[quote]Professor X wrote:
Let me just add that listening to inexperienced lay people talk this much about the CNS when they really don’t understand the concept is actually painful to me. It hurts. I think I’m bleeding now.[/quote]
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Those should help, just plug them into your ears 
If your not an athlete in season, just prior to season, or a complete newb forget TBT.
[quote]Boycedog wrote:
Yes it does work. It is very effective for bulking as you stimulate more muscle mass in every workout, produce more testosterone and also makes you hungry all the time so leads to greater weight gain. [/quote]
Lifting weights if you haven’t done so before will make you grow for a very limited period of time, in some cases.
Bodypart splits are the route to follow if you want to get big, and im talking in a BB’ing sense. Show me a guy who got “BIG” doinf TBT and I’ll show you a guy who got BIGGER doing split routines.
No offense man, and I hate to resort to this, but I’m 80 Freakin pounds heavier than you with a 35 inch waist, and guss what I did for the past 2 years??? BODYPART SPLITS
And throw that Testosterone nonsense out the window man… Unless you’re chugging anaconda or eating a chicken wing between each set, You grow when you EAT and when you SLEEP.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
Cocaine stimulates the CNS pretty effectively. It’s not very effective at building muscle. Maybe worrying about the CNS should be put on the back burner for a while. Maybe, just maybe, there are other factors in play here…
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Bro,
Haven’t you heard? It’s ALL about the CNS.
OP,
How are your adrenals?[/quote]
I see what you did there < bit slow on the uptake.
Where is dankid during all this?
Eating humble pie.
Just wanted to say thanks for those who kicked some love my way on this thread…as for my own opinions–I think BOTH ways will work for anybody.
To be completely honest, I think gaining muscle/strength has more to do with the intensity of your work and pushing your body through its own pre-conceived limits and beating your log book every single workout–more so than finding “the perfect routine”.
I would be willing to bet that most of the people completely devoted to TBT have never given splits enough of a chance/time/effort to really see how their body would respond and vice versa. Close mindedness like that or coach man-loving/obsession type of behavior is what holds a lot of guys back…
My advise would be to spend less time reading arguments on the web and get out there and spend some more time under the bar. Get your diet and recovery in order and find out for yourself what works for you personally. everyone responds to stimuli differently. Stop trying to be someone else and find out who you are and what makes you grow.
All of the guys on these boards that are big and strong and smart all got that way by putting the time and discipline into their training…Not by becoming such and internet experts that they grow to be training impotent. Most are not “genetic freaks” they are “genetically willing to do more, push harder, and sacrifice greater than most”.
I may be in the minority around here, (I never claimed to be a bodybuilder though) but TBT has made me bigger, stronger and faster than splits…it is just what my body responds to. There are plenty of other big guys around here that splits work better for.
But what all of the good physiques around here have in common is time spent sweating their balls off, eating what they are supposed to, and recovering in a way that works for them. And a lot of them have been at this game for as long as some of you have been alive!
Spend more time doing those things and less time arguing online and i guarantee you be getting closer to your goals…
just my .02
[quote]Alpha wrote:
Just wanted to say thanks for those who kicked some love my way on this thread…as for my own opinions–I think BOTH ways will work for anybody.
To be completely honest, I think gaining muscle/strength has more to do with the intensity of your work and pushing your body through its own pre-conceived limits and beating your log book every single workout–more so than finding “the perfect routine”.
I would be willing to bet that most of the people completely devoted to TBT have never given splits enough of a chance/time/effort to really see how their body would respond and vice versa. Close mindedness like that or coach man-loving/obsession type of behavior is what holds a lot of guys back…
My advise would be to spend less time reading arguments on the web and get out there and spend some more time under the bar. Get your diet and recovery in order and find out for yourself what works for you personally. everyone responds to stimuli differently. Stop trying to be someone else and find out who you are and what makes you grow.
All of the guys on these boards that are big and strong and smart all got that way by putting the time and discipline into their training…Not by becoming such and internet experts that they grow to be training impotent. Most are not “genetic freaks” they are “genetically willing to do more, push harder, and sacrifice greater than most”.
I may be in the minority around here, (I never claimed to be a bodybuilder though) but TBT has made me bigger, stronger and faster than splits…it is just what my body responds to. There are plenty of other big guys around here that splits work better for.
