[quote]K-Narf wrote:
Professor X wrote:
But…how do I train my “inner pecs”?
I think you should worry more about training your left abs…[/quote]
The scariest part of this is before I found this place I used to go on the UK Mens Health forum.
Someone posted saying their abs weren’t symmetrical and asked if there was anything he could do about it.
The response:
“Have you tried doing Russian Twists just on that side?”
[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
I’ve done workouts where I did huge volume, so I don’t know if the extra jump in volume is to blame for my bicep tweak, or if it’s because I’ve been hitting the bicep on too many consecutive workouts.
Overtraining.
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I’m claiming no scientific consensus for this definition, but this is my considered opinion of what overTRAINING means. Copied and pasted from another thread out of laziness:
[quote]This is how I would define overtraining. Not undereating, not undersleeping, not too many other activities. Those things are those things.
Overtraining is when, despite all other requirements being adequately met, your volume, intensity or frequency, or any combination of the 3, places a greater demand than it’s possible to supercompensate for over time.[/quote]
The state of being overtrained is the consequence of the above practice, again, in my opinion which is certainly not necessarily the final word.
Even if you dismiss my definitions out of hand, yours is the first I’ve seen where someone persists in the belief that injury is overtraining.
I agree with your definition Trib. Dhuge, you heard of greasing the groove? Search for it at dragondoor.com (or .net, i can’t remember), it sounds just right for your pullup mission
I believe the only way to expand a ribcage would be diaphragmatic breathing, but only if the intercostal muscles were extremely shortened. You would be getting back what you should have had in the first place.
I love this website. oh and mykakl or whatever ur name is…nobody likes you.
according to my count, weve got about 4 weeks till crazy boy posts the pictures of him strething out that 2XL tench coat.
BULLSHIT.
–JB
[quote]Professor X wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
Pullovers after squatting to expand the ribcage.
I didn’t even know this was a myth. Who on Earth thought that you could increase the size of your skeletal structure?
Pullovers may expand the ribcage up until about the age of 21-22.
Why? Why would pull overs alone expand your rib cage? It is a lat movement. The serratus anteriors are worked as well as the abs to a large degree. There is no reason why that movement should permenantly distort your rib cage. That’s like saying reaching for cookies on the top shelf daily will make your arms longer up until the age of 22. It makes no sense and people simply latched onto it because Arnold said it.[/quote]
Despite that fact, its still a great movement to use. I just added it to my arsenal for back yesterday, and I defintely got a hint of residual DOMS from it (with only 2 sets of 12-15 reps taken to 95% exertion)
[quote]unearth wrote:
Mykayl = psycho
This site attracts more brain damaged nutcases than anywhere else in cyberspace.
WooHoo![/quote]
Bodybuilding.com anyone? That whole site is run by a bunch of cuckoos!
[quote]dpguitar wrote:
3. I also know some people who belive eating one meal a day is good for them to loose weight.[/quote]
it is believe and it is lose.
You spelled stupid correctly though. hmmm
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Sorry guys, I didn’t really read the whole thread carefully enough to notice that the pullover-ribcage issue has been such a hot topic.
I do believe the ribcage can be enlarged through exercises like the pullover or swimming. Besides myself, I know a couple of guys personally who did just that.
Anyone who happens to have some swimmers in their family knows how well this sport can widen the thorax - probably by increasing lung capacity.
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how can someone whose ribcage grew claim it to have happened because of pullovers or swimming, or anything for that matter.
I blinked and the stoplight turned green. Therefore, my blinking changed the light
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Mykayl wrote:
actually, pullovers done with a dumbbell for the stretch and with deep breathing will stretch the cartilage and other connective tissues of any person who does them frequently enough.
Prove it.[/quote]
and if it happens, is that necessarily a good thing?
[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
Mykayl wrote:
Professor X wrote:
well, i give you props for being an educated professional. that still doesn’t explain why my chiropractor told me what he did, and why he seemed to know so much about it.
^…^
A chiropractor also told me to stop doing military presses and start doing laterals instead, and to stop deadlifting because it would leave me with a bad back for the rest of my life. He also told me that I had a fused bone in my back, and that I had to curve the upper part of my spine more or the upper back/neck area would soon collapse. He seemed to know so much about it. The MD laughed at his creative conditions.
Take anything a chiropractor says with a grain of salt. [/quote]
Dear painter,
You used too broad of a brush for the job.
[quote]playmaker08 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
But…how do I train my “inner pecs”?
heavy barbell bench press on a swissball, duh[/quote]
lmao
what about ‘if you eat 7 protein shakes a day its better than a couple whole food high protein meals’?
or ’ a multi vitamin isnt a necessity ’
on the first post it, for number 7 it says dont lift heavy weights or youll get bulky, and on number ten it says lifting heavy weights wont build muscle just strength. lol, nice job finding contradicting myths, whats funny is people believe both of them at the same time.
I agree…
I however like the pullover machine…
I do both just change it up from time to time.
Solid
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
I blinked and the stoplight turned green. Therefore, my blinking changed the light[/quote]
deep
I always liked your posts…
[quote]HvRv wrote:
I’m doing a list of training, supplement and diet myths and so far all I’ve got is this:
So I need more good stuff to put on my list. Enlighten me…[/quote]
Some of these are, indeed, myths. Others are perfectly valid advice which have gotten a bad rap online.
“The best indicators of a good workout are how tired you are after the workout and how sore you are the next day”
Localized DOMs is a pretty damn good indicator of the effectiveness of a workout (unless you’re an athlete). If nothing else, soreness tells you that you actually hit the muscles that you were trying to target. Considering how many people have no idea how to target their muscles, this is pretty useful.
