come on, this is getting ridiculous.
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
Xen Nova wrote:
As a point of note, Europeans won 8 of 9 weight classes at the recent IPF Worlds.
-Dan[/quote]
I think this hits the nail on the head.
I think T-Nation is interactive, so of course it is better than the Pavel book or any other book, but the European guys are better than the guys who post here. The guys who post here are great though.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Chris Aus wrote:
I never stated that he was one of the best strength coaches in the ‘nation’…
You are doing it again Chirs (reading comp is not one of your strong suits-Ah so what I bet you can lift heavy kettlebells).
You have to pay attention to what is actually written on the screen (forgive my tone but at this point you have it coming).
Ironically, I was reminding you then that you were not paying attention. This is exactly what I wrote in my last post to you:
"Now Chirs you will have to wake up and pay better attention to the thread if you are going to dive in here with sort of an attitude. reconyah stated: “Pavel is one of the best strength coache’s in the nation…”
See? I never said that YOU stated Pavel was one of the best strength coache’s in the nation.
Are we clear on that one? Will come up again on yet another of your absurd posts?
Was Siff one of the nations best strength coaches? Who did he train??? Or is he just a strength researcher?
I never stated that Siff was one of the best strength coache’s in the nation. Therefore, I feel no need to defend him as such. In fact I never stated that any one particular coach was “one of the greatest strength coache’s in the nation.”
who has Tate trained exactly? Most of the westside guys are trained by Louie Simmons…
State for certain which ones that were trained by Tate and NOT Simmons please…
I thought that was a fair question and you made me curious, so I called Elite and asked. A gentleman by the name of Jim Wendler (I hope I spelled it properly) answered the phone. He was kind enough to point out that Dave Tate “had a hand in training just about every single champion who came from Westside” (during the years that he was there). My sense from the conversation was that some he spent a great deal of time with and some not as much.
That by the way included Mr. Wendler himself who happens to squat 1000lbs. and Bench Press 675lbs. And needless to say has won many championships!
Does that make Dave Tate “one of the best strength coache’s in the nation?” I don’t know, but it puts him much further up the line in credibility as he actually has many trainees walking around who have won championships in major events.
The phone number for Elite is 1-888-854-8806. Please call and ask yourself if you doubt my word.
No one should ever doubt that Dave Tate is not only tremendously strong, but has helped many, many others to achieve record breaking lifts at a world class level!
Which thread have I been reading? Which thread have you been reading… I stated at the start that it was more in response to your continual and tiring attacks… So no some of what im saying doesnt apply to what you stated in this thread but your general comments about him on other threads too.
You have checked this thread and find no daming words against your hero and now you want to expand your comments to include other threads.
Hmm, well I’m sure somewhere along the line I attacked Pavel for his hype, who hasn’t? How many times can you listen to “comrade” before you just have to speak up? You even admitted that yourself (and I am going to turn you into the party for that:). Why don’t you use the search engine and see if you can come up with something else.
Funny how you are all for paying top dollar for supplements but not information… isnt that ironic…
You have that wrong (again). What my point is is that I am NOT for paying top dollar when you can get BETTER information for free. That’s why I recommended to the original poster to go with T-Nation over Pavel. Is that pretty clear?
No where did I state that I would not pay top dollar for quality information. And in fact I have a library of strength and training books which attest to the fact that I will pay top dollar.
There you go again, not paying attention to my posts (what am I going to do with you Chris? 
Someone even stated that they new his weight and you attempted to discredit it because of a video and implied his upper legs were big… Do you really think they are ‘big’ have you seen muscular upper legs?
“Someone” on an Internet message board stated something and it can’t be questioned? I don’t know if you have noticed this or not Chris, but much of what you read on the message boards in general is …well let’s say less than reliable.
And as far as the leg comment goes, most would think that I was paying Pavel a compliment. But you don’t seem satisfied when I do that. You don’t want me attacking him (for his marketing) and you don’t want me complimenting him.
You just have to make up your mind Chirs!
