[quote]BrickHead wrote:
You’re trying to communicate with someone who doesn’t give a rat’s ass about what anyone says, EVER! He once told me that he learned nothing from reading more than dozens of articles on training by CT. [/quote]
To his credit (?), learning from CT’s articles actually requires a bit of thought.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
You’re trying to communicate with someone who doesn’t give a rat’s ass about what anyone says, EVER! He once told me that he learned nothing from reading more than dozens of articles on training by CT. [/quote]
To his credit (?), learning from CT’s articles actually requires a bit of thought.[/quote]
Literal LULZ from this post.
I also suggested he reading some of the hundreds of articles on figure training because his woman wants to compete and he said he learned nothing.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
you’re on a split that neglects certain bodyparts, yet you’re worried about test fluctuations during workouts[/quote]
How is 5x5 flat bench,5x5 incline bench,5x5 shoulder press with 5x10 face pulls neglecting shoulders?Most people I talk to always tell me my shoulders will burn out/get injured on this program;I have never heard the other way around hah
[quote]LoRez wrote:
You were concerned about the T drop when your workout takes longer than 45-60 minutes, and you were wondering how to deal with that with your full-body workout.
So I told you how I dealt with the situation, by transforming my 2-3x week full-body workout into a shorter split, so I could have shorter workout sessions and maintain the weekly volume and exercise selection. In a given week, the workout stimulus is the exact same as what I was doing.
Then, you said that illness is a problem if you go to the gym more frequently than 3x a week. So I addressed that.
But it sounds like you actually have no interest in doing anything to address your concern about T dropping if you workout too long. My bad for trying to help find a solution that shortened your workout (to avoid the T drop) without fundamentally changing your routine.[/quote]
Ah ok,I must have read your suggested split wrong then,because what I had read only had the muscles trained 2x a week if I remember correctly,with some of them 3x.
Yeah I’m just going to go with what everybody has been saying about “not worrying”.Will continue carrying out the 3 FB sessions a week.
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
Off topic but,
agreed with the “split that neglects certain bodyparts”(imo particularly the shoulders). Although, if you’re progressing by all means.
but to the workout time thing as long as you are eating enough, sleeping enough and take enough days off who cares. You take more off days than you workout(4 FUCKING days a week) I’m sure your testosterone has no trouble rebounding with a schedule like this.
look at it this way, there are some extreme athletes that have a decent build that workout 2-3 times a day and sometimes for a combined total of 4-8 hours a day including mma fighters, decathalon athletes shit like that. I mean I’ve known an amature strong man who works out a couple hours a day most days a week along with endurance runs and basket ball games.
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These are all valid points.Only thing I am once again confused by is how my shoulders are being neglected between a 5x5 Flat Bench,5x5 Incline Bench,and 5x5 Shoulder Press with 5x10 face pulls at the end.Most peoples always tell me my Shoulders are going to get injured and will not recover in time from this,yet this is the first time I’m hearing that it’s actually neglecting them lol =p
Just tack about 90 lateral raises and 90 rear raises in sets of 30 on to that and your shoulders will be fine. Lateral delts need more volume than 5x5 press.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Just tack about 90 lateral raises and 90 rear raises in sets of 30 on to that and your shoulders will be fine. Lateral delts need more volume than 5x5 press.[/quote]
Ok,but do you realize I am doing almost 100 reps of face pulls every session?
[quote]EthanETE wrote:
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
Off topic but,
agreed with the “split that neglects certain bodyparts”(imo particularly the shoulders). Although, if you’re progressing by all means.
but to the workout time thing as long as you are eating enough, sleeping enough and take enough days off who cares. You take more off days than you workout(4 FUCKING days a week) I’m sure your testosterone has no trouble rebounding with a schedule like this.
look at it this way, there are some extreme athletes that have a decent build that workout 2-3 times a day and sometimes for a combined total of 4-8 hours a day including mma fighters, decathalon athletes shit like that. I mean I’ve known an amature strong man who works out a couple hours a day most days a week along with endurance runs and basket ball games.
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These are all valid points.Only thing I am once again confused by is how my shoulders are being neglected between a 5x5 Flat Bench,5x5 Incline Bench,and 5x5 Shoulder Press with 5x10 face pulls at the end.Most peoples always tell me my Shoulders are going to get injured and will not recover in time from this,yet this is the first time I’m hearing that it’s actually neglecting them lol =p[/quote]
Your anterior delt gets much engagement, like probably too much ha. but anyways you should add some lateral raises fulls and or partials, bent over lateral raises and such or other shoulder type stuff.
you can never lateral raise enough
[quote]EthanETE wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Just tack about 90 lateral raises and 90 rear raises in sets of 30 on to that and your shoulders will be fine. Lateral delts need more volume than 5x5 press.[/quote]
Ok,but do you realize I am doing almost 100 reps of face pulls every session?[/quote]
didnt see that
your routine does not say facepulls anywhere on it
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
Your anterior delt gets much engagement, like probably too much ha. but anyways you should add some lateral raises fulls and or partials, bent over lateral raises and such or other shoulder type stuff.
you can never lateral raise enough[/quote]
Haha yeah. Ok, I just figured the 5x20 face pulls would cover the side & rear delts amidst everything else I do(btw it is 5x20,idk why I wrote 5x10 earlier,wrote it in a rush).
I guess I can drop the face pulls and just do like 5x20+ side raise superset with 5x20+ rear raise.
OP, I think you’d like DC training.
You’re right jskrabac, I read the principles of DC and I love it. The problem is I have always been a frequency junkie because the RP5x5 got me hooked; and I figure why change a program that’s not already broken heh. If I start to stall on strength, I might make the change,but yeah I really would love that kind of training
Your shoulder routine seems solid to me. Especially considering the face pulls.
