[quote]Mykayl wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Mykayl wrote:
if you want to argue that ribcage expansion isn’t possible, talk to ellington darden. i’m sure that he could provide you with all sorts of documentation, or refer you to someone who can.
Ellington Darden is a PhD not an MD or any other title that involves invasive procedures on patients and includes even one dissection of a corpse or prescription of medicine. There is a rather large difference between the two. Beyond that, if he had proof of ribcage expansion, you would have easily presented it. If you believe that name dropping somehow makes you correct when you haven’t even produced a quote, you make me wonder why you are…trying so half assed.
look, i’m not going to post my private medical records in a public forum. as a doctor, you have no business asking or implying that i should do that. until you confirm your identity and credentials, i’m not going to believe one way or the other anything you have to say.
as for “proof”, look at numerous before and after pics of old-school bodybuilders; you can see the difference in ribcage width in a lot of them. people stopped doing vacuum poses for a reason, you know. all the guys who used them did chest expansion exercises, which most modern bodybuilders don’t do because they believe that ribcage expansion is a “myth”. some myth…
i also found stuff online that supports the fact that expansion exercises are used to treat mild cases of pectus excavatum, and i saw before and after pics proving their effectiveness. if it’s possible to make a mildly sunken chested person look normal with such exercises, then it’s possible to expand a normal ribcage enough to make a man appear larger chested.
here’s an excerpt from the article, “Blasting Chest Development To New Levels”, by rick streb:
"From an anecdotal standpoint, I believe it works because I have seen it. From a physiological standpoint, it stands to reason that it’s possible because bone is a very active tissue constantly being remade and can change depending on the stresses placed upon it.
Pullovers have even been used by doctors to successfully treat mild cases of pectus excavatum (sunken chest). All would agree the most dramatic improvements are possible by those whose bones are still ossifying (changing from cartilage to bone). Young bodybuilders, typically those under about 21 years of age, can significantly increase their rib cage size with consistent training specific for this area. The best rib cage expander I know is the pullover."
apparently this guy consulted a physician before writing that article, seeing as how he mentions pectus excavatum therapy.
a quote from “Classic Rib-Cage Development”, by Ellington Darden:
“Muscle, tendon, cartilage, and other connective tissues are more easily stretched and expanded during the developmental years. Thus, a teenager can more readily enlarge his rib cage than can an adult. This is not to say that rib-cage expansion can’t be done after maturity. It just takes more concentrated work.”
i asked Dr. Darden about it, and he said that he didn’t know of any documentation of exercise-induced ribcage expansion, and that it was only his personal experience. now as a PhD, why would he say that it works if he had some medical knowledge that ribcage expansion is physiologically impossible? he’s not some dumb cracker who believes in magic elves. he was a competitive bodybuilder, he worked for nautilus for 40 years, he’s written dozens of books, he’s trained and documented the results of hundreds of individuals, and he’s seen numerous examples of such structural modification, both in his test subjects and fellow competitors. you don’t need an x-ray to see several inches of ribcage expansion in either a teen or adult trainer. according to what i’ve been reading at his site, his new book shows before and after pics of some adult trainers who visibly show evidence of a widened ribcage as a result of training. purchasers of the book have even commented on it in his forums.
i don’t have to personally “prove” anything to you, because it’s something you should be able to verify via your own education and research. if you really are a doctor, then you have access to all sorts of information that i don’t have access to. the burden of proof isn’t on the layman, it’s on the person claiming credentialed authority. it’s neither my obligation nor my place to offer clinical proof of anything.
as for the rest of you naysayers, read some books, do some internet searches, talk to your physicians, and learn to think for yourselves. believing that this flaming fucktard is a doctor without verifying his identity and credentials is like believing in the easter bunny. you all demand proof of a personal testimonial from me, but you don’t ask this moron for proof of a claim to educated authority? what the fuck is wrong with you people? you must all believe in magic elves or some shit…[/quote]
You really are bat-shit crazy, aren’t you? You want me to post my driver’s license and a copy of my degree on the internet? Exactly how stupid would that be? That is the ONLY way anyone you don’t know would somehow prove their credentials to you unless you knew them personally. With that in mind, you should be asking for the driver’s licenses of every author and contributor of this web site. That would be the ONLY way to tell whether every single one of them is lying or not about their credentials. According to you, everyone is crazy if they don’t ask for this info. How do you know that Ellington Darden is truly a PhD? Have you seen his degree?
No? Well then, he must be lying.
You and anyone else who has such a hard time believing what I do for a living after being on this board for the past six years can believe what you want to believe. Why would I risk that level of identity theft on a web site where YOU aren’t even using your real first and last name with middle initials?
In fact, you first.
Post your full name, address and telephone number and THEN you can complain about how much info everyone else isn’t willing to give.
Your move.