Depends on the results your after. If you want to be a great Powerlifter - Louie Simmons is in a class by himself. If you want to be an olympic lifter Dan John is great. If you Pavel’s results follow his program. It’s your goals that guide this decision. Good luck, jamej
Thank’s for all the input. I think I’m going to follow the T-Nation Authors, use a conjugated split, and do 1 exercise following Power to the people.
Thanks, Again
[quote]jamej wrote:
Depends on the results your after. If you want to be a great Powerlifter - Louie Simmons is in a class by himself. If you want to be an olympic lifter Dan John is great. If you Pavel’s results follow his program. It’s your goals that guide this decision. Good luck, jamej[/quote]
I hate to bring this up, but Louie is not in a class by himself. He’s a great guy and has done a lot for powerlifting, but what lifters have set world records in the IPF using his methods? Or even in non-multi ply gear?
Judge a coach by the athletes.
-Dan
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
jamej wrote:
Depends on the results your after. If you want to be a great Powerlifter - Louie Simmons is in a class by himself. If you want to be an olympic lifter Dan John is great. If you Pavel’s results follow his program. It’s your goals that guide this decision. Good luck, jamej
I hate to bring this up, but Louie is not in a class by himself. He’s a great guy and has done a lot for powerlifting, but what lifters have set world records in the IPF using his methods? Or even in non-multi ply gear?
Judge a coach by the athletes.
-Dan[/quote]
Damn the coach… I’ll judge his methods.
look at what Defranco or smith or coach x are doing with their athletes.
westside works, plain and simple.
Pavel weighs around 170lbs. In a recent competition he pulled close to 470lbs which is pretty good in my opinion. He doesn’t claim to have invented any of the ideas he writes about, he just presents them in an organised, understandable manner.
[quote]Psnatch wrote:
Pavel weighs around 170lbs. In a recent competition he pulled close to 470lbs which is pretty good in my opinion. He doesn’t claim to have invented any of the ideas he writes about, he just presents them in an organised, understandable manner.[/quote]
I was under the impression that he is 6’ 1" (and I could be quite wrong about that). If that is the case then he must weigh around 200lbs. Do you have any proof of your claim that he only weighs 170lbs. A web site link or something. I’m sure you believe it but is it true?
Also, was he Deadlifting 470lbs. in the clip above? As someone stated that it was considerably less.
I’ve done Waterbury’s Volume of Strength protocol for my squat. In one month I added twenty pounds to my 1RM. Not bad after years of training.
While VOS uses very frequent squat sessions and as such is simular to POTP, it also uses varying loads and reps which is unlike POTP.
You cannot beat knowing for sure by trying, but trust me, try the authors here first.
Rolo.
Why is it if you are 6’1" you have to weigh at least 185 lbs.? I am 6’1" and weigh 170 lbs. Are you referring just to Pavel and his build or everyone in general?
[quote]DPL wrote:
Why is it if you are 6’1" you have to weigh at least 185 lbs.? I am 6’1" and weigh 170 lbs. Are you referring just to Pavel and his build or everyone in general?[/quote]
Obviously, I’m talking just about Pavel. And again I am only guessing at his height…and weight too for that matter.
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Damn the coach… I’ll judge his methods.
look at what Defranco or smith or coach x are doing with their athletes.
westside works, plain and simple.[/quote]
They’re improving their athletes’ performance, sure, but not because they used “Westside” parameters - they may call it a modified Westside template, but what they’re doing is using speed work and limited maximal work as part of a wholistic athletic training system… I’d hardly call that Westside anymore.
As a point of note, Europeans won 8 of 9 weight classes at the recent IPF Worlds. None of them had ever heard of Westside methods (according to what a participating lifter told me).
That says something.
Remember, though, I have a lot of respect for Louie and the gang and think Westside methods are very good - they’re just not the best. They’re too limiting to be the best.
-Dan
This is not true, I know some great European WPO and IPF lifters in UK that incorporates a lot of westside principles. PM me for proof.
Also, westside is not a set method, you have to modify it for your needs. Many people who work out at westside don’t follow the standard template. Louie simmons do rougly 20 extra workouts a day while Chuck V never use the sled. You have to make westside work for you.
IMHO the core of westside is:
Conjugate Periodisation
Accomodating Resistance
GPP
Feel free to correct it if I’m wrong,
Fahd
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Psnatch wrote:
Pavel weighs around 170lbs. In a recent competition he pulled close to 470lbs which is pretty good in my opinion. He doesn’t claim to have invented any of the ideas he writes about, he just presents them in an organised, understandable manner.
I was under the impression that he is 6’ 1" (and I could be quite wrong about that). If that is the case then he must weigh around 200lbs. Do you have any proof of your claim that he only weighs 170lbs. A web site link or something. I’m sure you believe it but is it true?
Also, was he Deadlifting 470lbs. in the clip above? As someone stated that it was considerably less.