Seriously when someone claims to know something for certain and you discredit it and say they need to provide a link because your eyes tell you they must weigh 200 i would consider that making stuff up… or atleast lying to yourself… Check the pics
When “someone claims to know something.” On a message board…(If this keeps up I’m going to have to ask your age)LOL
A photo on the Internet…Chris you are starting to become a joke.
are the people in the pics roughly pavels size? remember they weigh between 168 and 185 and are taller than pavel
(Please someone tell me he is kidding…)
Well you see Chris someone on a tiny photo on the Internet who might weigh 195lbs. could very much look like they weigh 180lbs. And vice versa…
(Smiling) You see Chris tiny photo’s on the Interent do not give us a very reliable standard in which to determine weight and height.
(Someone shoot me for continuing this conversation-Just make it fast one shot in the head)
Dude as i stated earlier I dont even like pavel that much… but you stating that you know his weight from a video is just stupid…
And I will say again for you, I did not “know” his height and weight. I was guessing and asking for correction.
Let me give you some quotes (again) off the original posts which you claim you read, but for some reason did not undersand:
“Correct me if I’m wrong.”
“I was under the impression that he is 6’ 1”
“Again I’m only guessing at his height… and weight too for that matter.”
See that? You are wrong again! You need to quit while you are way way behind.
And Chris as far as you “not liking Pavel” well I think your cover has been blown comrade. Now get your butt over to pavel’s web site I think they are missing you…
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Holly shit. Zeb wake up to yourself, if you cant see that you were insisting on his weight and making false assertions by stating it several times despite having no proof and people actually stating that they knew to the contrary you are not worth my time…
If youve never seen Linford Christie in anything other than a small pic on the internet then you should crawl out from that rock youve been hiding under since prior to 1988…
seriously…
also no im not a fan of pavel… but i really detest you making up stuff about his weight to seemingly try to discredit him, its just stupid…
then you go on to selectively quote and misread what i post doing exactly what you accuse me of doing… this is just pointless now
also you want me to find stuff where you critique his ideas? do a search for your comments on pavel find them yourself… Youve posted lengthy criticisms of his high frequency low volume methods and why your methods are better
dont forget that Pavel is a former soviet special forces trainer, he had to train the spetznatz to be fast, strong, mobile and flexible, he utilised the deadlift and press for a function other than powerlifting, he also uses isometrics, calisthnics, does one arm chins and broad jumps, running and kettlebell training.
His methods are designed to be simple, safe and effective and aimed at soldiers, law enforcement agencies, boxers and MMA fighters and all round fitness enthusiasts rather than overweight men in tight clothes pushing heavy things for a job. Yes there are quicker ways of getting stronger but none as safe, effective and efficient as cycling and periodisation which pavel used in the forces and uses now. The strength demands of a soldier is different to a powerlifter, the spetznatz train double bodyweight squats, deadlfts and military presses almost every day.
Also i checked out a recent world powerlifting event and the russians won nearly every class so they must be doing something right.
Pavel’s PTTP book was written before 2000 I think and contains 2 basic programs:
2 sets of five reps for strength without size gains
Multiple sets of five for strength and size gains
Further it is written to be accessible to people buying their first weight set and using it in their basement. It only covers three lifts I recall. While the aim of the book is for the average guy to get stronger safely it contains many other ideas:
Using powerlifting techniques such as the benefit of low reps, tension techniques, back off and cycling of intensity, concentrating on full body workouts and compound exercises not split routines, free weights not machines, not training to failure etc, all of which are valid and not so common in articles of the time.