But what all of the good physiques around here have in common is time spent sweating their balls off, eating what they are supposed to, and recovering in a way that works for them. And a lot of them have been at this game for as long as some of you have been alive!
Spend more time doing those things and less time arguing online and i guarantee you be getting closer to your goals…
just my .02 [/quote]
Alpha, good stuff. Your training logs were always inspirational. Did you mention at one point that your were putting training vids on youtube? Or am I mistaken?
[quote]Alpha wrote:
(I never claimed to be a bodybuilder though) [/quote]
…and that is really the defining issue. You could use more work on your upper chest and front delts…if you even cared about such things…which IS the difference we keep talking about.
Not one person here who is really big ever wrote that TBT does not allow someone to gain muscle mass. the issue from the start has been WHEN BALANCED DEVELOPMENT IS A MAJOR ISSUE, BODY PART SPLITS ALLOW THIS BETTER THAN SOME FULL BODY MOVEMENT.
This has been proven correct over decades and the only people who seem to be arguing otherwise…are guys who never got big.
Other than that, I agree with the rest of what you wrote. Genetics are NOT what is holding most of these people back.
giterdone: Yeah man i put up some vids on youtube a while back (Just search AlphaTnation over there) but haven’t put up anything new for a while because i am training a good bit differently for right now because i have some new goals i am pursuing…
Prof X: Man, you know for it is not about how I look, it’s how I perform. But your comment has been noted and I agree.
[quote]Alpha wrote:
giterdone: Yeah man i put up some vids on youtube a while back (Just search AlphaTnation over there) but haven’t put up anything new for a while because i am training a good bit differently for right now because i have some new goals i am pursuing…
Prof X: Man, you know for it is not about how I look, it’s how I perform. But your comment has been noted and I agree. [/quote]
I know. I know what you train for and why you train the way you do…but many of these newbs will either ignore that or think it isn’t important simply because all they see is that you are bigger than they are.
There is a reason no serious bodybuilders would use TBT as the basis of all of their training especially with some of the 3 day a week crap I see here often.
If you ignore lagging areas long enough, they add up to potentially serious issues that could include injury when training at the worst and simply looking imbalanced at the least.
I do believe one of the primary causes of hamstring pulls and tears is overdevelopment of the quads.
X
What are your thoughts on an upper/lower split 3X/week. Enough frequency and its easy to adjust lagging muscle groups within the individual workouts…
X
What do you think of upper/lower splits both 3X/week. You can adjust lagging muscles within the workouts…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Alpha wrote:
giterdone: Yeah man i put up some vids on youtube a while back (Just search AlphaTnation over there) but haven’t put up anything new for a while because i am training a good bit differently for right now because i have some new goals i am pursuing…
Prof X: Man, you know for it is not about how I look, it’s how I perform. But your comment has been noted and I agree. [/quote]
I know. I know what you train for and why you train the way you do…but many of these newbs will either ignore that or think it isn’t important simply because all they see is that you are bigger than they are.
There is a reason no serious bodybuilders would use TBT as the basis of all of their training especially with some of the 3 day a week crap I see here often.
If you ignore lagging areas long enough, they add up to potentially serious issues that could include injury when training at the worst and simply looking imbalanced at the least.
I do believe one of the primary causes of hamstring pulls and tears is overdevelopment of the quads.[/quote]
Yeah, Isn’t alpha a genetically mutated terrorist ass kicker? Talk about genetics…
Ill give my .02. Been doing TBT for a few months now (NROL and Waterbury’s TBT). Was my first program as a beginner. I think that TBT is good for beginners to give them a good foundation in the lifts and also helped my drop some serious fat, but when it comes to hypertrophy or strength, it just doesn’t work (for me, and I think most people). After a set of heavy squats/bench/deads/etc., I can’t handle 3-5 more compound movements. TBT is a recipe for serious fatigue that keeps you from lifting at your best/heaviest.
5/3/1 here I come, ready to focus on one big lift a day with some focused accessory work.
[quote]Alpha wrote:
Prof X: Man, you know for it is not about how I look, it’s how I perform. [/quote]
Are you training for something outside the gym? What is it?
EDIT:
Nevermind. I found your thread.