[/quote]
His recent post on another site was of his weight (181), and of his best dead (585).
[quote]wired wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Psnatch wrote:
Pavel weighs around 170lbs. In a recent competition he pulled close to 470lbs which is pretty good in my opinion. He doesn’t claim to have invented any of the ideas he writes about, he just presents them in an organised, understandable manner.
I was under the impression that he is 6’ 1" (and I could be quite wrong about that). If that is the case then he must weigh around 200lbs. Do you have any proof of your claim that he only weighs 170lbs. A web site link or something. I’m sure you believe it but is it true?
Also, was he Deadlifting 470lbs. in the clip above? As someone stated that it was considerably less.
His recent post on another site was of his weight (181), and of his best dead (585).
[/quote]
Now Pavels Deadlift is 585? Wow…that guy is getting stronger by the post!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
wired wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Psnatch wrote:
Pavel weighs around 170lbs. In a recent competition he pulled close to 470lbs which is pretty good in my opinion. He doesn’t claim to have invented any of the ideas he writes about, he just presents them in an organised, understandable manner.
I was under the impression that he is 6’ 1" (and I could be quite wrong about that). If that is the case then he must weigh around 200lbs. Do you have any proof of your claim that he only weighs 170lbs. A web site link or something. I’m sure you believe it but is it true?
Also, was he Deadlifting 470lbs. in the clip above? As someone stated that it was considerably less.
His recent post on another site was of his weight (181), and of his best dead (585).
Now Pavels Deadlift is 585? Wow…that guy is getting stronger by the post!
[/quote]
Lol. Never underestimate those “secret Russian tricks”…
Not that musch impressive. I weight around 185 and i’ve already deadlifted 585 with only 2 years of training so…
Jon
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Diesel_Rig wrote:
…would I be better to follow conjugated periodization, and such programs by Westside, Chad Watrbury, Christian Thibaudeau, and Charles Polquin?
Would appreciate some opinions.
Thanks.
Hmm let me think a moment. Should you follow Pavel’s programs or the teachings of the best strength coaches on T-Nation.
Okay, I have your answer: Follow the advice of the best strength coaches on T-Nation.
(No snide remarks about Pavel here folks-Just good common sense:)[/quote]
Common sense? Try to think outside the T-Nation box for a bit. Most of the greatest strength coaches in the world probably dont even speak English, much less post on this site, despite it being a great resource.
By that logic, no one should take advice from Dr. Hatfield instead of perhaps somebody who posted an article on T-Nation. Not that the people here arent qualified, but that doesnt make them more qualified than other experts in the field (and Pavel is one of the best strength coachs in the nation, not just the “T-Nation”.)
To answer the original post, I have used Pavel’s methods in strength training and stretching and seen better results than most “conventional” methods. His ways are another way to train, and I think that most serious people should look into his work. The prices are killer though.
My advice is to grab a copy of PTP. You can probably get it used from an online site for a good price. If you have any futher interest, I think Beyond Bodybuilding is the greatest text on lifting I have read, and something to definately check out down the road.
One of the wonderful things about Pavel’s work is that it isnt fluff. It is all solid information, and a lot of it is things you dont normally hear about.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Psnatch wrote:
Pavel weighs around 170lbs. In a recent competition he pulled close to 470lbs which is pretty good in my opinion. He doesn’t claim to have invented any of the ideas he writes about, he just presents them in an organised, understandable manner.
I was under the impression that he is 6’ 1" (and I could be quite wrong about that). If that is the case then he must weigh around 200lbs. Do you have any proof of your claim that he only weighs 170lbs. A web site link or something. I’m sure you believe it but is it true?
Also, was he Deadlifting 470lbs. in the clip above? As someone stated that it was considerably less.
[/quote]
why do you think he must way 200 pounds?
seriously why?
Im 6 foot and MUCH bigger and only 205…
he looks a good 30lbs lighter than me and im only 1 inch shorter
[quote]ZEB wrote:
DPL wrote:
Why is it if you are 6’1" you have to weigh at least 185 lbs.? I am 6’1" and weigh 170 lbs. Are you referring just to Pavel and his build or everyone in general?
Obviously, I’m talking just about Pavel. And again I am only guessing at his height…and weight too for that matter.[/quote]
you should probably stop then
this guy is 6’2" and 175
http://images.sportsnetwork.com/boxing/getty/men/2004/tarver_antonio3.jpg
this guy is 6’1 and 168 lbs (on the left with the tattoo)
http://www.planetboxe.com/ImagesPuces/0605/KesslerMundine.jpg
Ali was 6’3" and 197 yes ONE hundred and ninety seven in this picture
http://www.lequipe.fr/Xml/Aussi/Dossiers/Media/ali_spinks.jpg
anyone know linford christies height and weight?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Now Pavels Deadlift is 585? Wow…that guy is getting stronger by the post!
His ‘Best’ dead is 585lbs, back in the 90’s.