doing? 160 pull ups? That was all you were doing that day?

You don’t blame injuries from retarded training practices on “overtraining”. You blame it on POOR PLANNING and a POOR CONCEPT OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO REACH YOUR GOAL.

Overtraining is chronic condition from several causes. Most of those include poor nutrition, training too long, and not resting enough between workouts. That term is also very overUSED. If some guy is feeling worn down…but he is only eating 1,500cals a day, do you really blame “overtraining” ir do you blame him for not understanding the fuel needs for his own body?

If I tear a muscle because I went to the gym and did 5,765 dips for no damn reason, that isn’t “overtraining”…that’s stupidity.[/quote]
My pull up routine is not stupid and it has a clearly defined purpose: I’m doing high volume so that I can do more pull ups. I want to be able to do more than 25 dead-hang pull ups in one shot, for the Marine Corps physical fitness test.

I’ve done workouts where I did huge volume, so I don’t know if the extra jump in volume is to blame for my bicep tweak, or if it’s because I’ve been hitting the bicep on too many consecutive workouts.

Overtraining.

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[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Damici wrote:
“You’re probably overtraining.”

No you’re not.

Actually, you probably are. I either partially tore or badly strained my left bicep from “not overtraining.”

It can and does happen more than you think.

Acute injuries are not overtraining.
When the volume suddely increased to 160 pull ups from maybe 50 a workout, it’s overtraining…overuse. Whatever you want to call it.
[/quote]

dhuge67,

No, that would be an acute injury. I know that in a later post you mentioned that you believed it could have also occurred from using your biceps in too many consecutive workouts. But, you can’t more than triple your workload/volume in 1 workout, hurt yourself, and then blame that on overtraining.

I’ve worked out my biceps for 4 consecutive workouts (which occurred in a 48 hour period) and never had problems with hurting my biceps. And, yes I was lifting hard (one of the exercises was 1 arm chin negatives). However, I had slowly worked up to the point where my body’s work capacity could handle this kind of workload. And I certainly wasn’t trying to triple my workload in a single workout.

As prof X stated, overtraining is a chronic condition (meaning that it occurs over a long period of time) where as what happened to you was the result of a sudden, excessive increase in volume; an acute condition.

Are you suggesting that if someone who was used to deadlifting 150 lbs went out one day and attempted to try to pick up their SUV’s rear end and wound up hurting their back; you could blame that on overtraining?

Good training,

Sentoguy

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Quick question on the whole “Pecs don’t have diferent zones” thing:

I noticed that when I started doing dips I would get sorness in the entire region of my pecs where as push ups, butterflies and benching mainly gave me soreness along the outside of my pectorials.

Is this something others have experienced and how does that it in with the idea that the pectorials can only be attacked wholisticly?