[quote]EthanETE wrote:
Full Body Training[M-W-F]
2 Chest,2 Legs,2 Back,1 Shoulder,1 Bicep,1 Tricep,1 Ab,1 Calf
Incline Bench 5x5
Flat Bench 5x5
Front Squat 5x5
Back Squat 5x5
Barbell Row 5x5
Weighted Chins 5x5
Shoulder Press 5x5
Tricep Curl 5x10
Bicep Curl 5x10
Cable Crunch 5x10
Calf Press 5x20
[5x5 means 2 warmups,3 working sets; warmup sets have short break - work sets are 1.5-3minutes]
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A routine like that is ridiculous in the first place IMHO. It looks like you took a laundry list of exercises and added some rep schemes to them. Just because you’re trying to do full body training doesn’t mean you have to do a million different exercises every session. If you want my input, I’d make it look something like this…
Workout A:
Back Squat 5x5
Weighted Chin 5x5
Incline OR Shoulder Press: 5x5
Calf Press 5x20
Workout B:
Flat Bench 5x5
Back OR Front Squat 5x5
Facepull or Laterals/Rear Delts 5x10 or whatever
Bicep Curl 5x10
Tricep Curl 5x10
Workout C:
Back OR Front Squat 5x5
Barbell Row 5x5
Incline OR Shoulder Press 5x5
Cable Crunch 5x10
^On a tri-weekly schedule.
Also, the fact that your thinking of it in terms of “2 Chest,2 Legs,2 Back,1 Shoulder,1 Bicep,1 Tricep,1 Ab,1 Calf” contradicts the notion of full body training IMO. Squats and benches aren’t “just” leg and chest exercises. You can cover a LOT of ground just by focusing on a lower body lift, an upper body pressing lift, and some type of pulling each session. Seriously. Compounds go a long way.
BUT, if that is in fact working for you right now, and you have the time for it, then fair enough. Just keep in mind for the future. I doubt something like that will be sustainable the further along you go. Just my .02 cents.
[quote]xjusticex2013x wrote:
Squats and benches aren’t “just” leg and chest exercises. You can cover a LOT of ground just by focusing on a lower body lift, an upper body pressing lift, and some type of pulling each session. Seriously. Compounds go a long way.
BUT, if that is in fact working for you right now, and you have the time for it, then fair enough. Just keep in mind for the future. I doubt something like that will be sustainable the further along you go. Just my .02 cents.[/quote]
^^this
[quote]xjusticex2013x wrote:
[quote]EthanETE wrote:
Full Body Training[M-W-F]
2 Chest,2 Legs,2 Back,1 Shoulder,1 Bicep,1 Tricep,1 Ab,1 Calf
Incline Bench 5x5
Flat Bench 5x5
Front Squat 5x5
Back Squat 5x5
Barbell Row 5x5
Weighted Chins 5x5
Shoulder Press 5x5
Tricep Curl 5x10
Bicep Curl 5x10
Cable Crunch 5x10
Calf Press 5x20
[5x5 means 2 warmups,3 working sets; warmup sets have short break - work sets are 1.5-3minutes]
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A routine like that is ridiculous in the first place IMHO. It looks like you took a laundry list of exercises and added some rep schemes to them.[/quote]
Actually it’s not random,nor are the rep schemes random.
I took Reg Parks exact routine he published in his book for bodybuilders to use in PHASE3 of their training,and have used it for over a year with great strength results. It’s on T-Nation as well if you haven’t seen it:
All the exercises are the same,except I swapped the Standing Military Press for High Incline Bench.So yeah it’s not random whatsoever.
Yeah a lot of people wonder how it is sustainable.I agree it is hard,but it seems normal to me because that’s all I knew and did for over a year,and I just followed the footsteps of how people trained in the old days.Haha you should have seen some of his routines as he transitioned into the 1950’s-1960’s. It was absolutely insane.
Here’s an example of one in the 1950’s done 3x a week:
Squats: 5 x 10 x 400 lbs.
Bench Press: 3 x 10 x 320 lbs., 2 x 10 x 350 lbs.
Dumbbell Bench Presses: 5 x 10 x 140 lbs.
Dips Between Chairs: 5 x 12 (with resistance added)
Cheat Barbell Curls: 5 x 10 x 190 lbs.
Swing Bell Curls: 4 x 10 x 170 lbs.
Triceps Extensions on Bench: 5 x 10 x 170 lbs.
French Presses: 5 x 10 x 170 lbs.
Calf Exercises - Donkey Raises: 5 sets
Chins with Extra 60 Lbs. Attached to his Waist
Abdominal Work
Ethan,
It is impossible that you have done that routine as long as you say. Why a mere 3 WEEKS AGO you posted this:
[i]I start leg training with Front Squats 3x5 working sets
Then I do Back Squats 2x5 working sets
After this I have been doing 2 sets of leg press 10 reps with complete control,no bouncing.
I am adding in Leg Extensions for sets of 15-30 here and there, but mostly just sticking with doing the above 3 three times a week (wed-fri-sun) [/i]
Here: http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/?id=313117#myForums/thread/5368937/2
I don’t know anybody that over the course of 1 year and 9 months has never changed their routine several times due to Training ADD or simply wanting to test the waters. But that’s like telling Dusty Hanshaw he doesn’t train DC(DoggCrap training) just because he frequently DOES do high volume bodybuilder style training[watch his youtube videos…there are times he doesn’t even do DC]; yet 70%+ of his training minimum is DC.