[quote]Chris Aus wrote:
Holly shit. Zeb wake up to yourself, if you cant see that you were insisting on his weight and making false assertions by stating it several times despite having no proof and people actually stating that they knew to the contrary you are not worth my time…
If youve never seen Linford Christie in anything other than a small pic on the internet then you should crawl out from that rock youve been hiding under since prior to 1988…
seriously…
also no im not a fan of pavel… but i really detest you making up stuff about his weight to seemingly try to discredit him, its just stupid…
then you go on to selectively quote and misread what i post doing exactly what you accuse me of doing… this is just pointless now
also you want me to find stuff where you critique his ideas? do a search for your comments on pavel find them yourself… Youve posted lengthy criticisms of his high frequency low volume methods and why your methods are better[/quote]
Chris you are having a very difficult time with this I can see. You either love Pavel in an unnatural way (you know you buy all of his books and have his photo on your wall). Or, you have a serious reading comprehension problem, or a little of both. I don’t know and I don’t really care.
I can live with either one.
I already posted my comments for you to read, I won’t do it again. As I think you were convinced of your mistaken assumption at one point.
In fact you stated on one of your more recent posts:
“Possibly he like I (refering to another poster who made a similar mistake) was guilty of reading too much…” (I assume you would have further stated “into it” had you been in total control of your senses, and not in a “Pavel mesmerized state.”)
Your new revelations are simply wrong. Go back and read my posts again if you are that interested. I know I’m not and I doubt anyone on this thread cares one way or the other.
As far as questioning Pavel, I’ll do it anytime I feel like it.
You see this is the Internet. And the same power that gives people like you the ability to change words around and draw nutty conclusions, also gives me the power to question big shot guru types like Pavel.
Seems fair…
If you don’t like it, I’m really sorry. I would much rather make you happy than the current stupor you are now in. But, life is like that some like you, some don’t.
If you want to further discuss this I suggest that you PM me. Drawing more attention to this asinine argument of yours helps you little, and is now only entertaining me slightly…
Oh…did I say that I would disagree with Pavel anytime I like? Yea…I guess I did…
Bye Chris
d,
PTP is 10-16 workouts in a cycle, not 10-16 weeks. Pavel is focused on staying lean and getting stronger, but his knowledge of many modalities is impressive. He wrote the Russian squat routine article in PLUSA, and a BP article that was fairly groundbreaking in the US, in that it espoused training a lift 4-5 times a week, way out there in a BB focused industry.
He competed at 181 in the Richmond AAU meet. I was there. I have huge respect because he showed and pulled, with not a lot of pulling work after some extensive bicep rehab.
Like a lot coaches, he has something for everybody, but he might not be your preference. i do know he opened my mind to the amount of volume i can handle drug free(BP and squat 4X a week, DL twice, plus KB prehab.and i train a lot of WSB)and helped me learn to release my hip flexors so i can arch beter in the BP.
Take him or leave him. Your call, depending on what your goals are, and what your preference is. Good to have more arrows in your training quiver.
jmo
jack
[quote]jackreape wrote:
d,
PTP is 10-16 workouts in a cycle, not 10-16 weeks. Pavel is focused on staying lean and getting stronger, but his knowledge of many modalities is impressive. He wrote the Russian squat routine article in PLUSA, and a BP article that was fairly groundbreaking in the US, in that it espoused training a lift 4-5 times a week, way out there in a BB focused industry.
He competed at 181 in the Richmond AAU meet. I was there. I have huge respect because he showed and pulled, with not a lot of pulling work after some extensive bicep rehab.
Like a lot coaches, he has something for everybody, but he might not be your preference. i do know he opened my mind to the amount of volume i can handle drug free(BP and squat 4X a week, DL twice, plus KB prehab.and i train a lot of WSB)and helped me learn to release my hip flexors so i can arch beter in the BP.
Take him or leave him. Your call, depending on what your goals are, and what your preference is. Good to have more arrows in your training quiver.
jmo
jack[/quote]
Excellent assessment!
I have many of pavels books and i have found them all to be very effective in helping me towards my training goals. Using his pttp workout i was able to work up to a double bodyweight deadlift, something that had previously eluded me no matter how hard i tried. I’ve also found his naked warrior book to be great for helping me prepare for my carrer in the airforce, the principles the book teaches can be used in many aspects of training. A lot of people talk shit with regards to training, but i find pavel gives simple, honest advice that works.
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