“Strength training will stunt the growth of children”
All strength training exercises? Certainly not. But heavy, spine-loading exercises will. You shouldn’t get under or in between anything heavy if you’re still growing. No squats, leg press, standing calf, or military press.
“Lifting light weights for high reps will ‘shape and tone’ your muscles”
May not be true in theory, but it IS in practice. The reason: people using lighter weights for higher reps tend to use better form and have more intense muscular contractions. There is also greater sarcoplasmic hypertrophy with higher reps. So the “myth” is actually true.
“Don’t use heavy weights because you’ll bulk up too much”
Heavy weight lifting for an extended period of time will bulk somebody up. For some people, that is detrimental. For others, it is ideal.
“Protein is bad for your kidneys”
Anything you put in your body adds to the net load on your system. Protein, in-and-of-itself, may not be “bad” for the kidneys, but eating 300 grams a day certainly adds an additional load to your system.
“Heavy weights and low reps won’t build muscle, just strength”
By and large, heavy lifting doesn’t build visible muscle. Intense muscular contractions build muscle. Everyone who lifts heavy started out big. There is not a person alive who started out as a skinny runt and transformed themselves into a meathead by doing compound lifts alone. If you do this experiment, you have to control for diet. A lot of guys bulk up by eating a ton and they convince themselves that it’s the compound lifts that are doing it. It isn’t. Have someone lift heavy and keep their diet the same. They will have the exact same physique after 3 mnths, 6 mnths, 1 year.
“Squats are bad for your knees”
Compared to other exercises, they are. There’s simply more strain on the knee capsule in a squat than a leg press, 9 times out of 10. Don’t talk to me about PL vs. Oly stance, depth and all that bullshit. Nobody outside of Ohio does that crap.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Don’t talk to me about PL vs. Oly stance, depth and all that bullshit. Nobody outside of Ohio does that crap. [/quote]
I do.
how about this myth
“I train westside”
Very few people do, compared with those that claim to, and they are there at that gym.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
HvRv wrote:
I’m doing a list of training, supplement and diet myths and so far all I’ve got is this:
So I need more good stuff to put on my list. Enlighten me…
Some of these are, indeed, myths. Others are perfectly valid advice which have gotten a bad rap online.
“The best indicators of a good workout are how tired you are after the workout and how sore you are the next day”
Localized DOMs is a pretty damn good indicator of the effectiveness of a workout (unless you’re an athlete). If nothing else, soreness tells you that you actually hit the muscles that you were trying to target. Considering how many people have no idea how to target their muscles, this is pretty useful.
“Strength training will stunt the growth of children”
All strength training exercises? Certainly not. But heavy, spine-loading exercises will. You shouldn’t get under or in between anything heavy if you’re still growing. No squats, leg press, standing calf, or military press.
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Where did you hear that? The myth I heard was that weight-training will make your growth plates fuse early. The fact is that running can exert up to 6x bodyweight forces on your bones, not to mention something like tackling in pee-wee football. And how come so many farm-boys are so big. My dad grew up on a ranch and he used to pack 100 lb feed bags on his shoulders up a hill and he is 6’4". My cousing grew up in the same kind of situation, and he is 6’5". I think that heavy spine loading could, or at least heavy “work”(could be lifting weights) could help to stimulate growth. I grew 2 inches after I started lifting when I was 18. It could of just been a latent growth spurt, but at the least it has no effect.[quote]
“Lifting light weights for high reps will ‘shape and tone’ your muscles”
May not be true in theory, but it IS in practice. The reason: people using lighter weights for higher reps tend to use better form and have more intense muscular contractions. There is also greater sarcoplasmic hypertrophy with higher reps. So the “myth” is actually true.
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People who use lighter weights tend to have shitty form, or have it deteriorate as th set progresses. And I was under the impression that how “intense” a muscular contraction is, is a function of how much force the muscle is exerting. So that means either moving a lighter weight faster or a heavier weight as fast as possible is the only way to create a more intense contraction.
Bulking up is more a function of eating more
The system adapts, is squatting bad for your bones. No, in fact heavy resistance training (IE squatting) has been shown to actually improve bone density. Why wouldn’t the kydneys do the same? It has only been shown to be bad for people with kidneys that are failing already.
So heavy weights will bulk you up but won’t build muscle? If someone who is doing the 3x8 hypertrophy scheme with dropsets and all that, will they gain weight if they dont eat more? Maybe someone should of told POW’s(or that kid who was starved by his host family in Egypt) to do a hypertrophy program while they aren’t eating to keep their mass. How is someone having a “more intense muscular contraction” with half of a 1 RM versus as much as they can lift? How you lift isnt nearly as important as putting effort in to whatever it is that you are doing, being consistant, and eating enough to gain weight. It’s really very simple.
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“Squats are bad for your knees”
Compared to other exercises, they are. There’s simply more strain on the knee capsule in a squat than a leg press, 9 times out of 10. Don’t talk to me about PL vs. Oly stance, depth and all that bullshit. Nobody outside of Ohio does that crap. [/quote]
Where did you hear that? Is it because your knee’s hurt from squatting? That is because you are doing them wrong. Instruction from your ACE certified trainer isn’t going to help, 9 times out of 10. Strain on your ligaments and connective tissue(not cartilage) will build them up, making them less prone to injury, however faulty form will likely put your connective tissues in a disadvantagous situation, and when enough weight is added they may not be able to handle it.