Like shit. Like I wanted to not feel this way and the protocol was wrong and I want instant gratification. After 6 months of changing shit too early and taking anastrozole I gave up and let it ride. 8 weeks and I was feeling good, then great. It sucks I get it. I feel for you but you have to man up and wait. Stay busy and keep your mind right it only gets better. Some say 6 weeks is the turning point for them but for me it’s more like 8.
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I will try that. So your estradiol sits at 77.6 all the time and you feel no negative symptoms from this?
I’m too jacked and tan and my girlfriend only let’s me have sex twice a day. Other than that it’s fine.
Haha sounds like its going well. It just seems strange considering how so many others seem to feel bad when estrogen is even slightly elevated. The nausea and lightheadedness are what is killing me right now. I also have some wicked brain fog. I am panicking more than usual because the mental effects of this are so awful and I just don’t want to lose my job because I can’t think. Right now simple tasks are fairly difficult, it feels as if some invisible wall is blocking half my thoughts.
Remember when you started working out and you were weak and embarrassed that smaller guys were lifting more weight than you and you got so sore that you walked like a duck? Then after 6 weeks of shit you looked in the mirror and out of no where you start seeing some results? Then a month after that you feel like killing it on the gym and can’t wait to go back? Same thing with TRT. Right now you are doing your second leg day and your whole body aches but you haven’t seen the results yet so it’s harder to keep going back. Stick with it and you’ll get results. Just takes time.
I will try to remember that analogy. Thank you and @enackers by the way for taking the time to offer the advice. The thought process that these hormonal changes causes is insane. Test needs to come with a warning for those that are just starting out imo because just when I think I have everything under control I start injecting T and it all goes to shit. Trying my best to ride it out and I will post my labs once I get the results in.
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Lab results really can’t come fast enough, latest problem is a sinking feeling in my chest that lasts all day. It gets much worse in the mornings and this morning I woke up with my heart racing. Heart beat feels weak and fast. This is driving me crazy. Feel like death and this does not feel pleasant whatsoever.
When I’m low E2, I feel like my heart is more weak. More palpitations.
I think I mentioned this, but a weak feeling in the heart can be low bp, which can be from dehydration.
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Not sure if you mentioned this but are you on any medications and what’s your history with anxiety and etc?
How much dose are you on and how long have you been on it. you recently dropped the ai and very well could have low estrogen.
Are you peeing a ton after drinking jsut a little water? Are you sweating for no reason?
Any other medications or supplements?
I don’t think I am dehydrated as I have been drinking Gatorade/water fairly regularly. I do have a history with anxiety but it was totally under control with almost 0 panic attacks for a year before TRT. I am now taking clonazepam as needed, no other medications besides that and test. I started at 18mg daily, skipped maybe 3 days about two weeks in and then started back on 16mg daily. I am not taking any AI. I don’t seem to be peeing more than usual. I am getting sweaty on and off.
Overall though I just feel sick. Extremely nauseous and lightheaded. And my chest feels like it does when it “sinks”. Like when you have a relative who has been sick for a while and someone mentions their name and your heart drops in your chest because you think maybe something happened to them. But it feels like that all day long. It is even worse in the mornings when I first wake up. I get that feeling plus my heart races and I get the feeling of impending doom. Before TRT I was more aware of my heartbeat, i.e. I could feel it pump just sitting down and could feel it if I put my hand on my chest. Like a strong, normal heartbeat. Since about two weeks into TRT it’s as though I can’t feel my pulse at all unless I feel my carotid. My heartbeat feels “weak”. Almost like If I quit moving it will just slow down and stop. However my pulse remains around 75-80 and then jumps to 90-100 any time any time I start moving around.
Should get labs back today or maybe Monday? I’m wondering if it isn’t thyroid related… I have read that if you have an under active thyroid that TRT can cause it to drop lower. Maybe the testosterone is demanding more from the thyroid and the thyroid can’t provide it, so my body pumps out epinephrine/norepinephrine to compensate?
I’m still sticking it out whether it kills me or not but it just feels like something sinister is going on in my body. I understand feeling bad when starting but I feel worse and worse. So tired all day long and just flu-like clamminess and sweating constantly. All of which I can deal with but the heart dropping feeling is awful and it’s consuming my life at the moment
You sound like you hve something else going on. These symptoms sound like they could be low estrogen. High estrogen doesn’t cause this.
Heart rates going to jump when you move around.
Mentally I think you are causing some of this to be more extreme, but not all of it’s in your head.
You need to go get BP checked and anything else the doc suggests. I would do that ASAP.
If I were you I would wait till Monday and we will help you understand labs.
Yes thyroid can be a bitch to deal with. I had all types of issues until I was optimized on thyroid.
What’s TSH?
kinda what I was thinking too
I am headed to the doctor on Monday. Supposedly a really good one referred to on stopthethyroidmadness so I hope he can shed some light. I should have lab work by then as well. Pre-TRT TSH was around 2.2 if I remember right. I’ve never seen it below 2 and it has been as high as 3.1 before. I will get blood pressure done Monday as well. Or I will use my monitor once I catch this flight home today.
Ok let us know. Go drink a few beers or several and kick that estrogen up. See if you feel better. After the hang over… Ok just playing.
Lol I’m not touching anything until I get labs. This weekend has been rough. I don’t have energy for anything and I’m still oversleeping. It’s hard for me to fall asleep and hard to get up. I feel lightheaded all the time and overall depressed. Even on metoprolol it feels like my heart is trying to get a little racy on me. I feel dizzy even laying down, as though I’m just going to fall through my bed.
I’m particularly interested in seeing my aldosterone and cortisol results. I am hoping they are not an issue because it seems hard to get doctors to treat any of this. Still no labs, hopefully I get them back before my doctors visit tomorrow
I’ve heard some say the difference between cypionate and enanthate being the latter is for a lack of a better would less of a kick to it, men have said they feel less pumped on it. The cypionate has more kick to it, I for one can confirm I need more enanthate to get the same effect as on cypionate, my levels dropped going from 7mg cypionate to 7mg enanthate.
He’s at the 1 month mark on TRT. He’s got a few more weeks to get through until he feels better unless he changes shit and resets the clock in which this thread will be 300 posts instead of 150.
I just got my e2 level back, it’s 32.5, range is 8-35
Yeah I had a feeling there wasn’t as much of a kick to enanthate but I’m sure it gets the job done all the same.
I’m just waiting on more tests from my “internal medicine specialist” he has referred me a sexual health clinic, not sure If anything will come of it but it is good to see of there is any underlying problem before I start I suppose.
I think I already know your opinion however what do you think of the specialist saying that testosterone wouldnt benefit me? says my brain is still sending messages to my boys to produce test fsh and lh so there is no problem lol. However the last blood test I got my test came back at 365, and he wouldn’t say what LH or FSH was but I’m guessing would be low as well.
I think he is going to cause problems for me in getting this prescribed through my gp now that I think about it. Shouldn’t have went to him in the first place I guess. Lol.
Range is based on a sick population of men. Check out discounted labs table. Has some info I don’t agree with, but it talks about where e2 ranges were derived. It also shows total t was once 1500 on lab ranges.
This is why we always say that the new 900 or 1k ranges of T are based on a sick population. Total t levels do not change: what changes is how much t we have naturally. We should be shocked that a professional would report men have lower t today than decades past, and then have the audacity to say these are the new normal lab ranges.